I think you do not get the main point. You think Trump will be killed by Illuminati. You think Illuminati can do what ever they want. But that will not happen in my opinion because I see Donald to be a part of the Bible prophecy, that is why he is gaining power. And what is determined to happen in God's word nobody can change.
Oh, OK, now I see, Trump getting elected is Jehovah's will. Your right, I did miss that technicality.
The disintegration of an empire. That is what this election is about, however you fall on the issues.
There is a PBS documentary in which one publicist said, “Donald Trump is a showman, a Ring Master!” Trump doesn’t believe Franklin D. Roosevelt’s statement, “Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth.” Trump believes the opposite. He learned his lessons from Lenin; “A lie told often enough becomes the truth”. Yes, Trump is a true Ring Master and he is putting on quite a Circus. Here is a link to the PBS program. Make sure your “cookies” are on. Select a station, This is from KQED in San Francisco. It runs 1 hour and 55 minutes. It is exceptionally remarkable. http://www.pbs.org/video/2365848966/
Although it's hard to argue with your comment about Trump Tsaphah, I think compared to Hillary, Trump is in the minor leagues. Hillary is doing her post, post PhD work in obfuscating the truth. As a person who meets many of the criteria for anti-social personality disorder, Hillary is not capable of telling the truth unless it is to cover another of her lies. Like I said to my brother the other day, this was a debate between someone who lies really well and someone who lying comes to quite naturally. At least we know that everything they say is a lie.
Frank, When it comes to politics, my vote is to give all of them hemlock. So, here are a few of my favorite quotes. “Since a politician never believes what he says, he is quite surprised to be taken at his word.” Charles De Gaulle “Ninety percent of the politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation.” Henry Kissinger “If God had wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates.” Jay Leno
I just found out that Donald Trump will on the presidential Inauguration Day on January 20, 2017 be on his 70th year, 7th month and 7th day. Will he take it as a "divine" sign and imagine he is divine?
Jan, you are now 50% closer to being right I didn't think it was possible, the media was on full-scale warfare against Trump, and propping up Hillary. Could Trump heal the impending financial death-stroke?
You see SingleCell, when you believe the scriptures you could even know the outcome of this election. You see I am a simple man, I have no elabotate website and I could tell how this will end. Hopefully sooner than later those who are last will become first as Jesus said. Now if I tell the next things and dates when something should happen I will again me mocked until it really happens again. We have the scriptures and they say that God reveals to his prophets in advance what will happen. It is already written there, you just need to understand what it says, thanks to God's guidance. Actually you have been the most polite to me here.
Well, with a 50/50 shot, it was a coin toss as to who would win the election, but as to being prophesied in the text, now that is a whole other debate.
Joshua, don't forget there were 17 Republican candidates and 3 democratic candidates. And as soon I heard that Donald Trump would run for office I understood that he is the prophecied king with fierce countenance/firece looking king. Actually you don't need to be especially gifted to fit that scripture to Donald Trump. You seemingly just have to accept it. Or really God's spirit needs to help you accept what you see. Now I am quite glad that I told everyone everywhere that Donald Trump would become president since the summer last year. Now some people have been quite amazed by Bible prophecy at my work place for example. I will soon speak with relatives whom I explained bible prophecy about this more than a year ago, and it will be interesting to see their reaction. Yeah I had lot of fun at work today.
But there is an other prophecy that might have its fulfilment in USA. The death stroke to one of the heads of the 7 headed beast. If that is USA, then there could be some delay or hinderence to the begining of Trump's presidency. But surely sooner or later he will really take office and rule as the fierce-looking king. And the smal horn with eyes and mouth speaking arrogantly. And the beast that with blaspheme.
I don't question your enthusiasm nor your faith, I just offer you an air of caution, not only to yourself, but to those you speak too. Let me remind you of comments back on this thread; (Tsaphah) "Let’s say, “Once and for All”, there is no: “The Antichrist”, speaking of ONE individual. “Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.” ( 1 Joh 2:18 NASB ) Another translation directly from the Codex Sinaiticus: “Little children, it is the last time, and as you heard that antichrist comes, even now many antichrists have risen: whence we know that it is the last time.” ( 1 Joh 2:18 NASB ) This statement is followed by: “They went out from us, but were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but that they might be made manifest that they are all not of us.” (1 Joh 2:19 Codex Sinaiticus ) In the plural indicating more than One. John says, “even now many antichrists have appeared”, indicating that back in the first century, soon after the resurrection of Jesus Christ, there were “many antichrists”. How were they identified? “Who is the liar, but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist that denies the Father and the Son.” ( 1 Joh 2:22 Codex Sinaiticus ) This Greek word, antichristos (an-tee'-khris-tos) is only used by John. Anti = against, opposite, opposed, + christos (Christ) = anointed, chosen. The only place it appears in the bible is in the first and second letters written by John. It is used 3 times in 1 John, and one time in 2 John. “For many deceivers have gone out into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh: this is the deceiver and the antichrist.” ( 2 Joh 1:7 Codex Sinaiticus ) This word, antichristos, does not appear in Revelation, or anywhere else in the bible. It is not any of the beasts, it’s not some single ignoble person! It is anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ, that he came in the flesh, was killed and put in a tomb, and was resurrected to life again. He lives again as the second most powerful person in creation. He will rule the New Heavens and Earth." (Joshuastone7) "Many on our forum here, as well as others connect the Antichrist of Revelation with the "son of destruction" of 2Th 2 as if it is common sense these two are the same, I am not so sure, and would like to discuss it. We know many false prophets will arise in the "last hour", whether we are talking about just before 70CE or in our future, or both, that is irrelevant to my post, but is this Antichrist as mentioned in Rev the same as the son of destruction of 2Th 2? “For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will perform great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones.” Mth 24:24 I believe many associate these "great signs" back to the Antichrist mentioned in Rev 13 and the signs it is permitted to preform. “And it performs great signs, even making fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the sight of mankind.” Rev 13:13 Is it the case that since many false prophets will perform great signs just as the Antichrist is described mean they are the same? Besides, does not the prophecy say "many false prophets and not just a singular man? Can it not be said that this is in fact an idea of denying the Christ and not just one man and that it takes on many forms? What about the teaching of Evolution, does it not deny Christ? What about all those religions that do so, people, atheists, do they not all deny Christ originates from God? False prophets brought in sects and diversions into the early congregations such as what John was speaking of; “For first of all, I hear that when you come together in a congregation, divisions exist among you; and to an extent I believe it. For there will certainly also be sects among you, so that those of you who are approved may also become evident.” 1Cor 11:18,19 These sects are allowed so that those who are approved will be made manifest, but still, do those who cause divisions and sects as false prophets qualify them as the Antichrist of Rev 13, or are we talking about an idea here, a cancer within the truth and not a singular person? “I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among you and will not treat the flock with tenderness, and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves.” Acts 20:29,30 Again above, an idea has penetrated the early congregations, a cancer. Now let's look at Johns words here; “Young children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared, from which fact we know that it is the last hour.” 1Jhn 2:18 John connects the word "Antichrist" to these ones in the first century who were causing division, but was this a singular person? No, in fact John says there were many, at least in his day. But again, does that mean there would be a singular man in the last hour whom this represents, whether that be in Johns last hour, or ours? John certainly didn't mean a singular man in his last hour. So, how did John define the "Antichrist"? “But every inspired statement that does not acknowledge Jesus does not originate with God. Furthermore, this is the antichrist’s inspired statement that you have heard was coming,and now it is already in the world.” 1Jhn 4:3 "For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist." 2Jhn 1:7 Many do this today, just as I've mentioned, the teaching of evolution, atheists, etc... Even the trinity itself can be seen as the Antichrist. If you deny Jesus, or say Jesus came as a God not as a man, you could say the trinity denies Jesus came in the flesh. In like manner, this denying Jesus can take many forms, and this is the identifying factor of the Antichrist, of which there were many, going back to Johns day. Now how about the "son of destruction" in 2Th 2? “because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.” 2Th 2:3 This "man of lawlessness" is described as "the son of destruction". This term is found only one other place in scripture; “When I was with them, I used to watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me; and I have protected them, and not one of them is destroyed except the son of destruction, so that the scripture might be fulfilled.” Jhn 17:12 Now Judas was a close associate of Christ Jesus and his brothers, being one of the original twelve, but does 2Th 2 say the son of destruction denies Jesus originates with God? No, it says he is part of the "lawlessness". Does this connect him to the Antichrist? I don't think so, it's at that point you have to connect the "signs" mentioned and then you are two steps out from a true connection. I don't believe the word "sign" is enough to connect these two, let alone lawlessness vs denying Christ originates with God. Yes the false prophets had begun to creep in, and the lawlessness had already begun to show itself in the first century; “True, the mystery of this lawlessness is already at work,” 2Th 2:7 But there is one thing that is very important to remember about Rev 13. The beasts in that chapter take us directly to Dan 7 and the beasts in that book. It can be very strongly argued that these two chapters are 1:1 with the second beast in Rev 13 representing the fierce beast and little horn of Dan 7. Therefore we are talking about governments, not individual men. Yes men run these governments, but the Antichrist is a government. We know this Antichrist will shout blasphemous words toward God's people, just as shown in Rev 13 but of those in Dan 7, 8 and 11. But does this make the Antichrist a singular individual, or a government that as a collective denies Christ, not only by its internal beliefs but also by it's coming against Gods people and blaspheming his name? To deny Christ, and to deny he came in the flesh could be any number of things, and in my opinion does not need a singular man, for it is a government that comes against Gods people. To me (and again, this is my opinion) this all still verifies that the little horn in that of the Holy See is the Antichrist that comes against Gods people blaspheming his name, and they are the culmination of the definition of denying Christ originates with God, because the trinity teaches Christ is God and had no beginning, and that Christ came as a God, not flesh, therefore could not sin."
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I'm not so sure the scriptures and precedent are so clear about there not being "one, ultimate" anti-christ. 1 John 2:18, there are two words for anti-christ. antichristos - "the antichrist" antichristoi - "multiple antichrists" I don't know the mechanics of Koine Greek, but isn't that plural vs singular, or perhaps proper noun vs noun? On top of this, it's come down to one guy throughout the history of Israel historically and prophetically. - Nebuchadnezzar - Antiochus Epiphanes IV - Alexander the Great - Cyrus the Great I could go either way on this honestly; I see no reason to discount one unifying leader pulling everyone into worship of the beast system. Seems very Bond Villain-ish ... which makes me WANT to discount it. ----------- IF it were one person, I doubt it's actually Trump; but, he has said some blasphemous statements off-the-cuff. (hinting at a mindset) - "have you repented to God" - someone "I have nothing to be forgiven for" - Donald -"God it's cold in here" - someone "You can call me Donald" - Donald ---------- The hairy male goat stands for the king of Greece; and the great horn that was between its eyes stands for the first king. 22 As for the horn that was broken, so that four stood up instead of it, - Daniel 7:21-22a It's either "Alexander" as the horn.... (e.g. 1 horn can be a single human) OR It's the hairy male goat = Kingdom of Greece great horn = the first segment of their history up to the death of Alexander, and split into 4 states To throw another wrench into the mix, Alexander's 4 generals (single humans) created those 4 states. Muddy waters! (still, doubt Trump has anything to do with prophecy... he's a joker, I get why some people like him ... but he's no spiritual inspiring ... anything)
The following shows that history repeats itself over the ages. Jehovah’s wisdom holds true. These especially aim at the New President elect, of the USA. “Hatred is what stirs up contentions, but love covers over even all transgressions.” Pr 10:12 NWT) “Where there is one covering over hatred there are lips of falsehood, and the one bringing forth a bad report is stupid.” (Pr 10:18 NWT) “To the stupid one the carrying on of loose conduct is like sport but wisdom is for the man of discernment.” (Pr 10:34 NWT) For those that voted for change. “My son, fear thou Jehovah and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change: For their calamity shall rise suddenly; and who knoweth the ruin of them both? These things also belong to the wise. It is not good to have respect of persons in judgment. He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him: But to them that rebuke him shall be delight, and a good blessing shall come upon them.” (Pr 24:21-25 DNKJB )