“My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

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    I have always wondered about Jesus's words when being sacrificed. I've heard a lot of differing understandings of why he said what he did, including an Elder once telling me Jesus felt Jehovah remove his Spirit from him at the last moment that he might be fully tested, but I have to say that never made sense.

    Here is the text in question, as it is read in Mathew;

    Mth 27:46 "About the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: “Eʹli,Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

    What our Lord was actually doing was quoting Psm 22;

    Psm 22:1 "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

    It is comforting to me when I think that our Lord was quoting scripture even in the last moments of his life, and it's helpful going back to that chapter in Psm to understand why he was quoting it.

    Psm 22 is a song of peril, of anguish, in which our Lord inspired centuries before he suffered them, and although included are expressions of his suffering, this chapter includes praises to our Father as well.

    Psm 22:3 "But you are holy, Surrounded by the praises of Israel."

    Discussed within as well, details of our Lords suffering indignation;

    Psm 22:6,7 "But I am a worm and not a man, Scorned by men and despised by the people. All those seeing me mock me; They sneer and shake their heads in derision:"

    As well, there were prophecies fulfilled in this chapter, at our Lords sacrifice;

    Psm 22:8 "He entrusted himself to Jehovah. Let Him rescue him! Let Him save him, for he is so dear to Him!”

    Mth 27:41,42 "In the same way also, the chief priests with the scribes and the elders began mocking him, saying: “Others he saved; himself he cannot save! He is King of Israel; let him now come down off the torture stake, and we will believe in him."

    Our Lord knew his suffering before hand, and his quoting Psm 22 reminds us of the details of that event;

    Psm 22:14,15 "I am poured out like water; All my bones are out of joint. My heart has become like wax; It melts deep within me. My strength has dried up like a piece of pottery; My tongue sticks to my gums; You are bringing me down to the dust of death."

    Psm 22:17 "I can count all my bones. They look on and stare at me."

    And further prophetic fulfillment;

    Psm 22:18 "They divide my garments among themselves, And they cast lots for my clothing."

    Mth 27:35 "When they had nailed him to the stake, they distributed his outer garments by casting lots."

    And by our Lord offering up his perfect life in behalf of us we are reminded that he was successful and all mankind has the ability to be forgiven and offered eternal life.

    Psm 22:27 "All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to Jehovah. All the families of the nations will bow down before you."

    It is my impression that our Lord quoted the first line of Psm 22 to denote the entire chapter, and all included within, and I invite everyone the next time this comes to mind to look through that chapter and be reminded of our Lords sacrifice for us all...
     
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    I always heard that explanation. I think it is the official Watchtower's teaching.
     
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    Same.

    I really enjoyed this post, thanks. :)
     
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    A good subject.

    I believe Jesus had been hanging onto life to give a better witness to all the Jews and his followers in particular that we need to endure trials. But after enough time hanging up there, and being faithful, God helped him to finally 'give up the ghost', as some old timer's say...in other words,

    "OK, son, enough is enough now, ...let it go." And with that, Father Jehovah pulls the spirit away to let Jesus know, ...give in, and sleep.

    Many dying , will hang onto life in persistent desperation. But family will try to ease them into sleep of death, knowing further struggle is futile.

    Jesus, no doubt was barely lucid at that point, and was persisting in, "staying faithful unto death." But the sacrifices were successful, and his integrity proven; time to go, and pulling his spirit, God sent him the clear message, although near death, Jesus was confused as to why, like he was being abandoned.
     
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    Can you tell me where you find this in the text, where you read Jehovah removed Spirit from Jesus?

    Again, can you tell me where you read Jehovah pulled Spirit from Jesus in the text?

    Jesus was confused and abandoned, even though he was quoting Psm 22?
     
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    I never stopped to think about Jesus' words from this angle.
     
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    I didn't know it was their teaching. But I concluded this as well. I assumed it was a surprise to Jesus, because Jehovah never told him he would take the holy Spirit away from him and when he prayed to him after having felt the spirit leave, he only heard silence.
     
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    Hey brother...

    Just like I asked John S, could you tell me where you read Jehovah removed spirit from Jesus? Where you read that in the text?
     
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    I didn't, I assumed.
     
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    I'm with ya, because I thought for years the societies understanding was accurate, there was never any reason to question it, but as I get closer to understanding our Lord it becomes more clear that some of what I had been told be the Watchtower isn't necessarily as accurate as they would like us to think... ;)

    Agape brother...
     
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    Beautiful post brother, I will remember it and Psalm 22 forever!
     
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