1944 Happy Birthday Governing Body!

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    1944 GB Birthday

    The CSI: Bethel Post 1944 Forensics of the Governing Body Scene of Their Crime

    1. Firstly, the "governing body" is the same "governing" entity Christendom "boards", "synods" and "councils" have used for centuries. Christendom clergies are defined by top down hierarchies ruled by their own "Governing Body" versions. It is nothing unique, but the same, in Jehovah's witnesses of today:

    Pulpit Commentary (Acts 15:2)

    ""The apostles and elders. This phrase marks the constitution of the governing part of the Church of Jerusalem.""

    Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges (Acts 15:2)

    ""These with the elders appear now as the governing body of the infant church.""

    2. And the term "governing body" was only first uttered at Bethel in 1944:

    *** Watchtower 1971 12/15 pp. 755-756 A Governing Body as Different from a Legal Corporation ***

    ""The official magazine of Jehovah’s Christian witnesses is The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom. In the year 1944 the Watchtower magazine BEGAN TO SPEAK about the governing body of the Christian congregation.""

    1944-1990 Governing Body of Gradual Apostasy

    Now let's trace some examples of this budding Bethel "Governing Body" version of the first cell of subversion, from the 1940s all the way to the UN NGO of the 1990s:

    *** Let God Be True 1946; ch. 17 ***

    ""In 1884 the legal servant body of this international association was incorporated under Pennsylvania law. That non-profit corporation, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, and the governing body of Jehovah's witnesses have been inseparably associated ever since.""

    *** Theocratic Aid To Kingdom Publishers 1945 p. 299 Lesson 76 ***

    The Rise of the Roman Catholic Hierarchy

    ""The organization and development of the Roman Catholic Hierarchy dates from the time of the launching of fusion religion by the Roman emperor Constantine in A.D. 325. It does not date from nor have its source in the original governing body of the apostles. All such claims to apostolic succession and origin are false, and the Hierarchy's structure is grossly contrary to the original Theocratic organization as established by Christ Jesus.""

    *** Organizations Instructions For the Kingdom Publisher Effective October 1, 1945 ***

    ""For dispensing this knowledge to the spiritually hungry ones Christ Jesus, on coming to the temple for judgment in 1918, appointed a tried "faithful and wise servant". (Matt. 24: 45-47) This servant is "The Society", that is to say, the association of all the remnant of Christ's anointed body members, which association acts through its visible governing body under Christ Jesus, the Head of the "servant" or "Society". The Society is Theocratic, because subject to its Head Christ Jesus and guided by the spirit which Jehovah God poured out upon it by Christ Jesus, and also because it acts and decides through its visible governing body. (Col. 1:18; Acts 2: 17, 18) The Society is the visible part of Jehovah's Theocratic organization under Christ Jesus, and the Lord's "other sheep" take refuge under that Theocratic organization and are subject to it. They assist in the work of the visible part of the organization, in proper submission thereto. (Isa. 61: 5, 6) Recognizing the forward movement of Jehovah's Theocratic organization, his faithful servants upon the earth want to keep apace with it by making greater proclamation of the glorious Kingdom by letting their light shine. — Matt. 5: 14-16, A.S.V.""

    So Bethel can now fully admit 1944 is their target year of subversion beginning:

    *** Watchtower 1982 9/15 p. 17 par. 20 The Kingdom and "a Holy Place" ***

    "To that end, a rearrangement of the work and governing structure of Jehovah’s Witnesses was initiated in 1944."

    And the modern Bethel Governing Body also has its own "Apostolic Succession" implied claim:

    *** Watchtower 2013; 7/15 pg. 18, par. 12 ***

    ""The channel he used for spiritual feeding was clearly recognizable. After all, the apostles—the original members of the governing body—could provide visible proof of heavenly backing.""

    Why All This GB Stuff After Rutherford's 1942 Death?

    What we can note is it was after brother Rutherford died, that the WTBTS "board of directors" embarked on their third takeover attempt (1897; 1917), this one successful in 1976. Rutherford put down a "board" insurrection in 1917, and that is why this "governing body" term had to wait until after Rutherford died to spring up again, during the distraction of WW2 and of Rutherford's death.

    ***Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose 1959; pp. 70-71***

    Concerning 1917 Board of Directors second attempted takeover:

    ""There he persisted in his efforts to persuade Rutherford to send him back to England so that he might make his position more secure. When Brother Rutherford refused, he sought assistance from the board of directors and finally persuaded four members to side with him in this issue by making it appear that Brother Rutherford was unfit to serve as president of the Society. Since the board of directors consisted of only seven men, this meant that now the majority of the board of directors had gone in opposition to President Rutherford, Vice-President Pierson and Secretary-Treasurer Van Amburgh. This put the officers of the Society on one side of the issue and the directors who were trying to wrest administrative control from the president on the other side.

    TOM: How did they expect to do that?

    JOHN: Their idea was to make the president's position secondary to the board of directors and limit his authority to that of an adviser. That would have meant making a change in the corporation's bylaws, and since it was a complete departure from the provisions of the original charter it warned of serious trouble ahead.

    [which is exactly what the Governing Body accomplished in 1976!]

    Throughout the entire administration of Pastor Russell, the president and the other officers of the Society had been the ones to decide on new publications; the board of directors, as a body, WAS NOT CONSULTED. Brother Rutherford CONTINUED this same policy as he took up the new administration. ""

    And that is why the "board of directors", about to transform into the "governing body", had to wait until 1944 to "begin speaking about" even the term "governing body". And by 1971 they were further aligning the "GBeocracy" to fit the coming Daniel 8:14 interpretation adjustments of 1982-1999 as well as their 1976 takeover, then finally successful from within.)


    Done Deal 1976: 1944 to 1976 Places the Governing Body "Board" Dictatorship as the "Theocracy" Priests

    *** Proclaimers chap. 9 p. 109 Jehovah’s Word Keeps Moving Speedily (1976-1992) ***

    Starting January 1, 1976, all the activities of the Watch Tower Society and of the congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses around the earth had been brought under the supervision of six administrative committees of the Governing Body. In harmony with that arrangement, on February 1, 1976, changes had been put into effect in all branch offices of the Society around the earth. No longer was each branch supervised by one branch overseer, but three or more mature men served as a Branch Committee, with one member serving as the permanent coordinator. After the committees had been operating for some months, the Governing Body observed: “It has proved beneficial to have a number of brothers taking counsel together to consider the interests of the Kingdom work.

    And now, after all that "gradually given over" process (Dan8:12), the complete blasphemy is easily introduced right to the face of modern JWs, with no qualms:

    *** Watchtower 2015; 7/15 p. 9 par. 14 Work to Enhance the Spiritual Paradise ***

    14, 15. What organizational adjustments were made in the 1970’s, and how have they proved beneficial?

    14 Over the years, the older ones in our midst have personally experienced some of the organizational adjustments that have increased the beauty of the earthly part of Jehovah’s organization. They remember when congregations had a congregation servant rather than a body of elders, when countries had a branch servant rather than a Branch Committee, and when direction was given by the president of the Watch Tower Society rather than by a clearly established Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Although all these devoted brothers were supported by faithful assistants, one person was basically responsible for making decisions in the congregations, at the branch offices, and at world headquarters. During the 1970’s, adjustments were made to put the responsibility for oversight on groups of elders rather than on individuals.

    15 Have these adjustments proved beneficial?

    Yes, and logically so. Why? Because the adjustments were based on increased knowledge about the pattern set in the Scriptures. Instead of having the influence of one individual dominate, the composite good qualities of all the “gifts in men†whom Jehovah has provided benefit the organization.—Eph. 4:8; Prov. 24:6.

    The "Organization" is even Zion now:

    *** Watchtower 2015; 7/15 Work to Enhance the Spiritual Paradise ***

    13. What obligation does Psalm 48:12-14 place on us?

    13 Regardless of how long we have been in the truth, we must tell others about Jehovah’s organization. The existence of a spiritual paradise in the midst of a wicked, corrupt, and loveless world is a modern-day miracle! The wonders about Jehovah’s organization, or “Zion,†and the truth about the spiritual paradise must be joyfully passed on “to future generations.â€â€”Read Psalm 48:12-14.

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    Bethel GB "Episcopate"

    *** Watchtower 2015; 7/15 p. 9 par. 14 Work to Enhance the Spiritual Paradise ***

    14 What organizational adjustments were made in the 1970’s, and how have they proved beneficial?

    15 Have these adjustments proved beneficial?

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    BUT has it all REALLY "proved beneficial" for JWs, the ministry and everyone ever associated with JWs and Bethel?
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    NO NO NO!

    Quite the opposite, it is full GB and UN NGO serving apostasy now. In just 70 years overall (since 1944), and 40 years of "GB Rule" (since 1976).

    "increased knowledge about the pattern set in the Scriptures".

    What "pattern"? The "governing body" pattern is as old as the Christendom hills:

    Pulpit Commentary (Acts 15:2)

    ""The apostles and elders. This phrase marks the constitution of the governing part of the Church of Jerusalem.""

    Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges (Acts 15:2)

    ""These with the elders appear now as the governing body of the infant church.""

    http://biblehub.com/commentaries/acts/15-2.htm

    ""In the beginning of Christendom, early Christianity was a religion spread in the Greek/Roman world and beyond as a 1st-century Jewish sect, which historians refer to as Jewish Christianity. It may be divided into two distinct phases: the apostolic period, when the first apostles were alive and organizing the Church, and the post-apostolic period, when an early episcopal structure developed, whereby bishoprics were governed by bishops (overseers).""

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christendom#Early_Christendom

    ""The episcopate is the collective body of all the bishops of a church.""

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_episcopate

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    (Jude 3-4) Beloved ones, though I was making every effort to write you about the salvation we hold in common, I found it necessary to write you to exhort you to put up a hard fight for the faith that was once for all time delivered to the holy ones. 4 My reason is that certain men have slipped in who have long ago been appointed by the Scriptures to this judgment, ungodly men, turning the undeserved kindness of our God into an excuse for loose conduct and proving false to our only Owner and Lord, Jesus Christ.

    Thus what did slip in was the "GOVERNING BODY" "PATTERN" error itself, that the Christendom "hierarchy" has been using for centuries.

    Thus Bethel employs a modified version of cloaking terms and misapplied prophecy wrappers (Dan8:14 blasphemy), with a quick diversion of JWs to the "Christendom's clergy apostasy" when the "clergy" is defined by the same "governing body" concept, with the same false claims as Bethel.

    Yet all of it is just more mere claims of Bethel's "Governing Body's" own dictatorial development, with the very same basic justification concealing it all in both the Catholic and Bethel systems, which is what formed into Bethel's "clergy" distraction, when Bethel is now the same hierarchical clergy under a different naming and "theocratic" rationale cover—same thing, same subversion reached today.

    Except Bethel also uses prophecy to parallel their hierarchy's justification, and has had a massive momentum of modern truth in which to couch their error to modern lie development (2Thess2:11-12) based on an original error in much the same manner, and by the same "governing body" "pattern" device, as Christendom's own prior devolution into apostasy and compounding error.

    Ultimately it is now completely the same thing.



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    JW Inertia to Temple Judgment

    What we have is a "gradually given over" subversion of the JW ministry, based on a first "error" in the GB thing of 1944.

    Which led to a focus on pre 1945 events, in two valid UN placements exposed as prophecy, UN 1-2, BUT NOW a silence on modern UN world government formation after 1945, and specifically the 3rd UN event of 1990 as prophecy:

    So Fred Franz was validly summarizing the whole 1914-1945 UN 1-2 era,, all the way to his death as that 3rd UN event (1990), UN 1-2-3, was then silenced and joined as UN NGO by modern Bethel.

    So modern JWs under control of the GB, have not explained anything of any post 1945 globalization and world government formation significance since after 1945, because Fred Franz was just recapping the valid portion of the anointed Christian ministry utilizing the Jehovah's witnesses ministry.

    Thus it all peaked in 1969, but was already well on the way to a total GB dictatorship in 1976, to ensure NO ONE in the JW ministry up dates UN prophecy to modern times after 1945, and that NO ONE connects that 3rd UN event to prophecy in 1990, UN 1-2-3.

    Now UN 1-2-3 is unknown to JWs, so UN 1-2-3-4 to World Government will also now be unknown and covered up by this subverted JW "Governing Body" focused ministry. The GB works internal to Bethel for UN interests. (Dan11:32a)

    That is why these prophecies are also unexplained properly, and also bypassed and covered up:

    (Daniel 11:32) “And those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant (at Bethel), he (8th King/King North) will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. (The Bethel "smooth words" 8th King cover-up in the JW publications is part of the smoothly justified apostasy);

    (Daniel 8:12) 12 And an (JW worldwide) army itself was GRADUALLY GIVEN OVER (to 8th King infiltrative control), together with the constant [feature] (imbibed with misinformation), because of transgression;

    (UN NGO and other sins permits allowance of the compromise by removed divine blessing and discernment while fulfillment of prophecy is effected for greater future purpose);


    and it kept throwing truth to the earth (cover up, disinformation), and it acted and had success.

    (Dan11:30 "act effectively" completely successful unlike anything World War 2 produced in ultimate failure when compared to this 8th King engineered intelligence and subversion operation deployed through the Governing Body and installed Bethel agents);


    And now Bethel claims they "Purified it All" as Daniel 8:14 in 1944 by all these subversions!


    Now for those aware of Bethel's Daniel 8:14 Versioneering, now they are the "UNright condition" (Zech3:3) they claim these 1944 based changes had "purified" by the "organizational adjustments" covered above:

    *** Daniel's Prophecy 1999; chap. 10 pp. 177-178 par. 26 Who Can Stand Against the Prince of Princes? ***

    ""For "the holy place" to be "brought," or restored, to what it should be, the 2,300 days must have begun when it previously was in the "right condition" from God’s standpoint. At the earliest, this was on June 1, 1938, when The Watchtower published part 1 of the article "Organization." Part 2 appeared in the issue of June 15, 1938. Counting 2,300 days (6 years, 4 months, and 20 days on the Hebrew calendar) from June 1 or 15, 1938, brings us to October 8 or 22, 1944. On the first day of a special assembly held at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., on September 30 and October 1, 1944, the Watch Tower Society’s president spoke on the subject "The Theocratic Alignment Today." At the annual corporate meeting on October 2, the Society’s charter was amended in an effort to bring it as close to a theocratic arrangement as the law would allow. With the publication of clarified Biblical requirements, theocratic organization was soon more fully installed in the congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses.""

    In reality Bethel is the profanation needing to be "trampled" and brought to the real "right condition" in the future, and that is why this prophecy, and all of Daniel 8:11-25 and Daniel 11:30-45 has never worked in modern apostate Bethel's versions—it has to fulfill in the future, and Bethel profaning is why as seen in the "History of the Governing Body" "clergy" in Jehovah's witnesses ministry:

    (Daniel 8:13-14) And I got to hear a certain holy one speaking, and another holy one proceeded to say to the particular one who was speaking: “How long will the vision be of the (profaned) constant [feature] and of the transgression causing desolation (UN NGO alliance of Daniel 11:31b), to make both [the] holy place (temple "established place"; Dan8:11) and [the] (JW worldwide) army things to trample on?†(first 8th King "trampling" "attack" defining the spiritual meaning of the "tribulation of those days" beginning); 14 So he said to me: “Until two thousand three hundred evenings [and] mornings; and [the] holy place will certainly be brought into its right condition.†(Temple judgment purification completed in this timed period parallel Zechariah 3:4-5, Revelation 8:1-5);

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    Soon is coming the REAL WTBTS "organizational adjustment" from God: Timed Trampling as temple judgment for terminal lawlessness. (Zech3:1-3; 2Thess2:1-4)
     
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    re happy birthday to the GB

    Not one thing to disagree with here. I wish you had a thumbs up, thumbs down button on this site. No matter. I think it is patently obvious the GB are the New Collective Papacy. They are remarkably close in following the structural methods of the Catholic Church.
    Even down to preaching the physical resurrection......Roman Catholic teaching that is........
    After a thousand years of not quite seeing some of their own interpretations of prophecy fail........They stopped. But it took about a thousand years for that to happen. This religion has been at it for about a hundred. They need a good 900 more years to learn to stop it too.
    Unless the big A hits first.
    Sorry for the slight sarcasm, I really should say I don't mean it..but I do. :rolleyes:
     
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    Hi 4winds:

    They formed their own multi-headed wild beast, didn't they? Jehovah always had but one figurehead, good or bad, never rule by committee or democracy. God does not rule by democracy.

    Frank

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    Frank,

    The third time was the charm.

    1944 is magical to the GB insider cabal, as the "weeds" have now taken over the place. I think the "error" of 2Thessalonians 2:11-12 is just accidentally accepting the "governing body" concept by which all "clergies" are defined as their chief architects, it is the same thing. It just took time for the "error" to fully mature into a full blown known "lie".

    Now it being unaddressed although it is obvious it is a "Governing Body of the Downward JW Org Spiral", it is now part of "the lie" overall at Bethel, that never has been exposed properly to JWs in that the "governing body" concept is applied by all the "clergies" Bethel condemns, but this uppity "little sister" Bethel Oholibah is in fact the same brood in hierarchical "DNA" as her "older sister" Chrissydom.

    (Ezekiel 23:3-4) There their breasts were squeezed, and there they pressed the bosoms of their virginity. 4 And their names were Oholah the older one and Oholibah her sister, and they came to be mine and began to give birth to sons and daughters. And as for their names, Oholah is Samaria, and Oholibah is Jerusalem.

    Bethel is just the "new girl" on the UN Street corner, as learned by her pro older sister, but Bethel is a "super freak".


    (Ezekiel 23:11) “When her sister Oholibah got to see [it], then she exercised her sensual desire more ruinously than she, and her prostitution more than the fornication of her sister.

    I know as a Jehovah's witness I certainly did not look into the "governing body" concept until more and more things seemed off, and the forensics kept going in deeper and deeper into Bethel's history; Like digging in Gacy's basement. Now the "Proclaimers" book is just a fabrication of post 1944 Bethel history made to fit the new paradigm.

    And given the age of the GB Virus overall, it just seems to most JWs as "the way it always was"; "business as usual". But in fact it is a different beast altogether, yes Bethel's "seven headed" version of their own "wildbeast" complete with the UN NGO Tramp Stamp on Betty Oholibah's back side, fully riding the wildbeast now.

    Now it is "advertise, advertise, advertise" the JW Org, as warmed up with that UN NGO prelude campaigning.

    It cannot turn out good. Something has to give.

    (Ezekiel 23:22) “Therefore, O Oholibah, this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, ‘Here I am rousing up your passionate lovers against you...
     
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    Here is the beauty 4winds:

    WE can comment.

    Covert, disguised, directed at Catholicism [for example] -- refinement comments.

    Silent instruction through external concepts.

    Jehovah's Witnesses know the truth when it's presented outside of the "deluding influence".

    And it's our job to be that sniper in the cipher :)

    The zeal of the Jewish people was why Jehovah loved them; JWs have that zeal, it just needs to be unlocked from the shackles of the corrupted priesthood. Elijah, Elisha, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Joel.. these are the PATTERN.

    Zeal and willingness to despise shame is FAR superior to "information". "how blind is the servant of Jehovah?"
     
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    This is already "fast tracked", things will accelerate Bethel's fall and total exposure.

    But you are correct, look at this comparison:

    *** Theocratic Aid To Kingdom Publishers 1945 p. 334 Lesson 85 ***

    The Hierarchy's Organization Structure

    ""The Roman Catholic Hierarchy today stands as the most powerful single religious structure in the earth. In its internal re-organization since the staggering blow of the Protestant Reformation four centuries ago, the Roman Hierarchy has welded together the world's most autocratic organization. Now this formidable body is making its all-out twentieth-century bid for universaldomination. It is pushing for recognition as a spiritual overlord and super ruling organization over the nations of the earth. What is its modern structure? Is this colossus built upon Christian foundations? Is its organization Theocratic, God-ruled?

    From the very founding of Catholic fusion religion the Theocratic form of organization was abandoned for episcopal and hierarchic priest rule. The rock foundations of true Christianity, Jehovah God and Christ Jesus, were quickly set aside for the sands of Babylonish traditions. Jesus' principles, "all ye are brethren" and "one fold", were ignored in favor of a priesthood along pagan lines, thus creating a ruling class and a ruledclass. Thus has come into existence the "Catholic population". They have no voice in ruling matters, nor are they even counted members of the Catholic Church organization. They are merely the supporters of a gigantic clergy ruling organization.""

    It is all sounding the same today amongJehovah's witnesses:


    The Bethel Hierarchy's Organization Structure

    ""The Jehovah's Witnesses Hierarchy today stands as a powerful religious structure in the earth. In its internal re-organization since 1944, the Bethel Hierarchy has welded together the world's most"theocratic" organization. Now this formidable body is making its all-outtwenty-first-century bid for Jehovah's witnesses domination. It is pushing for recognition as a spiritual overlord and super ruling organization over the nation ofJehovah's witnesses. What is its modern structure? Is this colossus built upon Christian foundations? Is its organization Theocratic, God-ruled?

    From the very founding of Bethel corporate fusion religion the Theocratic form of organizationwording was adopted in lieu of episcopal and hierarchic priestrule terminology. The rock foundations of true Christianity, Jehovah God and Christ Jesus, were quickly set aside for the sands ofChristendom's corporate hierarchical traditions. Jesus' principles, "all ye are brethren" and "one fold", were ignored in favor of a priesthood along corporatestructural lines, thus creating a ruling class and a ruledclass of Jehovah's witnesses. Thus has come into existence the "JW population". They have no voice in ruling matters, nor are they even counted members of theBethel "Watchtower Society" organization. They are merely the supporters of a gigantic clergy ruling organization.""


    Of course, in modern reality of Bethel's "creating a ruling class" and the Jehovah's witnesses "ruled class" corporate and ministerial hierarchy, it is now the same thing, a "hierarchic priest rule" under updated terminology to fit apostate Bethel's apostate-cloned agenda.

    The new cloaking terms include the supposed "Theocracy", the collective "Governing Body" as the cloak for a collective "Pope" "papal body", and various labels and justifications any religion can use to give credibility to their own "governing bodies", "papacies" and "synods".

    But Bethel concretes it in with a healthy layer of "prophecy" to accomplish the feat beyond any other religious subversion in Christendom. I do not know how many times the "wood" has been replaced by the "copper", but it is a number of times in the Bethel Sausage Remixing Grinder of "Theology".
     
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    There are "weeds" (prophesied Satanic implants) and there are the "sleeping".

    In my admittedly tiny brain, I see the truth and the delusion in almost everything the WTBS writes.

    So much understanding. But so much subtle (very subtle, a sentence here, a sentence there) corruption.

    Personally I feel that the "sleeping" are still in control. During that final 7 (or perhaps, initial 3.5) year segment, the "weeds" take overt control.

    This is when the "one having insight" imparts "understanding to the many".

    The REAL faithful slave; see Revelation 12, when the "woman" is swallowed by the "earth" [hides in the wilderness], and is "fed for a time, times and half a time".
     
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    Very true. Now WE KNOW it is "the end" of Bethel "A system of things" (Matt13:36-42) that MUST occur well before the total end of the whole "the system of things".

    Thus these things JWs are taught to apply to "surviving the end of the world", are actually things you just mentiond to come through the Bethel temple judgment calamity:

    (Ezekiel 9:4) And Jehovah went on to say to him: “Pass through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and you must put a mark on the foreheads of the men that are sighing and groaning over all the detestable things that are being done in the midst of it.â€￾

    See that? "sighing and groaning over all the detestable things" BETHEL has now cultured in a once valid and clean ministry.


    (Malachi 3:16) At that time those in fear of Jehovah spoke with one another, each one with his companion, and Jehovah kept paying attention and listening. And a book of remembrance began to be written up before him for those in fear of Jehovah and for those thinking upon his name.

    That "book" is with those with the "inkhorn" mark at this time, paying attention to Bethel's true reality, and SAYING SO to God, and others. Thus being on this and "sighing and groaning" is a good sign, because the Bethel abominations are NOT good developments, and the more JWs who can see it, can then wake up before the calamity comes on Bethel's "a system of things".

    Now true many are unaware, so those events can aid all of our personal repentance which change will be required from these various Bethel man worshiping errors. Bethel is CHANGING PERSONAL ATTITUDES, and that is why their stellar flight of hubris and infallibility is dangerous to those who adopt the "GB" "model to follow their footsteps closely". They are NOT "Christ like", they are "lifted up" and "confirmed drunkards" high on their own whiskey and UN Kool Aid.

    It is what it is.

    We can see in general, what God can see in specific, so there are misled JWs that God must free from Bethel by direct actions at some point in this TAKEOVER development. We can help JWs, not judge them, but we can make known Bethel is not in God's good grace. How this "falls out" in the complexity of the Bethel labyrinth, we cannot know, but that God will look out for many of "his people" stuck in this Bethel Web, is certain, as this develops to full blown in time.

    The GB headed Bethel "Mother" is the "Black Widow" at the center of this Bethel Web trapping and sucking JWs of everything they can suck out.
     
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    I agree with that to a high degree.

    However!

    Through the worst of things, Jehovah produces the ones who understand.

    As an overview, that is quite literally what the 144,000 represent.

    Those tested in the flame of this world, the corruption outside which is obvious, and the corruption inside which is covert.

    So, rather than seeing Bethel as "Satan incarnate", I see them as the refining opposite of light.

    The separating force for people who love truth, a division. (a deluding influence FOR THOSE WHO KNOW THE TRUTH)

    From the broad perspective of Christian history, this has been true.

    And now, immediately before the collapse of the post-Roman iron-clay system, emerges a group of zealous people who despise shame.

    Out of that will (IMO) be the refined argument.

    "Jeremiah" has already appeared [Robert King and the internet], now we wait for Babylon to strike Jerusalem.
     
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    Yes. They are not doing all this for simply no reason, nor the reasons they give to the JW targets. It must get worse in various ways I would guess.

    No wonder they are shuttling billions out of the org as we speak! They want to keep a lot of it for the home camp boys back at KingNorthville 8th Kingville.

    Then they can toss the KHs to the tsunami coming for what is still nailed down assets.

    And all the while they can stupefy JWs with the "it's the end brothers!" exiting smokescreen.

    We have quite the "As The Bethel World Turns" Soap Opera to keep up with now!
     
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    That is the dispersion -- The assault of Babylon.

    And just like Jeremiah's day, they will say "the temple of Jehovah, the temple of Jehovah we are" and be blind.

    Then, Jehovah's Witnesses go BACK to spiritual Jerusalem (small pockets) meeting at houses, and going in the ministry with renewed zeal.

    Out of that persecution will come the holy spirit in power, like the 1st century.

    There are 8 million people on this planet who know the truth, but are under a prophesied deluding influence.

    When that influence is gone, the ministry will be unleashed with an impact that rivals Peter and Paul's experiences.
     
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    Yes this must produce some refinements and the right "sackcloth" attitude:

    (Isaiah 48:10-11) . . .Look! I have refined you, but not in [the form of] silver. I have made choice of you in the smelting furnace of affliction. 11 For my own sake, for my own sake I shall act, for how could one let oneself be profaned? And to no one else shall I give my own glory.

    Same old story, it is just happening again, in our time.
     
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    Yes it will take another "miracle of God", and a surge of the "spirit of the truth". God will have to get credit as the deliverer, because JWs are really now up that creek, with only the GB holey paddle. Christ has to "come to the temple", in the same pattern, first.

    It is way worse than most JWs realize at this time.

    But the Bethel "cave of robbers" are not escaping expulsion. Same patterns.
     
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    Why I'm semi-challenging-subtly-disagreeing with you my sister, is this notion :)

    Yes, in a sense, "same old story".

    But how many times has this really happened?

    The Jews, the early Christian Roman Church, and now, the Jehovah's Witnesses.

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    The real "same old story" is the movement of empire and blinded men who move by desire.

    It is true that "the servant" of Jehovah is "blind", but there is also Elijah and Elisha, and more importantly: the 7000.

    Out of Ahab and Jezebel came restoration!

    All of the cities [denominations] in Israel had a chance to return to Jehovah.
     
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    It is not insignificant, it is first the human Adamic condition as Satan's first "in".

    And in Israel's and Jerusalem history BOTH judgments were gateways to a new world power.

    1. Israel with Assyrian rise 2nd King,

    2. and Jerusalem with Babylon's rise as the 3rd King.

    3. Jerusalem's liberation was as the 4th King rose in Medo Persia.

    4. In the first century the 70 CE Jerusalem judgment marked the Roman rise, 6th King.

    ALL marked by a temple judgment like event, or Babylon like judgment.

    5. In Christendom's exposure came the Anglo-American power rise, 7th King.

    6. This time it is World Government that Bethel's judgment will be a signal of. That is the final global power transition. The US/UK nation-state system will also fall, into that rise of final world government, the trigger of Christ's full arrival.

    7. and total world judgment.

    And the Messianic Kingdom final transition to a new global power.
     
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    Very perceptive!

    Sadly, we're in slow motion now, even though we see it ... there could be years or even decades for it to come to fruition.

    We'll see though, the Shemitah is in a few weeks ;) [joking]
     
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    Hi All:

    It may be hard to admit, but the Watchtower has become, not the seven headed, ten horned wild beast of Revelation, but "a" seven headed, ten horned beast of it's own in a spiritual sense. They rule "by committee". If you count the GB itself as the main committee, you have seven, as there are six minor committees. They also have the ten horns in that their kingdom is divided into ten zones. So, instead of being set up more like a theocracy with one "head" representing Jesus on earth who represents Jehovah, they have become more like their father's son.

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    Yes the drawn out time frame will help more people see it as this has to broaden well beyond Bethel's rich man "eye of the needle" into the Kingdom, into an open global final salvation call.

    The drawn out nature will allow errors to be filtered out, and it will allow Bethel's false "the end" prophecy to fail first. And then Christendom rapture will fail, etc, etc, as they discredit all Christian prophecy in the final "sword stroke" process.

    But to those paying attention to the whole development, and not jumping the gun too soon, or freaking out as their own worst enemy, that is all already in the real prophecy outline.

    God unfolding it over several final years, will allow the forecast to finalize itself, as certain milestones are reached prior to full global government, the biggest milestone of the pre-Christ arrival sequence. In that way the "small and the great" in knowledge, can put 2 and 2 together to be saved among those "rocking" to awake.

    (Haggai 2:7) . . .“‘And I will rock all the nations, and the desirable things of all the nations must come in; and I will fill this house with glory,’ Jehovah of armies has said.

    The purpose is waking up ANYONE possible, to salvation opportunity.

    And that is why no one has to argue, we can consider everyone's ideas, and be patient, and enduring (Matt24:13) and let time and God unfold the total reality. It is what ti is, Christ is about to arrive to cap off the whole trajectory, and to confront their world government full global rivalry when they are TOTALLY ready, for TOTAL WAR WITH GOD AND CHRIST and the full forces, his "armies", of all heaven.

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    And a real principle really is, Satan is who must present his own decoys amidst false propehcy cloaking, and that first. All of Satan's decoys and counterfeits use false prophecy and "doomsday" impressions to develop to the world government "solution" first. Satan is one step ahead with his world government boys for this purpose. And God allows it to reach total global climax of maturity.

    With JWs, Bethel installs the premature end delusion of 2 Thessalonians 2:1-2, to sack the org, and sell it to JWs as "the end" during the whole process. Of course that debilitates JW prophecy progress greatly. And hence why Paul gave the full warning from God in 2Thess2:1-4.

    The premature "the end" concoction is Bethel's main delusion to suspend JW minds now, and especially when they go into ful blown global WTBTS deposition mode, that also takes some time and doing. (Hence Dan8:14; Isa37:30-32; Hos6:1-3) They want to silence JWs, so they cannot make the final full forecast as years go by instead, forming the real "big picture" in that drawn out final process.

    (Lamentations 5:20) . . .Why is it that forever you forget us, that you leave us for the length of days? (Dan8:14 "evening" length of days)

    Thus rather than get divided more and more, we can let time test out all of our ideas, that God allows us to speculate upon. But a long haul is coming, and knowing that now, aids the process of patience and staying on it. The only ones God and Christ sneak in on is JWs, for temple judgment, the world government boys will get an excruciatingly detailed "little scroll" totally full and fair warning for war in time. War with the Kingdom of Jesus Christ, the ruling Kign of kings to come.

    The world will eb able to observe, and some will also catch on to the real "big picture" as this unfolds. There is no "doomsday", it "heals" into world government, then Christ arrives. No need to get freaked out as the "sword stroke" will produce a global crisis of unique global "tribulation of those days" proportions. But that global "problem" will "heal" into the World Government Global Solution, "ascending" (Rev17:8-12; Rev11:7) for that 8th King final purpose, amidst GLOBAL RECOVERY hopeful "admiration" of Revelation 13:3 and Revelation 17:8-13 parallels.

    That is how I speculate the propehcy unfolds, and time will test that out just like everyone else will be put to the test.

    That is why God lets this run the full final course, but it is in prophecy. (Rev1:1), and this is the finale cycle to world government and Christ arrival amidst a temple purification of "Biblical proportions" to prepare the final warning; it is not "the end" for quite some time, and in that time many can awaken and be saved among ANYONE on planet Earth. JWs are just a sign of the broadenign of God's FINAL Open Salvation call to the whole world.

    But as per Matthew 10:23, humans cannot complete the global "Israel" "circuit.

    (Matthew 10:23) . . .When they persecute you in one city, flee to another; for truly I say to you, you will by no means complete the circuit of the cities of Israel UNTIL the Son of man arrives.



    So in Revelation 14:1-7, Christ is who MUST complete the very ministry he started.

    (Revelation 14:6-7) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.â€￾



    Thus before destructions of Revelation 14:17-20, is global open salvation of Revelation 14:1-14. Christ arrives to save many first (Matt24:31), then it is time to end the 8th King "one hour". Destruction is the very last thing Christ does. So we can focus on salvation in the meantime, and salvation of others, ANYONE out there can be saved potentially. Of course not all will, but many will wake up over this drawn out process, and God will test it all out as it unfolds.
     
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    Ominous. What a weird pattern those seven headed vipers have assumed, no doubt purposely. They sure like that 6. Lett "we added Jehovah's name 6 more times", while he fingers a 666 hand sign in the video. "I won't have you twist God's word like "brother" so-and-so had you do" ha ha, amidst clapping JW seals...

    It began as "Moses" like led ministry, imperfect men true, but not near as bad as this GB seven-headed UN toting abomination. The "Governing Body" style of "fly a plain" by committee is really an experiment.

    No wonder Fred Franz said this:

    Fred Franz ""went on to say that he had not been in favor of the change then and that from that point forward he had “just been watchingâ€￾ to see what would result."" ... “I never had in mind what the Governing Body wants to do now.â€￾ in regard to the 1976 full dictatorial GB stunt. (CoC; Ch. 4)

    "Just been watching". And what can we see now? DISASTER. Fred knew something was amiss. The GB pilots are nose diving right into a volcano.
     
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    This is true and why Isaiah, Hosea, Amos and Micah (Joel too) are so important for this "Israel" Bethel parallel first judgemnt warning phase, God will toss the "royal rule" of Bethel's Ahab illegal "kings", much bloodshed must be accounted from "Mother Jezebel" (Rev2:20-23) Bethel, but it will be a global signal in time, for restoration:

    (Hosea 1:4-7) And Jehovah went on to say to him: “Call his name Jezreel, for yet a little while and I must hold an accounting for the acts of bloodshed of Jezreel against the house of Jehu, and I must cause the royal rule of the house of Israel to cease. 5 And it must occur in that day that I must break the bow of Israel in the low plain of Jezreel.†6 And she proceeded to become pregnant another time and to give birth to a daughter. And He went on to say to him: “Call her name Lo-ruhamah, for I shall no more show mercy again to the house of Israel, because I shall positively take them away.

    But God will NOT give up "Judah", as in JWs globally dispersed and other "cities" to also be delivered, to end the desolation phase coming up:

    7 But to the house of Judah I shall show mercy, and I will save them by Jehovah their God; but I shall not save them by a bow or by a sword or by war, by horses or by horsemen.â€

    And as one can see, that historic "deliverance" is the covert angel of the covenant (in Mal3:1-5; Zech3:1-5 mode), who also laid low the 185,000 Assyrians...

    (Isaiah 37:36-37) And the angel of Jehovah proceeded to go forth and strike down a hundred and eighty-five thousand in the camp of the Assyrians. When people rose up early in the morning, why, there all of them were dead carcasses. 37 Hence Sennacherib the king of Assyria pulled away...


    ...which Assyrians thought they could extend the judgment given them by God (Isa36:10) all the way to all of Judah.

    (Isaiah 36:10) And now is it without authorization from Jehovah that I have come up against this land to bring it to ruin? Jehovah himself said to me, ‘Go up against this land, and you must bring it to ruin.’â€

    (Dan8:13-14 temple judgment timed decree, that they know they get, is what they will try to breech for full JW global capture attempt after Bethel is sacked as timed in the decree.)

    But the Assyrians couldn't get it all could they?

    Same thing with these King North rats in the temple today (Dan11:32a), they get Bethel JW organization visible epicenter (Dan8:13-14; Isa28), but they do NOT get all JWs globally, but they also will need to suffer a covert angelic hit, to back off (and back off they will). God is who opens the recovery phase, guaranteed.

    Jehovah's witnesses approved will be delivered by the same angel, in this warning judgment on Bethel's version of "Israel" apostasy. This judgment, like Israel's is the initial phase "judgment starts with the house of God". (That is why angels are all over the temple judgment pronouncements, they come out for delivery and purification purposes first, not to conquer yet, it is JW recovery time when they come with the holy spirit surge, after the desolation runs its course of total accounting; God will be done in the chastisement phase.)

    (Isaiah 12:1-2) And in that day you will be sure to say: “I shall thank you, O Jehovah, for [although] you got incensed at me, your anger gradually turned back, and you proceeded to comfort me. 2 Look! God is my salvation. I shall trust and be in no dread; for Jah Jehovah is my strength and [my] might, and he came to be the salvation of me.â€

    (Hosea 6:1-3) Come, you people, and do let us return to Jehovah, for he himself has torn in pieces but he will heal us. He kept striking, but he will bind us up. 2 He will make us alive after two days. On the third day (Dan8:14 3.19 years) he will make us get up, and we shall live before him. 3 And we will know, we will pursue to know Jehovah. Like dawn, his going forth is firmly established. And he will come in like a pouring rain to us; like a spring rain that saturates [the] earth.â€

    (Isaiah 37:30-32) “‘And this will be the sign for you: There will be an eating this year of the growth from spilled kernels, and in the second year grain that shoots up of itself; but in the third year sow seed, you people, and reap, and plant vineyards and eat their fruitage. 31 And those who escape of the house of Judah, those who are left remaining, will certainly take root downward and produce fruitage upward. 32 For out of Jerusalem a remnant will go forth and those who escape out of Mount Zion. The very zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this.

    So recovery will come after the UN NGO and other mass lawlessness Bethel bill is paid.

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    Thus what comes on Bethel, like Israel's judgment, is a FIRST WARNING to many others:

    (1 Peter 4:17) For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God. Now if it starts first with us, what will the end be of those who are not obedient to the good news of God?

    MANY will be given time to ask ourmselves such questions. It is for repentance, just as Jerusalem witnessed Samaria's downfall of Israel's "house" as a warning many years before Babylon later came on Jerusalem later, AFTER the Israel judgment warning was complete. Bethel's judgemnt is a similar warning with enough time to have a full effect on some.

    Isaiah 28 comes on Bethel, and that first, for a very important reason:

    (Isaiah 28:18-19) And your covenant with Death will certainly be dissolved, and that vision of yours with Sheol will not stand. The overflowing flash flood, when it passes through—you must also become for it a trampling place. 19 As often as it passes through, it will take you men away, because morning by morning it will pass through, during the day and during the night; and it must become nothing but a reason for quaking TO MAKE OTHERS UNDERSTAND what has been heard.†( Dan8:13-14)

    Bethel's "Israel" downfall will be the "strange deed" and unusual work of God, not "Christendom" as apostate Bethel diversion:

    (Isaiah 28:21) For Jehovah will rise up just as at Mount Perazim, he will be agitated just as in the low plain near Gibeon, that he may do his deed—his deed is strange—and that he may work his work—his work is unusual.


    So when Bethel JW org takes the big hit, to mark Daniel 8:14 (Rev8) timing of the Daniel 8:13 temple judgment decree but beginning, in time the JW org downfall will take on its true fuller meanings; it is a final prophecy cycle activating, the one that spans the seven trumpet gauging to world government and Christ arrival.

    And if JWs are being judged, as we will be, then that opens a broader final salvation call logic to all of God's people still in Babylon, and still in the world, and all of Christendom. Bethel's downfall will garner global-attention where it is needed.

    It leads to a truly final open salvation call and final Kingdom warning, the one where Christ assumes Messianic Kingdom "gathered" completion total universal power amidst progressive global milestones, like Bethel's judgment, that will progress over time to become undeniable what is actually forming, with enough time for it to be explained as God backs the recovery.

    Bethel's Hosea parallel "City of Murderers" downfall, opens a huge final salvation call:

    (Matthew 22:7-10) “But the king grew wrathful, and sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and burned their city. 8 Then he said to his slaves, ‘The marriage feast indeed is ready, but those invited were not worthy. 9 Therefore go to the roads leading out of the city, and anyone you find invite to the marriage feast.’ 10 Accordingly those slaves went out to the roads and gathered together all they found, both wicked and good; and the room for the wedding ceremonies was filled with those reclining at the table.

    Now the anti-Christian "Assyrian" faction up at Bethel, is right where God wants them, in the same city:

    (Isaiah 66:6) There is a sound of uproar out of the city, a sound out of the temple! It is the sound of Jehovah repaying what is deserved to his enemies.

    So when the angel rolls into the temple first (Mal3:1-4; Zech3:4-5), this final time, its fuller meaning will emerge later, as the apostates and infiltrators at Bethel will be neutralized and "escorted" out, just like the spared Assyrian handful, to go give the news to their King North 8th King camp ring-leaders of what is really forming:

    (Isaiah 10:19) 19 And the rest of the trees of his forest—they will become such a number that a mere boy will be able to write them down.

    (Isaiah 10:12) “And it must occur that when Jehovah terminates all his work in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, I shall make an accounting for the fruitage of the insolence of the heart of the king of Assyria...

    (Isaiah 10:20-23) And it will certainly occur in that day that those remaining over of Israel and those who have escaped of the house of Jacob will never again support themselves upon the one striking them, and they will certainly support themselves upon Jehovah, the Holy One of Israel, in trueness. 21 A mere remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God. 22 For although your people, O Israel, would prove to be like the grains of sand of the sea, a mere remnant among them will return. An extermination decided upon will be flooding through in righteousness, 23 because an exterminating and a strict decision the Sovereign Lord, Jehovah of armies, will be executing in the midst of the whole land.

    It will be God's warning to them as well, to get ready for full blown war with Christ, while God opens the recovery for the true final warning of Revelation 9-11, amidst a global crisis that also has to in time "heal" into world government. (Rev13:3; Rev17:8-13) They cannot stop God's final warning (Rev11:3), and in time this whole milestone overall development will be a warning in itself, and why God will let it run the full course, so many can see the big picture over these final years.

    How God recovers it is yet to be seen. That is we do not know to what extent God will crash Bethel. They have deeply ensconced brothers in this development who He will appeal to for full repentance and full disclosure, He may preserve an outpost for the final warning. Then again He may trash the whole UN NGO Bethel system. We do not know, but the GB is the problem, and some of their temporary cohorts INSIDE of Bethel system. (Dan11:32a; Dan8:12)

    There is a very old internal history since 1884 in this organization, not everyone in it is apostate like the GB UN dealer collective device. Of course God has angels and miraculous powers for recovery, but He often uses the path of most resistance—humans and manmade tools—to carry out the missions. We do not know who may or may not repent, and we certainly cannot trust mere appearances of Bethel's "superfine apostle" liars just because they make grandiose claims and self approving judgments.

    (Revelation 2:2) ‘I know your deeds, and your labor and endurance, and that you cannot bear bad men, and that you put those to the test who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them liars.

    They just mimic a past dialogue of once fully consecrated brothers, like Rutherford and Fred Franz, to fool JWs, actors. But in time, since 1944, they morphed into today's collective GB sad state of things in the terminal "unright condition":

    (2 Corinthians 11:13-15) For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light. 15 It is therefore nothing great if his ministers also keep transforming themselves into ministers of righteousness. But their end shall be according to their works.

    That is why this will drag on amidst a global crisis distraction context ALSO TO FORM, and why we just need to pay attention as it unfolds, it is going for the long haul, hence the endurance directive of Matthew 24:13, because the good news of Matthew 24:14 as Revelation 10:5-11, is not yet complete, and it will take divine aid to complete that final mission. And if they did not meet that "Destroyer", as they will in time first, JWs would be done—THAT is the truth, and why these patterns in the prophets who foretold Israel's judgment are full of these principles.

    God will take the full credit with Christ his covenant leader, for the eventual deliverance of Jehovah's witnesses, once He is done with Bethel. These guys "in the temple", like the Assyrians, will have to be met by superior covert force to get them out, in time, and then followed up on if they try to creep back in, as God is who forms the final recovery and purification phase, guarded once their allowance is met...

    (Zechariah 9:8) And I will encamp as an outpost for my house, so that there will be no one passing through and no one returning; and there will no more pass through them a taskmaster, for now I have seen [it] with my eyes.

    (Hosea 9:16) Ephraim must be struck down. Their very root must dry up. There will be no fruit that they produce. Also, in case they bring to birth, I will even put to death the desirable things of their belly.

    ...until the final warning is totally complete, hence the "two witnesses" success for a time (Rev11:2-6), but eventual final cessation (Rev11:7) of that final warning as world government completes over several final years of this whole overall first six trumpet and plague sequence gauging.

    It is a signal for the enemy in and around Bethel too:

    (Isaiah 31:8-9) And the Assyrian must fall by the sword, not [that of] a man; and a sword, not [that of] earthling man, will devour him. (Hos1:7, Mic5:5-6 parallel) And he must flee because of the sword, and his own young men will come to be for forced labor itself. (Job 14:14 "compulsory service") 9 And his own crag (in Bethel; Rev8:8) will pass away out of sheer fright, and because of the signal his princes must be terrified,†is the utterance of Jehovah, whose light is in Zion and whose furnace is in Jerusalem.

    They meet the stoker of that furnace, to end the desolation over-extension attempt to go for all JWs globally, which they are NOT given. They also get advanced warning, as usual.

    The JW org "trampling" will be a HUGE global sign in time. ANYONE can benefit from it, when they see what it means for real.

    Of course my speculation will be tested like the rest, but the cover up of world government seems to get clearer and clearer as to what Bethel is really up to, to sell JWs a premature "end of the world" delusion (2Thess2:1-2) in a global "doomsday" context, to bewilder JWs as long as they can as Bethel crashes and then try to keep it all shut up afterwards. The goal is derailing JWs as long as they can, while attempting destroy or capture the global JW ministerial resource base.

    Then they meet you know who, and the window of opportunity will open backed by God, accounted to purification for final warning purpose while the whole world is actually en route to World Government, the final Christ arrival trigger as it unwinds its final years.
     
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