"All Scripture is inspired ... for teaching". What Scripture?

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    On 1st Timothy 3:16, we read: "All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness ..."

    What Paul meant by "all Scripture"...?

    The context shows what Paul was talking about. On v.15 he mentions tells Timothy that "from infancy you have known the holy writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation". If Timothy was in his early 30's when he was appointed by Paul as an elder in Ephesus, then Timothy was born circa 29 CE, that is, well before Jesus' death, and therefore, the "holy writings" that he has known since his infancy were the OT. That's the "all Scripture" that Paul refers to on v.16.

    Since Paul was talking about the Old Testament (OT), saying that it was "useful" [Greek: opheleo, meaning: profit, help, benefit] for "teaching". Shall we conclude that Paul was endorsing the OT as a source of doctrine for Christians? Are we authorized to use the OT as basis of our doctrine?

    No. Here's why: The context on v.15 shows that Paul considered the OT useful because they "are able to give you wisdom for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus." The salvation doesn't come from observation and obedience to the OT. Salvation comes through faith in Jesus. However, the OT can become "useful" and "helpful" to the Chrstian [in particular, the Christian with a jewish background, as it was Timothy's case], to gain wisdom to recognize the Messiah as Jesus.

    While Paul described the OT Scriptures as "useful / profitable", he didn't describe them as "authority". However, he described the apostleship as "authority that the Lord gave us" (2 Corinthians 10:8) [Strong's #1832, exesti, meaning: lawful], thus tracing his authority directly from Jesus Christ.

    What do you think?


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    Hi Eden,

    Yes, the Scriptures were the OT (maybe along with some other books that may have disappeared or that are apocryphal and used anyway without them being given the same weight as the canonical ones (the apocryphal books are obviously not inspired)), that is the rolls in Hebrew and the LXX in Greek.

    The OT and the Old Covenant, and by extension, the Law, aren't the same thing. The Law was abolished, not the content of the OT as a whole.

    The OT is, as Paul said, a shadow of the things to come. It's foolish to discard the OT because it's the very foundation of the NT. The roots of our doctrines are in the OT. The NT is a truthful interpretation, a correct rendering of the OT. The Scriptures have different facets (prophetic, narrative, poetic, etc) and one of them is the huge content in relation with our human nature (imperfection, qualities, wickedness, etc). The Bible is a book with figurative and spiritual drawers, which means that when we read it, we open many different drawers and find therein what we need according to who we are, what we're looking for and when we read it.

    That's how, in my opinion, the OT and the NT are as useful as Paul said.
     
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    I think you meant 2nd Timothy.;)
     
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    Duh ... you're right. :rolleyes:

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    while I cant tell exactly which scriptures are or are not inspired..I do know that the one book of the bible that describes the prison of the bad angels was omited with the full knowledge that whom ever wrote genisis also wrote the omited book of enoch.just as we can use data voice stress analisis to tell if a person is lieing. the bible books can be checked for authors through a similar method that converts text to code...the entire bible has been encoded.its plain fact that whoever wrote genisis also wrote enoch.and that person would have had to been god through a person because of the differance in times of writeing..its also interesting to note that the words of jesus in the new testament seem to be the exact same pattern as the ten comandments which does show jesus had the mind of jehovah..anyway many people of today get inspired by holy spirit to write..the book the shack while being dramatic and unbeleiveable to some contains a description of how jesus apeared to a man of today.and this is exactly how he showed himself to me in 1994. while the bible remains the bible and never changes.jehovah hasent stoped writeing! through men.. and if you beleive the watchtower is bringing forth new light..you must also acept the fact that jesus other sheep also receive inspiration to have scripture and books that are of benefeit... look at the mormons pearl of great price. this fine guide to maintanance of the human body is one of the best health guides available. yet onley the mormans benefeit from it... look at the seven day adventists diet principles obviously inspired by god because the adventists are healthyer than the rest of us. you dont see any of us rushing out to by 7 day advent books! which brings me to the litterature of jehovahs wittness I would have to say that their is definate inspiration by god their for the simple fact that if you never ever see a bible you will eventully be fed the entire bible via the litterature.. its like an iv and a cathatere! so much fun! but anyway it does the job...so I think what timothy is trying to make clear is that all writing that have been inspired by god are beneficial..and this extends beyond just what we call the bible
     

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