Please copy and paste where I said these things... Now there's a good question. So how do you approach the subject then? On one hand you have Rev 9 saying that those under the alter were raised to life in heaven then told to wait until their brothers were killed. My point was, then this must be able to be understood in the other scriptures then, if that is so. So the question I asked myself at that point was, "In any other scriptures talking about those raised can it be read in a way that some aren't raised right away", and the answer to that is yes. "in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed." Why in that scripture does it separate the dead from those alive? Why does it say the dead will be raised up incorruptible, but the living will be changed? Why does it state them differently? Do you know? 1Th 4:16; "and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first" First? They rise first before who? It tells you in the next verse. "Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord." It's the living that are raised "Afterward" with them in the clouds. John, these scriptures only confirm what is written in Rev 9.