Hi hope every one is well as can be. I just wanted to alert you, that there is a Bethelite in America by the alias name of Johnny.
He was being interviewed by six screens radio conference, on the show he admits that he is an internet spy for the Watchtower, and says no matter what alias you use he can drop a trojan and have your I.P address in minutes. He said he checks private emails and facebook accounts too. The interview is at least four hours long, so he sounds really exhausted in some of the videos. He says he is sick of his job at Bethel and can't wait for the Watchtower elite to fall. I have put up one short video if you want the whole interview it's on youtube.
He also said depression is rife and alcohol is in every Bethelites room, as it helps them cope with the pressure
.http://youtu.be/3nK5zw5bbWc



So big brother is watching you
Shikinah

 

It is very sad if the account is true , that one spends time in
demolishing someone's account and character instead of
taking the little time we are given in this "life" to learn HOW
to LOVE and respect all those that Jah and his Son have
set in motion to connect with our own paths of life ..The
great architect of life and the cosmos certainly never
approved INVASIVE intrusion into the persons he is trying
kindly to woo to learning and living in the manner taught
by his Glorious Son , bein' appalled by this kind of behavior
seems to be increasing exponentially to our attention and
being hurt at heart that the magnificent instruction of our
Lord has been so defiled by the hatred manifested in the
indoctrination of what is so called "apostasy".
Just a quick stop in as I have been "very busy" with the
comings and goings of company , family and friends who
also seem to be more interested now in what has been kindly
given to me with regard to expression of the nature of the
calling to "seek the truth" . So hi , and I will connect again
tween my next rounds of company and travelin' .. Hearts
to heart to you all for now .... Mic

 

If that testimony is true, it'd be interesting to know the motives of such acts and also what they do with the data collected... If brothers are asked to do this, it's not just for the sake of it.

 

Hi Josh,
As the saying go's "nothing is sacred"

 

Hello Sis,
Exactly, spending time policing instead of following and applying Jesus words. Apparently this brother said, because we are baptised in the name of the organisation "spirit directed organisation" they have a right over us. So it's legally ok to investigate our privacy.
This is deceptive, why isn't this mentioned before baptism?
Enjoy your break chat soon.

Sisterly Love
Shikinah

 

Hello Utuna,
I think his testimony is true, because when the interviewer was trying to push him to say is homosexuality rife in Bethel, he said no not at all. He really seemed genuinely upset at what he was seeing.
He is one of the top hackers, as he specialises in I.T, he repairs the pc's etc, and he said files can not be deleted and he has loads of data which has kept and will release in the future. He said they make most of their money from the big assemblies, even the poor ones take minimum 20,000 dollars. He said they also have investments in canadian cattle and the latest is oil. He said they have been doing some secret building work, and it involves some deep underground facility. He said a lot of money is constantly leaving their account, which has been happening over the past five years, that is why they are always saying they need money.
Oh yes the spying is to see who is promoting different types of teachings, silent lambs because of protests and apostate sites. Certain ones are on a special list. The information go's to the FADS, and they have documents written up to protect themselves in advance just incase of slander etc. It is also sent to elders if there is anything which looks sinister in a local congregation.
I was thinking is there something that they know that there not telling us, they tell us we need a go bag with 3 days supply, while their building deep underground hideouts..
He also said they get a lot of complaints from family members because of the elderly and the sick leaving their savings and property to the org, he said all of this has left him a nervous wreck and it seems to all be about saving face and money.

 

That claim is new to me. I witnessed or heard about many dozens of cases involving hundreds of b/s and I never ever heard of investigations like these being made in order to expose potential sinners or "apostates"... Generally, elders don't bother going too deep into cases. They shirk, drop everything and tell the victims to wait on Jehovah. If what that guy says is true, the targets must be very specific and be really worth it. Remains the question of what they do with the data collected if no actions are engaged thereafter. What's the point in collecting them ? Having a database ? Why ?

If they learn about sins through such methods and don't take proper actions in the congregations thereafter, they're covering up sins, aren't they ?

 

You must have sent this before my reply to you. It's to prepare for protest, or cases which might require a law suit, I guess they want to be in the know and prepared in advanced. Maybe it's just the American Bethel. He said that the society were paranoid, and their biggest fear is an uprising from within and information being made public. I watched a video by the layer who represented two brothers in the Menio park congregation. The brother took the org to court, and the lawyer said, that nobody wanted to represent them as the J.W's had the best lawyers and despite having evidence of money laundering, they were advised to not bother. But the brothers lawyer who was not a witness said he lost his home, his relationship everything because he knew these brothers should have won the case but they didn't. He said he played it by the book just as the brothers had asked him to, but when in court the Orgs lawyers lied, and one brother said he had threats. He said they were able to manipulate the judge and that they were more like a mafia set up than a Christian organisation. I guess if the Watchtower is going to fall, they are going a good way about speeding things up.

 

Yes, sorry. It may take me a while to write a post and when I posted mine, you had already replied to the previous one and I didn't have then the time to write a second post.

Ok, your explanations match now the understanding that I had of the situation. I guess they prefer spying on and catching big fishes instead of wasting time on the small fry.

As for their efforts to defend their cause :

"Unless Jehovah himself builds the house,
It is to no avail that its builders have worked hard on it.
Unless Jehovah himself guards the city,
It is to no avail that the guard has kept awake." - Ps127:1

Whenever Jehovah says "stop it !", they'll be caught by their own nets... They're not stronger or smarter than Him.

"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of [the] living God." - Heb10:31

We all won't put on airs and graces when He catches us for accountability but some people out there may well already have to worry about how they're gonna explain and above all justify things that can't be justified in His eyes...

 

Dear Shikinah,

I'm still musing on the guy's sentence : "because we are baptised in the name of the organisation "spirit directed organisation" they have a right over us. So it's legally ok to investigate our privacy."

What that sentence implies is wider than just its restricted field of application to the big fishes. All the JWs are involved. Between you and me, I wonder if it's legal on a worldwide basis... I'm not sure about that.

That sentence denotes a certain frame of mind, which is everything is allowed as long as it's legal. Their Bible is henceforth the civil code.... That's not because something is legal that it is fair and equitable. The raison d'être of a Court of Law is to enforce the law. They don't have as prerogatives to decide whether a law is fair or not. That's not their role. They're just there to apply what others have decided. They're very much alike the Pharisees of old. What matters to them is the whole system they've built and their perks. They trample principles to brace their authority and dominion. However, they forget that blood makes poor mortar... That's the very reason why the Jewish religious leaders put Jesus to death : "If we let him alone this way, they will all put faith in him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation.â€￾ " - John11:48

"This one came to him in the night and said to him: “Rabbi, we know that you as a teacher have come from God; for no one can perform these signs that you perform unless God is with him.â€￾" - John3:2

 

I am going to try and find the section of the video which mentions this, just to make sure I haven't miss quoted it, but I'm sure I didn't, because that part made me take note of what he was saying. In the mean time here is a video where he is talking about how 70% of the anointed are looked down upon and not shown the respect they use to have.
Part three anointed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi04iOveQJM

Part four anointed info http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwN2fW00cWs

 

I'm pretty sure it's illegal, but in any case, by all means, it's IMMORAL - if it's true, that is. However, i would like to see further corroboration to this story. Besides, six screens has a strong sensationalist approach to these things, and they don't hesitate to publish stories that maybe don't check. It wouldn't surprise me though. In the "theocratic warfare" the ends justify the means, I suppose.

That being said, this chap would be the Watchtower's own Edward Snowden.

Eden

 

On part of the podcast he stated that she had a bit of a past before coming into the truth, and the gossip was too much for her, and the stress that he was going through, drove her away and he hadn't seen her for two years, nobody had heard from her. It's difficult to work out time frames, as the pod cast go's on for hours and seem older, so perhaps he found out that she had died.
Heres another video explaining how he wanted to leave but says the society said he knows too much and they would disfellowship his dad and brother who were elders, even though they had nothing on him. I find it hard to believe, but he sounds genuine.

Part 1 threats from W.T http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDCqaDZqZDE

 

It gives a completely different perspective, if it's true then I can see things unfolding pretty fast. I never heard of six screens before shame he didn't seek out Roberts site, perhaps he wanted a place to share his experience and warn others at the same time. I think the only thing saving the Watchtower right now, is that they have money for the best lawyers..so nobody wants to fight against them in fear of losing everything. But when the money runs out, they will nolonger be able to fight.

 

they don't really need money for lawyers, they have their own free as far as I know, besides they will need money and lots of it because of the many victims of child sexual abuse suing the WT.

From what I can gather they don't have a lot of cash mostly every thing is tied up in real estate, though they have sold heaps of propertly in Brooklyn and sized down the literature to save money, something tells me they are having their own problems within without the apostates, however its the information about the WT being leaked on sites that they are concerned about, trying to hide all their dirty washing from the b/s is becoming a night mare for then, any wonder they had a big out burst on human apostates at the latest DC.

They can't do much about former members with sites exposing the truth about the goings on in the org, but I think they also fear ones still active within that may talk, however they do know that most that are not really organizational witnesses are there because they hold them to ransom beause of family ties.

just a few thoughts.

 

hello all:

Most of you on this board know that I am not an apologist for the Society in any way. With that said, who even knows that this person is actually a JW. Don't get me wrong, I do not think that the Brothers at Bethel are above this kind of activity and I think they are a modern version of the Pharisees of Jesus' time, blind guides as it were, but anybody could make these types of claims. Is there really evidence that he's not some anti JW who is just making up a good story to tell?

There are so many things that the "brothers" are guilty of and responsible for without digging up maybe's and what if's. Be careful what you believe. As far as the GB not getting the respect that they used to, it's probably because they are all imposters.

frank

 

good reasonable post, that had crossed my mind and one just does not know, and I agree the WT has enough bad publicity all of their own doing one doesn't need sensationalism, though it wouldn't surprise me, they have such dishonest lawyers, doing their bidding.

 

You're right ! Although his testimony is in line with many past other ones regarding the methods of the WT's lawyers and their lack of qualms, circumspection is required when it comes to taking at face value accounts widespread on Internet. In my opinion, regarding the fact of spying on persons of interest, the lawyers would better use private detectives to that end. That being said, we all know that the GB or its zealous sleuths lurk on forums like ours, for example. That has never been a secret.

However, we never know the level of sanity, of honesty or the possible messy background of the people who unload on the WT on Internet. Unless official documents and reliable evidence are presented, it's impossible to sort out what is true and what is wrong.

And d'you remember the sentence ? : "I think the lady doth protest too much."