Calls for a Global Authority due to Covid-19

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    Just recently there have been calls from heavyweight statesmen to set up a new global authority to tackle the Covid-19 pandemic and the economic crisis it creates.

    They are Henry Kissinger, former UK primeministers Gordon Brown and Tony Blair.

    Former prime minister of UK, Tony Blair is fervently advising governments around the world how to get the Corona virus under control and how to restart the economy after the lockdown. He is running Tony Blair Institute for Global Change

    On its webpage we can learn about his work with this:

    https://institute.global/tony-blair...-blair-how-mobilise-government-fight-covid-19


    "Create one crisis-management centre. Governments should have already repositioned themselves towards crisis management. Reliance on traditional frameworks should be set aside to identify each main area where immediate action is required. At the heart of this should be the crisis centre, which should be established immediately and staffed with the most capable people. You should consider people you may not otherwise – from the army or from business logistics. All information and the most up-to-date data should flow into this team. This is the place where all key decisions should be made."

    "We have over 100 staff who were embedded in governments prior to this pandemic, and they will stay to help. In 14 countries and rising each day, we have been asked to establish or support emergency response structures in government or assist with the economic response.

    Analysis and policy work must be done now to mitigate the long-term economic damage and to prepare for recovery. Most important, there needs to be a globally coordinated response to this unprecedented global challenge."

    And in the video below Tony Blair says that he is most chocked by the absence of global coordination. (At 2:30 mark)



    The former UK prime minister Gordon Brown wants the G20 to form that global authority. He has just recently written in the magazine Financial Times things like this:

    https://www.voltairenet.org/article206855.html

    "Lastly, the G20 should tomorrow form a task force to co-ordinate the work of political leaders, medical experts and the heads of international institutions."


    Here are some interesting comments about Gordon Brown's effort to set up a temporary global government because of the crisis caused by the Covid-19 pandemic from an other source, from The Guardian:


    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-for-global-government-to-tackle-coronavirus

    "Gordon Brown has urged world leaders to create a temporary form of global government to tackle the twin medical and economic crises caused by the Covid-19 pandemic."

    "The former Labour prime minister, who was at the centre of the international efforts to tackle the impact of the near-meltdown of the banks in 2008, said there was a need for a taskforce involving world leaders, health experts and the heads of the international organisations that would have executive powers to coordinate the response."

    Jordon Brown would like to see G20 empowered:

    "Brown said there had been resistance in 2008 to using the G20 as a vehicle for tackling the financial crisis, but that it should be clear to world leaders that there was no possibility of a go-it-alone approach working."

    And lastly the super influencial statesman Henry Kissinger:


    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/k...d-new-world-order-could-set-the-world-on-fire

    Kissinger: Failure to establish post-COVID new world order ‘could set the world on fire’

    On that page we find Kissinger's statesments such as:

    “the world will never be the same after the coronavirus”

    Kissinger called for the government to launch “a parallel enterprise for the transition to the post-coronavirus order.”

    “No country, not even the U.S., can in a purely national effort overcome the virus. Addressing the necessities of the moment must ultimately be coupled with a global collaborative vision and program. If we cannot do both in tandem, we will face the worst of each.”

    However, Kissinger hinted at American leadership in this global endeavor by citing both the Marshall Plan and the Manhattan Project.

    THIS IS HUGE NEWS. THIS IS ABOUT THE EMPOWERING OF THE SEVEN HEADED BEAST IN REVELATION 13 AND THE TWO HORNED BEAST, (that is) USA, WILL ENDORSE THE AUTHORITY OF THE COMING NEW GLOBAL AUTHORITY.

    And Revelation 13 has essential information about what the consequences will be.
    And it is time to take a new look at Revelation 13. Basically everything that the WT has taught about Revelation 13 and the beast and the image of the beast and the mark of the beast is wrong.
     
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    We all need to expect the unexpected...
     
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    The coming of the beast and the persecution of those who will not worship the beast and those who will not take the mark of the beast has terrified me and I have searched to understand if it would be possible to flee and escape as did the christians from Jerusalem about 3 and half years prior to its destruction. And Ezekiel 38 actually describes the safety and security the believers in God will have. And that only in the final end will they be threatened by Gog and his armies.
    So there should be a possibility for some to flee away from the beast.
    And actually the "woman" in Revelation 12 flees to a safe place out of the dragon's reach for exactly the same time as the beast will get, namely time times and half a time.
    Yes, blessed are those who compose the woman and those who will be feeding her for 1260 days, because they will escape the persecution.
    And when Gog and his armies comes, God will wipe them out suddenly and swiftly.
     
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    Well I’m not saying I have the proper understanding of the Mark of the Beast..but I’m fairly comfortable I have worked it out to a reasonable degree ....but I’m also comfortable with having to readjust any view I may have at this time...last year even the GB said they were not sure what the Mark was....not sure what the offical line is now or if it has been readjusted..
    If you get the mark of the beast you will not be able to speak spiritual truths.
    REV! 13,17
    NIV..so that they could not buy and sell (spiritual truths ) unless they had the mark of the beast.
    The Beast is trying to close down faith...TRUE faith...this is already happening in China and Russia ...the Beast will try to muzzle the truth.....that is already happening..

    Personally I do not think there will be any escaping anywhere...
    The Christians escaped from Jerusalem ...because that’s what was required at that time...Christianity was in its birth..centralised in one place.....now it’s spread world wide...the requirements are different...some scriptures pertain to only that era.

    I have a hard time working out what scriptures apply to what time line...certain ones apply to the Christian time line ..then others apply to Jehovah’s judgement day ( which is actually the entire 1,000yrs ) and then others could attain to after the thousand years and successful defeating of death...and Satan and his minions.
    So it’s tricky and confusing...

    just as those that resided In Jerusalem (Jehovah’s city
    /people) were identified worthy of the mark by their heart mind and actions...
    It’s tied in with the buying and selling stated in revelation, and thats why Jesus encouraged people to buy the gold from him, as spiritual truths are like gold..and then we will not be (spiritually) naked or (spiritually ) exposed
    REV3:18
    I advise you to buy from me gold refined by fire so that you may also become dressed and the shame of your nakedness may not be exposed,(spiritually) and eyesalve to rub in your eyes so that you may see( spiritually)

    Proverbs 23:23
    Buy truth and never sell it, also wisdom and discipline and understanding.


    It’s true we may yet have many things taken from us because we will not bow down to the Beast.we will not sell out our spiritual treasures.....they will try to silence us.....as our Russian and Chinese brothers and sisters are experiencing...
    We may lose our employment or property because we will not sell out spiritually..even family members may leave us....thus some may then apply the buying and selling literally...and that may very well happen as it is happening in certain countries.

    As far as Ezekiel 38..I’m struggling with most of the scriptures....but especially with the timelines within it??????

    If it comforts you brother..all this confusion is part of a opportunity to express our faith....just as the Israelites cried out in anger and terror when the Pharaoh and his massive army was bearing down on them with no escape ( they were literally ready to stone Moses) ..we too will be like that.. but if we buy under standing and wisdom from Jehovah we will not be as terrified as they were.
    Besides Jan..only a fool would not be scared of what lies ahead....yes I’m scared...
    Hang in there brother..
    LUKE 21:28
    Contemporary English Bible
    When all this starts happening, stand up straight and be brave. You will soon be set free...
     
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    Thinking, that I have missed. Do you know where and in what circumstances they said that?
     
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    The newly elected president, March 4, 1933, of the Uniter States said; “The only thing to fear is fear itself.” ( 32nd U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt - March 4, 1933)

    A stronger voice said;
    So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.” ( Isa 14:10 NIV )

“Fear not, for I am with you; Be not dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you, Yes, I will help you, I will uphold you with My righteous right hand.” ( Isa 14:10 NKJV )

    We should not have fear what man can do to us. For Jehovah, death is a temporary state. It is like a deep sleep without dreams. We all enter that state every night, when we sleep. “Non-REM (NREM) sleep is dreamless sleep. ... About 80% of sleep is NREM sleep. If you sleep 7-8 hours a night, all but maybe an hour and a half is spent in dreamless NREM sleep. Dreams are penetrable; it has been found experimentally that one can communicate with a person who is dreaming.”

    NREM = Non Rapid Eye Movement. When we are in a dream state our eyes actually move, as they follow the objects we are observing in the dream. NREM sleep state is what Ecclesiastes 9:5 is speaking about. “For the living know that they will die; But the dead know nothing, And they have no more reward, For the memory of them is forgotten.” You are conscious of nothing, you are in a mental state of death! Of course, Jehovah remembers everyone who has ever lived.:) The scripture quoted is speaking of the human condition.:(

    The heavy metal band Queensrÿche had a song; Silent Lucidity, which covers the communication with a person who is dreaming. Or, a person who has experienced a bad dream and is still not quite awake.
    http://e-jw.org/index.php?threads/what-music-do-you-listen-to.54/page-78
     
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    From memory it was on the orgs site....perhaps last year...and I think it was Brother Sanderson ..not a hundred percent sure on that tho...
    He said something like they were not quiet sure of what the Mark of the Beast entailed and we would have to wait and see as time went on....that’s loosely paraphrasing it....
     
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    Here is the link to the WTBTS answer to what the 666 means.
    https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/what-does-666-mean/
     
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    Well in light of what Bitter Winters/Forum 18 etc are bringing out and the way the world is going that current article sounds very feasible to me...I had not read that Bro T so that is a lesson for me to keep up to date.

    The political Beast in Communist countries are already demanding their Mark on all faiths...hence the tortures arrests, and re-education camps.,and the legal requisition of all their properties.
    It will happen In The western worlds as well....and I don’t think we are too far away from it.
    Our testing of our allegiance to Jehovah is now..and will be tested even further in the very near future..
    Who knows if this One World Religion plan will gather momentum and be our testing...so many what ifs..
    Jan I’m sure as it keeps evolving you will be able to identify it...and you will be okay...
    I remember two years ago a brother from Bethel warned us things were going to get very serious very quickly and to expect the unexpected and our tests would come one after the other with no let up.
    He also said no one may ever see weather we take the mark of the beast or not...
    I thought that last bit a very interesting statement...
     
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    WE, as those who follow Jesus and HIS God Jehovah, know who is responsible for the world system. The Greek word is kosmos; “an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government”.
    The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, ‘I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. If you worship me, it will all be yours.’”( Luke 4:5-7 NIV )

    Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.” ( 1 John 2:15 NKJV )

     
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    Here in the so-called United States, we have a person in high office who thinks He is King.
    The government has stopped ALL churches from gathering together because of the virus.
    It’s the 6 foot measure to prevent social contact. A few churches are defying that order.

    The USA has: Amendments To The Constitution: (The first ten Amendments, usually called the Bill of Rights, went into effect December 15, 1791.)

    Amendment One:
    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof , or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

    Many citizens and politicians call this form of government: A democracy. It is not! It is a Republic.
    How so? “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.” The original pledge was accepted in 1892. This latest version was accepted in 1954.

    The existing government is forbidding religious groups to assemble in their houses of worship. It will likely end up in the Supreme Court. And, it is likely that the Court will back the government, with the argument: The government has the right to this order, to prevent the public from the spread of this deadly disease.

    I point out the fact, that the so-called United States is not a democracy, but a republic. The God they are under is not God Almighty. The God of this system ( Greek = kosmos ), according to the Bible, is none other than Satan.’” ( Luke 4:5-7 NKJV )

    If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.” ( Joh 15:19 NKJV ) Spoken by Jesus Christ.

    The majority of the people, living on the earth, believe they have control of all the governments on earth. They are wrong and blind to the real ruler of the governments of mankind.
     
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    Mark of the Beast. So many claim that it is not a litteral mark. For me it is 100% a litteral mark that will be used to buy or sell. People use cerdit and debit cards with contact less chips. The next step could well be to insert a RFID chip in under the skin and use that to pay for groceris.

    In that case Satan would like us to think that the mark of the beast is not a tangible thing so that everyone would take that chip and continue to be a part of this world.

    I see a spiritual aspect in a litteral mark of the beast. It is to separate us from this system before its destruction.
     
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    well I guess everyone must work it out for themselves ...but that would mean every poor beggar in every land would require the chip....but I respect your right to make your own decisions wether I agree with it or not.
     
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    Yes, I have heard that in some places the authorities have already chipped homeless people so that they can always identify them, even when they are without papers.
     
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    That chip under the skin is already being used on animals. My dogs have them. If they happen to get lost, they are taken to the vet's office and the information is decoded. They call the owner for return.:)

    It won't be long before they convince the general public to accept a chip for "true" identification. At the present time, in the USA, we are required to have a "true identity card" to prove who we are. These are read by authorities; when you are stopped by police, or intend to fly with any airline. It won't be long before it will be inserted under the skin.
    There will be a "promotional plan" showing how good it will be to "protect everyone" from identity theft. Hhmmmm.:rolleyes:
     
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    I'm watching a television news program where Jose Andres is proposing a program for feeding all the countries. They should have a way to allow people everywhere to buy food. How about putting this plan to allow ALL nations to be able go anywhere in the world. One world, one government! You are required to be a member! No membership; you can't buy, sell, or trade.:(
     
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    Over in Australia there are news articles talking about our PM wanting to have voluntary signing up to a app on our phones to track us for the Covid19 virus...then we MAY get our restrictions removed.
    He wants to try his Plan A first..which is Voluntary...he may have to go to plan B if we don’t sign up for it.
    Which is enforced tracking by our mobile phones...I have no doubt this will come Into effect at some stage.
    Much like China....BUT unless that is used to deny us our right to worship...and it may very well be eventually....it is no different to our Medicare card of which you can do nothing in this country without it.
    If you do not have a Medicare card number you do not exist in Australia...so does that make that the Mark of the Beast?
    But the Mark of the beast..must involve our worship..or deny our right to worship our God Jehovah in some way...
    Can this form of ID make our life unbearably difficult....off course...it may be used against true Christians eventually to deny them gathering together or even employment because they will not renounce their faith.
    BUT...it cannot change our mind and heart conditions...

    We do not need a a chip to stop us from buying and selling ....we ALREADY cannot do that unless we have a Medicare number or a taxation number..or now a credit/debit card number.
    Hence the Mark of the Beast you All are talking about is already here and has been here all my life...but not in the form of a chip.
    Soon we will not be able to draw out anymore than $10,000 dollars in cash from our own bank accounts,
    Already people have been refused permission to draw out $5,000 from their accounts.
    They have been questioned on the purpose of the money and denied access to their monies.
    This has happened recently.
    This makes life frustrating and much harder...but at this point..they have not been able to affect our heart and mind and thus our loyalty to our God....
    Soon Australia may go Cash free...it is Satan tightening his spiteful and ugly personality on mankind..because he is going down...he has lost his freedoms so he wants us to experience some of the agony he is..
    Since I was a kid we have always had the chip....in different forms of essential numbers to exist....they have just technically refined it ...but it isn’t the Mark of the Beast that revelation is talking about.

    Revelation is a spiritually symbolic book....not everything is meant to be taken literally....
    We cannot run or hide from it...we have to face it....and deal with it...
    And we have to ask ourselves....what does Jehovah consider the Mark of the Beast....What sort of Mark is he interested in.


    Jeremiah 17:10 ESV
    I the Lord search the heart and test the mind according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds.

    Mathew 22:37
    ESV and he said to him ..You shall love your Lord your God with all your heart and with all your mind with all your soul

    Psalms 19:14 ESV
    Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in your sight O Lord my rock and my redeemer

    1 Chronicles 28:9
    And you Solomon my son, know the God of your father and serve him with a whole heart and with a willing mind for the Lord Searches all hearts and u der stands every plan and thought. If you seek him he will be found by hi you, but if you forsake him he will cast you off forever.

    1 Timothy ESV
    The aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith

    The chip may force us into poverty...and yes we may be required to deny our God...but is it really what Jehovah is talking about in Revelation ?
    Satan does want a One World Government. And it seems a one world Religion...and this chip and all these numbers and papers may force us into this ....but that’s not the Mark Jehovah is looking for...and unless that chip forces us to disown Jehovah in some way..( which it may or may not )

    The Good marks are
    Galatians 6:17
    NASB....From now on let no one trouble me for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus .
    KJB
    From now on let no man trouble me for I near branded on my body the Marks of Jesus.

    Ezekial 9:4
    Go thru out the city of Jerusalem said the Lord and put a Mark on the foreheads of the men sigh
    ING and groaning over all the abominations committed there.

    I’m not saying that the Mark of the Beast will not be hard to bear ..it will be.....because we MUST carry a torture stake....
    But Jehovah is looking for the Spiritual invisible Mark that may be on our forehead and hand....is it the Beast Mark...or is it His Mark,,
    It’s invisible and only he will be able to see it...only he can see the weeds and the wheat...only he can discern who has the Mark of the Beast .
     
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    Here is a post of mine back on August 29, 2017. It is long, with many references. From the introduction, I indicate that it was written in 2013. It is #1 and #4 under Mark Of The Beast?
     
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    My original post is located under “In The News”, then select “Mark Of The Beast”.
     
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    No, that is self deception. Many will take the literal mark of the beast and justify it with such reasoning.
    There are examples in the Bible about literal acts of obedience and disobedience.
    The first example is the literal fruit Adam and Eve took and ate. That was how God tested them. It was not by spiritual concepts but by real things. Also the three hebrews were tested. They had to literally refuse to bow down to Nebucadnessar's golden image. The golden image was not a spiritual concept, but a real thing.

    And in many countries sometime in life citizens are required to literally pledge allegiance to the state.
    And in a such situation God will not be pleased if we do that out of fear for punishment. We should not reason that 'I will just pledge allegiance without meaning that from the heart'.

    That is why cowards will end up in the second death.

    Revelation 21:8 But as for the cowards and those without faith and those who are disgusting in their filth and murderers and the sexually immoral and those practicing spiritism and idolaters and all the liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This means the second death.”

    So, we must fear God more than people. Then we will do the right decision.
    And that fear for the mark of the beast system should promt us to find how to escape that.
    We know that it is acceptable to flee, according to Jesus himself. And in fact the Bible speaks about a flight in the end time.
     

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