Calls for a Global Authority due to Covid-19

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    I think perhaps you have misunderstood me,,,probably the way I write..but I agree with you that we must make a stand.
    Every time some one refuses to salute the flag and pledge allegiance to their country is an act of obedience ..and that in itself is defying a form of the Mark of the Beast....

    when you refuse to take part in pagan holidays such as Xmas and Valentine’s Day or Halloween...that is showing courage and obedience to Jehovah..it is an act of loyalty and a form of denying the Mark of the Beast.

    I agree with all this..but we cannot flee from it....as in the way you speak of....like going to Queensland etc...
    Every single day we probably refuse the Mark of the Beast is some way or another.
    You escape the Mark of The Beast by your loyalty and obedience to Jehovah and his laws and ways....

    yes Christians must flee...but that’s from BTG....
    The three Hebrews did not flee...they stood up and bravely showed their loyalty to their God Jehovah..
    The Golden image can come in any form...

    where will the poor man who can barley feed his family flee too...where will the young honest hearted child with unbelieving parents flee too....
    You are so right..we should be very fearful and flee from the Mark of the Beast..but we do that every single day by standing firm in tough times of testings...
    Communistic countries are displaying extremely strong Marks of the Beast on believers....
    If you mean like that then yes...if I was a follower of Jehovah and Jesus I would certainly flee China if I could...but what of the ones who cannot?
    Perhaps I am not understanding what you mean....
     
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    I’ll go look...
     
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    I would really like to help you to understand what the mark of the beast is for your own good. Out of care and natural affection to you. And for the sake of God and Christ. So please consider this: The mark of the beast is clearly according to Revelation 13 a thing that will be introduced after the 42 months begins. Not before. So that means we are not there yet. So there is no mark of the beast yet. So the mark of the beast can not be anything yet, nor spiritual nor physical. We don't either know the name of the beast, the number should be 666 by calculation.
    And that beast has not yet got the authority. We hardly know who the beast will be. I guessed earlier that it would become G7, but now there is a real effort to give G20 a such authority. I am looking to see what will happen.
    So there is no mark of the beast yet. Not either image of the beast. It will only come after the start of the 42 month period.

    So the mark of the beast will be something new, real and specific. And as says the Bible, I repeat, no one can buy or sell without it. So it will be a device placed as says the Bible into the hand or the front. And it will be a device the authorities that are working for the beast will put on people. It is not something we put in ourselves or on ourselves. No it is done by the authorities. This is similar to obligatory vaccines that are done by authorized people.
     
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    ..thank you Jan for your genuineness
     
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    While reading Jan’s comment comparing the worship of Nebuchadnezzar’s golden image, Jan states “The golden image was not a spiritual concept, but a real thing.” I have to disagree in the concept. It was a spiritual concept. It was not their “literal god”, it represented the god of the Babylonians. So, it can be considered as a “spiritual representation”. The same holds true about the “fruit” that Eve took and ate. Although it was a literal fruit, it represented God’s right to rule his creations. Adam was not God, but the “image” of God. The Hebrew word which we translate to image, is tselem (tseh-lem), having the meaning “to shade”, or a shadow. The next time you go outside on a sunny day, look down. What do you see? It’s not really YOU. It’s a shadow of YOU.

    This Hebrew word is also the Aramaic word used in Daniel 3, describing the golden image. It was a literal structure made of gold. It had literal dimensions, but it represented the spiritual idea of the god of the Babylonians.

    We have to remember that all of the Revelation was spiritual. It was given in “signs” that represented future spiritual events, and those, would have literal consequences. The “mark” on the forehead and hand is Spiritual. It is not a visible “mark”. It represents a persons “thoughts”=ideas=forehead, and the “right hand”=power=actions. What people think and do that is not what God wants us to do.

    Here are some spiritual things that people do: salute the flag of your nation (represents a government). Use your hand of power to help these governments, by supporting their ideas, voting for their representatives.
    Following false worship in religious organizations that promote these governments. Following false prophets.
    Believing these organizations and governments will save the world. These are both spiritual acts. Give your mind and actions to the world. ( Lu 4:5-7 ) If YOU fail to follow them, YOU will not be accepted, and eventually YOU will not be able to buy, sell, or trade.
     
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    No, but the one world-still-future financial authority, the sevenheaded beast will create a system that will require a device to be put in the hand or the forehead. And if someone does not have that device, the mark of the beast, he will not be able to buy or sell literally.
     
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    If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck

    If even many atheist are explicitly referring to this upcoming system of financial control as the mark of the beast well case closed.
     
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    Jehovah's witnesses wait since long for UN to become empowered. But they should understand that before that the sevenheaded beast in Revelation 13 must get the power for 42 months. And I found some additional information on a such beast preparing to rule, to put in a new financial system.

    I just got an idea to google "g20 global financial governance".
    And this is what came up:

    https://www.globalfinancialgovernance.org/report-of-the-g20-epg-on-gfg/overview/

    And here below are some interesting quotes, they at G20 want the power for 3 years. Revelatiion 13 says the beast will get the power for 42 months, in other words 3 and half years. Quite close to that.

    Quote: "If the G20 needs to constitute a working group to drive major new system-wide initiatives, the group should ideally operate for a period of no more than three years.

    An effective forum is required to ensure this major reorientation of the system of development finance. However, there is currently no effective forum with universal membership that has the necessary systemwide remit – to steer the shifts required to ensure coherence and complementarity among the IFIs as well as with other major development partners. It will require dedicated steering over three years to move to this new landscape, building on current initiatives in the IFIs. A clear system of metrics to track impact and value for money should be established, which will also ensure continuity of the reforms beyond that period. A G20-led Group of Deputies, with representation from key non-G20 constituencies and the IFIs, reporting periodically to Ministers, will be the most effective way to fill this gap over the next three years before handing the coordinating role to the heads of the IFIs."
     
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    That may be a part of what will be required. Just as the requirements for bowing to the Golden Image.
     
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    Here is something to think about; What can we learn about trying to guess about the “end time”?
    Way back in the year 165 AD, there was a plague named after the Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, whose family name, Antoninus, has become associated with the epidemic. It was called the Antonine Plague of 165 to 180 AD. (15 years.)


    Marcus Aurelius Antoninus died in 180. The disease broke out again nine years later, according to the Roman historian Dio Cassius, and caused up to 2,000 deaths a day in Rome, one quarter of those who were affected, which gives the disease a mortality rate of about 25%. The total deaths have been estimated at 5 million, and the disease killed as much as one third of the population in some areas and devastated the Roman army. ( Wikipedia )

    Were Christians living at that time believing it was the “end time”? Maybe!

    “Be yourself and think for yourself; and while your conclusions may not be infallible, they will be nearer right than the conclusions forced upon you.”- Elbert Hubbard ;)

    Learn more at: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=antonine+plague&t=ffsb&ia=web&iax=about
     
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    Top Ten Most Powerful Nations On Earth in 2020, based on the analysis of US News & World Report.
    Note that this list is different from the media company’s overall ranking of the best countries in the world. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/power-rankings

    United States
    Russia
    China
    United Kingdom
    Germany
    France
    Japan
    Israel
    Saudi Arabia*
    United Arab Emirates* Saudi Arabia was replaced by South Korea, at 9, and moved to 10.

    * Replaced in number of power.

    The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.” ( Rev 13:1 NKJV ) The horns of an animal are its weapon of power, for aggression and defense.

    We have covered this subject before, without a conclusive agreement. Let’s see if we can agree on a few things here: The list of nations above are from the US News and World Report. This year 2020, South Korea replaced Saudi Arabia at 9, and was moved to 10, replacing United Arab Emirates, which moves to 11.

    Here is the question: Do these nations represent the heads and horns of the beast that comes out of the sea?
    Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. ( Rev 17:15 ) “But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind.” ( Jam 1:6 NKJV ) The sea represents, figuratively, the nations. Each of these nations is made up of people who doubt the existence of God. Each wave makes a sea.

    The beast coming out of the sea, represents peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. The horns and crowns represent the individual nations powers to rule all of mankind. ( Rev 13:1-4 ) This is the first beast. The second beast comes out of the earth. ( Rev 13:11 ) This second beast gets its power from the first beast. ( Rev 13:11-15 ) Where did the first beast get its power? ( Rev 13:2 ) Ahh, there was also another with “seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads.”, that many forget. ( Rev 13:3 ) Hhhmmm. The only difference is the number of crowns; being seven. “Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.” (Rev 12:12b NKJV )

    Which head of the beast of the sea receives the death blow and revives? ( Rev 13:3 NKJV ) Could it be the number one power? Could it be a plague like Covid-19? The worlds nation with the biggest economy crashes down. Hhmmm.
     
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    Hi Tsaphah, interesting times, are they not? I can not for sure say what is represented by the sudden sword stroke to one of the heads of the seven headed wild beast. At one time I thought it would be a personal attack on President Trump. Then I thought that it could be the blow the Yellow Vest protests delivered to France since autum 2018. Then just recently Boris Johnson, the Prime Minister of UK was near death when he was at his worst moment with Covid-19.
    But I think something that is happening or has recently happened is symbolized by the "sword-srtoke".

    And now there is a serious effort to empower a G20 task force. Until now G20 has not had the authority to force their decisions on the world and on its member states. But there is a serious effort to change that.

    Yesterday I found some additional information about that.

    https://www.globalgovernmentforum.c...s-call-for-g20-to-coordinate-corona-response/

    https://english.bdi.eu/article/news/the-g20-leading-forum-for-global-governance/
     
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    Hi Jan,
    I’m on an old computer which can’t be upgraded. The second site you listed says it is unsecured.
    “english.bdi.eu uses an invalid security certificate. The owner of english.bdi.eu has configured their website improperly”.

    So, I cannot access the information. However, I was able to access the first site.

    As long as Trump is ((King)) There will not likely be any world government. He is a narcissist who believes only he should rule the world. He is an idiot, and a poor liar! He lies so often, he can’t remember all of them.

    “If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything.” - Mark Twain

    Unfortunately, Trump hasn’t learned that lesson. “In religion and politics, people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second hand, and without examination.”- Mark Twain

    As you can probably conclude, Samuel Clemens/Mark Twain is a favorite of mine.

    One reason to believe that a world government will never secede is the fact that all men are selfish. They only care about what benefits them. There are only two goals, power and money. History tells the story. The problem with money is that there isn’t enough to go around. And, it’s all intangible, slated, numbers. Trump’s idea of money is that if you need more, you print it!

    https://english.bdi.eu/article/news/the-g20-leading-forum-for-global-governance/

    The Star is keeping track of every false claim U.S. President Donald Trump has made since his inauguration on Jan. 20, 2017. Why? Historians say there has never been such a constant liar in the Oval Office. We think dishonesty should be challenged. We think inaccurate information should be corrected. And we think the sheer frequency of Trump’s inaccuracy is a central story of his presidency.
    If Trump is a serial liar, why call this a list of “false claims,” not lies? You can read our detailed explanation here. The short answer is that we can’t be sure that each and every one was intentional. In some cases, he may have been confused or ignorant. What we know, objectively, is that he was not telling the truth.:eek::confused:
     
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    Hi Tsaphah, I copied the main points from that webpage for you:

    https://english.bdi.eu/article/news/the-g20-leading-forum-for-global-governance/

    The G20: Leading Forum for Global Governance

    If the G20 did not exist today, it would have to be invented. From rampant protectionism to pandemics and climate change – the global economy is facing a multitude of challenges. The communiqués of the G20 are not binding under international law. Nonetheless, the G20 is an important agenda-setter and helps to create trust and understanding in the international community.

    Since the 1980s, the role of emerging economies in the global economy has grown continuously. In 1999, the Finance Ministers and Central Bank Governors of the G20 met for the first time to manage the financial crises in Asia, Latin America, and Asia. The crisis demonstrated that the G7 alone were not able to handle a crisis of such magnitude.

    The G20 Leaders’ Summit
    The U.S. subprime crisis, which in 2008 escalated into the biggest global financial and economic crisis in more than 80 years, reiterated the need for policy coordination among the G20 countries. Drawing on the lessons learnt from the Great Depression of the 1930s, the heads of states and governments of the G20 countries met in 2008 to coordinate their fiscal, monetary and trade policy. In the 1930s, competitive currency devaluation and rampant protectionism had led the crisis, which lasted for years, to spread around.

    Policy coordination across the G20 states allowed for stabilisation of international financial markets, maintenance of global trade to the best extent possible, and the initiation of regulatory reform. The coordinated national bank bailouts and economic stimulus programs as well as the G20’s commitment to refrain from protectionist measures were among the most important steps in overcoming the crisis.

    Sustainable and Inclusive Growth
    The mandate of the G20 is laid down in the Framework for Strong, Balanced, and Sustainable Growth adopted at the 2009 Pittsburgh Summit. Accordingly, the G20 is to focus on the coordination of fiscal, financial, and monetary policy and the promotion of structural reforms, foreign trade, investment, and sustainable growth. The Pittsburgh Summit designated the G20 as the “central forum for international economic cooperation.”

    However, the G20 agenda is increasingly becoming broader. In addition to the core economic and financial policy agenda, it now includes issues such as development, Internet governance, digitalization, energy, climate, health, and migration. The summit agendas are determined by the priorities of each G20 Presidency. For example, the German G20 Presidency founded the G20 Compact with Africa to foster economic growth and development in Africa.

    The G20 has both the necessary weight and legitimacy to play a central role in global economic governance. Its members are not only responsible for 89 percent of global GDP and around 60 percent each of global merchandise exports and imports, but also account for a good two-thirds of the world’s population.

    Operating Principles of the G20
    The G20 is an informal forum rather than an organization and holds no permanent secretariat. Instead, the rotating presidency – in close coordination with the previous and following presidencies (Troika) – is responsible for the G20 agenda, as well as the organization of working processes, meetings, and events. All decisions need to be taken by consensus.

    The informal character of the G20 is both the weakness and strength of the institution. As its decisions are not binding under international law, its success depends largely on the willingness of its members to implement the joint declarations. On the other hand, it offers the necessary flexibility to find compromises between its members.

    Once every year, the heads of state and government come together at the G20 Summit to summarize their joint decisions in the G20 Declaration. In addition to the Summits, various meetings of G20 ministers and G20 working groups take place several times each year. The G20 also works closely with international institutions and civil society. The G20 Presidencies are flanked by extensive civil society engagement. In eight dialogue fora – Business20, Civil20, Labour20, Science20, Think20, Urban20, Women20 and Youth 20 – social actors from all G20 countries actively participate in the G20 process.
     
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    I am hopeful any way. Even to the contrary. Because USA is part of the G20. And I believe they can pressure Trump to get along, because Trump's poll numbers are bad now. As long as the economy was showing good numbers his approval rating was good.
    And the empowering of the G20 is with the promise to restore the economy. So Trump has no options than to play along.
    In addition Revelation 13:6 hints at the thing that Trump will be involved in the seven headed beast. Because it says:

    " And it opened its mouth in blasphemies against God to blaspheme his name and his dwelling place, even those residing in heaven."

    That is very Trumpesk, because he has no problems to latch out with humiliating words.

    They say that Trump is at the moment furious that his poll numbers are bad. They were so good before this Covid-19 pandemic hit USA.
    And I can imagine that Trump could be angry at God for allowing this crisis to disturb to "Make America Great Again".
     
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    Jan, thanks for copying that information.

    One thing mentioned in the G20 issue of money is global economy. It is not likely that the USA will accept another form different than the dollar. If we look closer to the reason that caused World War One, it was really about money, and who controlled the value of it. That, and the control of power. There were two major issues that affected the ruling Windsor family and the creation of the “Federal Reserve”, as regarding the international “money cabal” to control the form and value of money.

    It was put into effect in 1914. It became the cause of the murder/assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria on 28 June 1914 in Sarajevo, which started WWI. It is all about smoke and mirrors. The value of money is all about numbers and the value placed on them. The recent financial situation shows the truth about money. The president of the USA said it best, “just print more of what you need!” There is nothing of value behind it. Let’s just say we will give you 16 trillion dollars! But, it’s only a number with nothing of value to back it up. When someone without power prints money, it’s called counterfeit. If a government prints it, it is considered legitimate, even when there is nothing of value to back it up.They will tell your bank to put $11,000 electronically into your private account. Now, you can spend it, and the numbers are transferred around. :confused::D

    The article about the G20 was written by a person from Great Britain. (Smile) Use of words and spelling. (Smile again) Guess what got the English speaking countries out of the depression? WWII!
    Started by Germany. It brought about strong economies. Construction of weapons of war created jobs.
    All of the ideas about “extensive civil society engagement” cannot work with a president who doesn’t understand the concept of the words.

    G20 will go the way of the United Nations, as far as Trump is concerned. He has no idea about what is going on in the world, with the pandemic. He doesn’t understand the word. He has no clue about this virus and the devastation it causes. He has no clue of history, religion, or philosophy, and there connection to world events.
     
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    The following comments come from a 16 year old, “Why should we waste time studying dead people? We should spend that time studying live people, today!” That 16 year old finally became an historian of sorts. He served time in the military between the Korean and Viet Nam wars, received instruction in philosophy, experienced life in the San Francisco bay area of the 60’s and 70’s. Covered and wrote news and TV reports of the Berkeley riots, days as a “hippy”, a news writer, TV reporter, and president of a Historical Society covering the time from the 49er gold rush, to present day. Whew!!

    Philosophy and Politics are bed partners. They go together like love and marriage.

    “Without history,” historian Donald Kagan observed, “we are the prisoners of the accident of where and when we were born.” The post-coronavirus order is coming; there is no going back to normal. While transitions like this are rare, they have happened before and we should heed the lessons of history. The stakes could not be higher: If we repeat the errors of 1919, we may eventually remember the coronavirus as the precursor to an even bigger disruption—the World Crisis I, perhaps, to climate change’s World Crisis II. We have the chance now to chart a different course—and navigate the history of our times toward fairer seas. ( By Ed Fishman - Politico Magazine 05/03/2020 )

    Donald Trump will never obey Kissinger! Trump would/will likely bring up the alleged war crimes of Henry Kissinger. These were written about in a book by Christopher Hitchens in 2001. Hitchens died from hospital acquired pneumonia on 15 December 2011. So, he won’t be a witness, but his writings will likely be quoted by Trump. Also, Kissinger is 96, going on 97, May 27.

    Chinese State Councillor Wang Yi. Said that Xi and Trump reached an important consensus on the healthy and stable development of bilateral ties. That was before the coronavirus took the headlines.
    Xi said attention should be paid to “the increase in negative voices related to China in the United States”, without elaborating.

    We shall see! :rolleyes:
     
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    Trump thinks that Xi is his friend and asked him to help win the next election. It is deeper than that.

    I could laugh about the I.D. Chip implanted into each person as the “Mark of the Beast”. But I think it might already have been accomplished. It is called a “cell phone”. Does anyone realize that they are being location tracked, conversations recorded, items purchased, friends and family recorded, and stored in “the cloud”? Who is the beast? Read “The Beasts of Revelation”. Then, think about it.

    A few days ago, I watched the news, showing people here in the US, tearing down their “once upon a time” Heroes/false gods. Remember: thousands of years ago nations had their statues of their Gods. The same holds true today. Gods/statues of former leaders are being torn down. They weren’t real Gods to begin with. Today, people don't think the virus is as deadly as told. They are stupid enough to not take precautions, until they get the virus. This may be one of the plagues mentioned in Revelation. Who knows? It could be just one of the ways that the Beast from the earth accomplishes Its goal.
     
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    Yes, they already have one. It's called a "Cell Phone"! :eek::)
     

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