"Cherish Your Privilege Of Working With Jehovah"

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    Taken from the Watchtower (Study Edition) dated October 15, 2014.
    Pages 23-27.

    In paragraphs 10-15, the article speaks about those who serve at the Bethel branches.

    The branch closures are referred to as "merges." This is "corporate speak." When translated, this means that it wasn't financially viable to continue to operate a branch facility so the Society made a decision to close it and "merge" it with another branch.

    There are experiences mentioned in the paragraphs of brothers and sisters who were reassigned to serve at a new branch, in a different country.

    Paragraph 15 mentions that some of the Bethelites are reassigned to serve as pioneers.

    I'm curious - how do these brothers and sisters get along financially? What if they have spent most of their adult lives working at Bethel and then got "laid off" from there? How will they get on if they don't have any life savings or superannuation? What if they don't have a trade or a skill that can be used in the secular world? Or what if they are a mature-age worker? (Sometimes a person's age can go against them if they are looking for work later in life.)

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    Do not search for Beth′el, Do not go to Gil′gal or pass over to Be′er-she′ba, For Gil′gal will certainly go into exile, And Beth′el will come to nothing. 6 Search for Jehovah, and keep living, So that he does not burst out like a fire on the house of Joseph, Consuming Beth′el, with no one to extinguish it. 7 You turn justice into wormwood, And you cast righteousness to the earth.(Amos 5)

    Could the closing of Bethel homes have something to do with Amos 5?
     
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    Probably does, and there is more to come. And it is in prophecies Bethel ignores when applied to them.

    Since Israel was the first to undergo a judgment of Jehovah (Hos1:4-7; Isa28), long before the destructive judgment of Jerusalem by the Babylonians dethroning the Davidic line of kings, the prophets who foretold that earlier judgment can be applied to modern Bethel, because like Israel in Isaiah, Hosea, Amos, Micah and Joel, as early prophets, this judgment is not a finality, it prepares the second witnessing, it purifies the ministry.

    Like Israel's ancient judgment in prophecy of those prophets, it was a warning to Jerusalem, and soon it will be also a divine warning to the modern house of anointed Christians and Jehovah's witnesses and others perceiving it later.

    So you can, for example, read Hosea and see modern Bethel all over the place. Know how Bethel is now calling themselves "mother"?



    (Hosea 2:2) Carry on a legal case with your mother; carry on a legal case, for she is not my wife and I am not her husband.

    (Hosea 2:5) For their mother has committed fornication.

    (Hosea 4:5) And I will put your mother to silence.


    Thus unlike Jeremiah and Ezekiel who foretold the Babylonian judgment on Jerusalem well after that one on Israel, most of Isaiah, all or most of Micah, Amos and Hosea is applicable to the earlier Israel judgment by the Assyrians as God's instrument upon Israel, Modern Bethel's counterpart. Read Micah, and think Bethel, and you will see the similarities in today's Bethel based apostasy. I think Hosea is very telling now. That is why those earlier prophets are there, for final application today, with a precursor judgment on apostate Bethel as the modern Israel "ruling house" (Hos1:4) parallel.

    (Hosea 1:4) ...I must cause the royal rule of the house of Israel to cease.



    But Bethel's judgment, the most serious apostasy since that of the Pharisees, of course will be fully foretold by God, and fully "truth thrown to the earth" by lawless Bethel (Dan8:12), the modern Pharisees, MOL, and the picture of "Israel's" "ruling house", and illegal priesthood now located at subverted Bethel.

    Bethel diverts attention to Christendom judgment and Babylon the Great. For example Isaiah 28 comes on Bethel's "refuge of a lie", not "Christendom", for example. And this is why Bethel uses the Christendom judgment within Babylon the Great overall, prematurely applied regularly, to conceal the judgment coming on them as 1 Peter 4:17 priority requirement, imo.

    They also use the premature "the end" delusion to paralyze JW thinking (2Thess2:1-2) and to cover up the more significant meaning of their terminal and matured apostasy. (Rev8:10-12) Premature expectation, drilled into the JW head regularly, is how the JW mind is now suspended in a false prophecy (by premature misapplication), and that aids the Bethel apostate process overall from not being easily detected for many JWs today.

    Instead JWs think "it can end tomorrow" thinking of "the end of the world"; But in reality Bethel is what can end "tomorrow" (Matt13:36-42), the world will continue going according to the prophecy and the 8th King goal. Thus JWs end up in a hoax when Bethel really starts to hit the fan. JWs will be deluded, misled, and lost in that darkness Bethel has created, as foretold, imo.
     
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    Yup, agree with everyone, well said. I gave up on the WT and read the Bible from paragraph 4 - end, not that it's so 'bad' necessarily, just a waste of time.

    Organization, yada yada.
     
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    Yes, Bethel brilliantly (2Cor11:13-15) uses former truths, to aid concealing modern developments. JWs are literally being "blinded" by the use of truth, so it is not that "bad" in content, its just the advancement of truth has been fully retarded.

    And the WT is now the main bottle of "sleeping pills", sorry to say. But this is what told me more and more, this is no longer accidental, there has to be "brothers" right IN Bethel, directing this "operation of error", from "error", that is accidents, to "the lie", now purposeful deception. (2Thess2:11-12)

    They started ruling prematurely at Bethel, just like Paul said "ruling as kings without us", and they began worshiping "personalities" as in Jude, and now God also shut the lights off on them, especially when (to begin with) they stabbed Knorr and Franz in the back and seized the "group dictatorship" of Bethel. The GB is the "root of all evil" at Bethel, modern Revelation 8:10-11.

    And they just use an "echo chamber" and Bethel "parrot" to constantly repeat the past, to keep JWs in a house of smoke and mirrors today, so as to remain undercover and undetected by use of truth, sheepskin and tradition to hide the modern Bethel wolf under. Now lulled and ear tickled JWs drift to Niagara Falls, and think "paradise just up ahead brothers!, hold the course!". Sad.

    The Bible is what exposes Bethel, the WT aids their cover, "smooth words". (Dan11:32a)
     
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    I absolutely agree. You're on fire 4winds :)

    Immediately after Daniel 11:32's apostasy comes the judgment against Jehovah's house, giving us further details into the MOL in 2 Thess 2.

    It would seem that we JWs are either a premature reaction to the speeding up of history making events (similar to the 7th day adventists in 1840s), or this places us in the time of the apostasy preceding Christ's authentic return. Either way, 'the people who know their God will prevail and act effectively.', which should be our primary goal.
     
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    Yes more "good news" has to go forth, Rev10:11 to Matt24:14 completion. (Rev10:5-11) As Daniel 11:32b will also be successful.

    Bear with me, this will attempt to tie together.

    I believe, imo, we are in a period that will not only see the world government themes "conspiracy theorists" talk about MORE than JWs, BUT ALSO the approximately known TIMED prophecy sequence that will BOTH, [in the world, and in prophecy,] fully gauge the full arrival of Christ as also Messianic Kingdom King of kings. Even the 1914 coronation old school Bethel promotes is not the "King of kings" crowning, because those "kings" are of an earthly sovereignty.

    Christ is NOT the King over God, he is permitted to have that position, he "hands back" God's Kingdom to God (1Cor15:24-28), BUT the Messianic Kingdom must FOREVER be David's, that is a "son of David", who is ultimately Christ, is forever on that throne, and this is how:

    (Revelation 22:5) . . .God will shed light upon them, and THEY will rule as kings forever and ever.

    God can never be "son of David" and Christ can never be Almighty God, it was all a process to install Christ as King of kings as global and universal ruler forever in the Messianic Kingdom. Of course he is subject to God, because God's Kingdom is the ultimate sovereignty where God is everything to all.

    Of course the reality of two kingdoms Christ himself explained at Luke 22:28-30. Thus Bethel is purposely missing and not explaining a VERY IMPORTANT COMPLETION.

    Bear with me please, there is a point I am trying to make, the completion theme of many KEY things is what Bethel is not completing themselves and are actually undermining in the process of their misleading deluding apostasy. (Rev10:5-11) (The final apostasy is all Bethel is "completing".)
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    For example, as we see in modern news and global developments, global financial coup, massive national debt complex, "Global NATO"; UN-NATO, and the "new world order" are all themes with voluminous global research Bethel does not comment on, and does not connect to prophecy as all equating to a world government actually fully in the prophecy. (Awake!? No, more like "Totally Asleep"!!!)

    Thus they are concealing globalization that must culminate into world government, imo, the real full 8th King "authentic rise" (Rev11:7, Rev17:8-11), and this is how, in spite of massive global "signs seen in sun, moon, and stars" of the global system of enlightenment and power, JWs are taught to ignore these developments and the implied time requirement to complete them.

    Thus instead JWs can now fully buy the "it can end tomorrow" delusion; It cannot end tomorrow imo. It takes time, and in it:

    1. 8th King globalization completion (that will in time be globally vocal as world government progress) can gauge in plain sight in the world:

    2. Christ's authentic arrival in full power, full Messianic Kingdom of Matt24:29-31 right into Revelation 14.

    (And the prophecy will back it up, because the world's own development will give the prophetic evidence being affirmed, live and real-time.)

    The world of globalization is consolidating wealth and finance first (Dan11:42-43), and Global NATO was well (Joel3:9-12), and everything else falls under the control of those two global power sectors. National governments are already just puppets of the "two horned wildbeast" globalists and the 8th King is where they are "gathered" (Rev16:13-16 equates fully to Rev17:11-18 global sovereignty composed of it all, when complete).

    For example "globalization" is the most powerful "gathering" force in the world, in Revelation 16:13-16, yet Bethel will not summarize the obvious.

    Bethel is not explaining a concurrent completion in the 8th King AND the Messianic Kingdom that is able to be fully explained now, and has global evidence from the world itself (Luke21:25-26), that Bethel also FULLY ignores.

    Thus imo, we are in a global period that will have a final sequence in prophecy fully outlining ALSO great global events, AT THE SAME TIME, and Bethel's judgment will kick it all off, as a BIG SIGNAL. The temple judgment is to learn from (and to clarify and purify) in the short process to follow, but long enough for a final full warning and invitation to be given, when God and Christ back that full exposure PRECEDING their authentic arrival.

    A grand finale of many things, a true "grand climax" and enough time to discern it, and explain it. (Rev10:11) (and no wonder apostate Bethel as the obstacle is to be removed first, and that aids the final explanation)

    We just have to STAY AWAKE, because we have an early wake up call now, by recognizing the Bethel apostasy first signal.
     
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    In my opinion, some are getting "the shaft", but are not on the Web, and JWs have no other alternative communication network, Bethel runs the "switchboard". So we are not hearing the real whole story.

    Thus, as a speculation, more evidence of what defines a "racket" is further produced in the Bethel "shaft" policy, they enslave people for their whole lives, but few get any compensation Bethel is fully rich enough to provide. Think those back stabbing Al Schroeder or Milton Henschel left empty handed? No.

    Bethel is a multi-billion dollar corporation who just, in 5 years, liquidated about $500,000,000, that is FIVE HUNDRED MILLION, HALF-A-BILLION DOLLARS, in NY real-estate assets alone. What is the figure internationally? What is the figure in other forms of investment?

    So we have a very real racket, not non-profit, just non-prophet, and it can align later when the litigation tsunami hits Bethel which the pedophile aiding and abetting Bethel policy ensures in that area of crime in future massive prosecution and judgments. It may eventually include racketeering prosecutions, we shall see, for a racket is actually present and Bethel is the "organized crime" system; it just masquerades as a "religion" and "non-profit organization".

    Imo they are taking big bucks out now, fast, and channeling that through the hedges/derivatives, to their external partners, so that when Bethel does go down, national courts will be left with Bethel bare bones for punitive actions. The "meat" is exiting NOW, and Bethel "closures" are part of that liquidation process now fully running to get big bucks OUT now, before it gets into entanglements legally. And in that "bare bones", Bethel will jeopardize and topple the entire JW Bethel network, including the now drained local congregations.

    As you may be aware, Bethel has now drained all the assets of local congregations. This is behavior of what is called a corporate takeover with, imo, intent of total liquidation in the end objective. How successful they will be remains to be seen, that God will use it for a judgment is certain imo, and I feel of course already in the prophecy.

    And that is just a mere sampling of the traitor red flags now flapping over "evil slave" sheep beating and devouring Bethel from the criminal overlords in the GB, and their pals strewn throughout the Bethel corporate structure, aided by external experts and global power that want JWs gone ASAP. But killing the org is the best first step.

    Selling it to JWs as "the end" is the exit strategy to cover their tracks on the way out, and use JWs to assist the whole deconstruction process as if it is all "prophecy fulfilling brothers!".
     
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    In Hebrew, as in English, a nation is considered as a mother, and individuals as her children (Isa 1:1; Jer 1:12; Ezek 19:2; Hos 2:4; 4:5); so our 'mother-country,' which is quite as good as 'father-land,' which we seem beginning to copy from the Germans. Large and important cities are also called mothers, i.e., 'mother-cities' (comp. metropolis, from the Greek), with reference to the dependent towns and villages (2 Sam 20:19), or even to the inhabitants, who are called her children (Isa 3:12; 49:23). 'The parting of the way, at the head of two ways' (Ezek 11:21), is in the Hebrew 'the mother of the way,' because out of it the two ways arise as daughters. In Job 1:21 the earth is indicated as the common mother, to whose bosom all mankind must return.'" The term is also applied to a city as the parent or source of wickedness and abominations; as "Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots " (Rev 17:5). The Church, as the Bride, is spoken of as the mother of believers (Isa 49:14-22; 56:8-13; Ps 87:5,6; Gal 4:22,21); and the sentiment, at once so mild and so tender, which unites the mother to her child is often alluded to in the sacred volume to illustrate the love of God to his people (Isa 44:1-8; 56:6-14; 1 Cor 3:1,2; 1 Thess 2:7; 2 Cor 11:2). See CHILD.

    (from McClintock and Strong Encyclopedia, Electronic Database. Copyright © 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006. All rights reserved.)

    A hundred years ago, the JWs were right about many things and their one main mistake was 1914. Unfortunately, as nothing happened after 1914, they stuck to it and started to fiddle with the yet right understandings they had reached to make them tally with 1914. Now, the whole thing is an utter mess.

    Being so ahead of time in their interpretations of prophecies, they may well hail future satanic forces or henchmen, thinking erroneously they're God's.
     
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    They act like the Jewish leaders of the first century CE.

    "Consequently the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered the San′he·drin together and began to say: “What are we to do, because this man performs many signs? If we let him alone this way, they will all put faith in him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation.â€￾ But a certain one of them, Ca′ia·phas, who was high priest that year, said to them: “YOU do not know anything at all, and YOU do not reason out that it is to YOUR benefit for one man to die in behalf of the people and not for the whole nation to be destroyed." - John 11:47-50

    They say that the organization is always on the move but in reality, it's getting nowhere fast. They would not be able to stand deep spiritual changes if the latter ones took place, because there is too much at stake; their credibility at first and the faith of millions of people. There are aspects at stake that are way above their grasp and power to change. Whether the GB, and some men inside the WT, reason like Nicodemus or the other religious leaders, the brakeless train is doomed anyway to plow fast into the big wall. The WT is like a well-oiled but fragile mechanism and therefore can't afford the risk of having grains of sand perturbing it all. It's a house of card and making changes would make it all collapse. On many grounds, its strength is also its weakness.
     
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    I like that one : So we have a very real racket, not non-profit, just non-prophet...

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    I'm sure that Jehovah will help them but it's going to be very hard for them because the economic crisis makes finding jobs very hard. If they don't have secular competences, or haven't used them for years, the work conditions may markedly be different than the ones they knew at Bethel, since they'll have to accept tiresome, odd and low-paid jobs. They'll have to find housing, buy furniture, pay bills and whatnot. Unless they have relatives who want/can help them for a while or they were born with a silver spoon in their mouths, things are gonna be tough !

    Welcome to the real world !

    It's true that the tone of the WT article, as always, was something like

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    It is a fossil now, sadly. A CEO fronted puppet show for the clapping seal JWs.

    If Jesus Christ walked into Bethel today, they would show him back out the door. And if he slipped in and saw how it was run, he would walk out on his own, that is how warped Bethel has slowly become, now, imo, it is terminal.

    Jeremiah would be booted and stocked or kicked out. John the Baptist would be considered crazy. etc. Paul would be appalled, no pun intended, lol. James would just flip out! JWs have become those eye candy drunk western civilization sycophants who look down on anything not meeting the dress code, for starters, and they are "package" focused, they no longer consider "content". All in all it now repels people, just like country club snobs do, imo. Many JWs are snobs, LOL.

    But I do not discard all JW based truth, just because the last 37 years saw a dictatorship take over (Rev8:12) and begin to ruin the ministry. (Rev8:10-11) THAT is why they are there, to try to discredit the original Kingdom message, imo.

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