I see in picture 3 it shows Shem, which is the line to Jesus. But, it does not show the younger son of Noah, Ham, which is to the line of Nimrod. yes the seed of Cain was on the ark, and is with us today. Maybe the people you bought that from will refund your money?

 

If they say Cain's seed never made it through the flood, they must have some records of who Cain had sex with, who had children? Were could I find a copy of those records, and if so, how do we know they are real?

 

Looks interesting.

 

Hey Joshuastone,
I had to laugh at the heading: “Decedents†of Cain. . .â€, as a decedent is a person who died. You likely meant “descendantsâ€. BUT. . . in actuality, they did all die. So in truth they are decedents! Ha ha ha.

That is a very good chronology chart. I thought of purchasing it but, after doing my own family history file of the line from Noah, I didn’t need it. In doing the family tree I found several breaks that can’t be filled in. We could guess, but that isn’t worthwhile and leads to errors.

Domenic, you need to follow the chart, and do a little math for the line from Cain, or at least get that crazy thought of the seed of Cain out of your mind. All of Cain’s descendants died before or during the flood. That is why there is no record of them after the flood. It can be said, they missed the boat.There is a reason that those other books are titled Apocrypha. They were all written thousands of years later than the other books of Hebrew records, and were never accepted by the Israelites.

 

Satan wants the whole world to believe that. Jesus spoke of the wheat, and the tares...Jesus knew there were still here. But follow what thinking you want. I will follow what I know to be true.

 

Hi Tsaphah:

Is there a line of decent for the wives of Noah's three children Shem, Ham and Japheth? They survived the flood and do we know that none of them were from the line of Cain?

Frank

 

The youngest, Ham had sex with his mother. Ham was the line to Nimrod...bad seed.

 

Hi Joshua:

Maybe you need to do a refresher course on biology and conception. If I am correct the child receives traits from both the Father and the Mother. The egg of the Mother having 23 chromosomes and the sperm of the Father having 23 Chromosomes, combining to equal the total of 46 chromosomes. Some pick up more dominant traits from one parent or the other and some seem to be a perfect combination.

So, if any of the wives of Noah's sons had the genetics of Cain then that "seed" came through the flood. The Bible record is silent on this subject, but there were indeed a race of people that Jehovah later wanted exterminated, the Canaanites. Why did he hate this race so much? No one else in the whole world was worshipping the true God, so why exterminate this people? There must be a reason for this hatred.

Frank

 

Hi Domenic:

I think there are different ways of reading and understanding the account in Genesis about Noah and the infraction committed against him. Since this account happened (or is written right after the account of them coming off the ark) most seem to think that this was immediately after the flood. It may not have been. Remember, when the Bible uses the word for son it can apply to your actual son or can mean a grandson or great grandson etc.. Since Canaan receives the curse I think that he is the one that committed the infraction, whatever that might have been. I am not convinced that he had sex with his grandmother (although that is conceivably possible based on the one of the meanings of "uncovered his nakedness").

The account says that "When Noah woke up from his wine and learned what his youngest son had done to him,". Does "youngest son" mean Japheth, or does it mean his grandson Canaan? I think the penalty gives us the answer. Japheth was not cursed, nor was Seth, but they received blessings from Noah. No, it was Canaan who received the curse and Ham received a rebuke from Noah and a loss of his position as firstborn. That is why Noah's sons are always mentioned as Seth (the new firstborn who gets the blessing and who the Messiah would come through), Ham (who lost the rights of the firstborn son) and Japheth (who was the third born son who also received a blessing for his good conduct with Shem). I know that the Watchtower teaches that Japheth was not the third born but they are dead wrong

You can only speculate as to what exactly Canaan did to Noah. Whatever it was, it was bad enough for Canaan to be cursed and for his Father Ham to have lost his firstborn rights. Perhaps Canaan carried some of Cains DNA in his genetics, I don't know, but it is at least a possibility. I personally think that Ham married into the line of Cain against his Fathers will (I know this is not recorded in the Bible) and Cain's genetics worked its way onto the Ark and through the flood in the genetics of Ham's wife. I cannot prove this with what information is in the Bible, but somehow Cains genetics got through the flood. This is as good a way as any.

The Bible is a very brief account of the dealings from creation to the flood and every detail is not given in writing, but some things can be deduced by what is in the record. I know this is not proof, and I don't claim it to be, but many a man or woman has been convicted on less evidence. Besides it doesn't take a mental giant to see the link between Ca'naan and Canaanites.

Jehovah not only cursed Canaan, but later on in the Bible account he has the Israelites commit absolute genocide on the Canaanites in order to wipe out their seed once and for all. Why? They were not the only race of people who were not worshipping the true God and they are not the only people on the earth doing reprehensible things to each other. Why wipe out the Canaanites? Maybe this account of Noah and Canaan gives us a hint as to the answer'

Frank

 

The bible is very clear on the subject. Here are a few facts:

Ham was of the dark skin.
Ham saw his fathers nakedness.
Hams two brothers were told by Ham that he saw his fathers nakedness.
Hams two brothers did not tell their father that Ham had told them.

Genesis 9:22 Ham saw his fathers nakedness, and told his two brothers.
Genesis 9:23 Hams two brothers walked backwards, and covered their fathers nakedness.
Genes 9:24 Noah finds out, and puts a curse on Hams son Ca'naan

QUESTION? How did Noah find out? and what grandfather would cures his grandson for what his son did?

Lets clear this up real fast: Ham had sex with his mother, Noah's wife. He told his two brothers about it, and his brothers hid the fact from Noah. Noah's wife had a baby, and the baby was of the dark skin...Noah knew it had to be Hams baby...so Noah cursed Hams son Ca'naan.
Right after this they all split up...I call it the big family fight, and split up.

Proof? Read Leviticus 18:6 to 18:24

Noah lived another 400 years after the flood. He had no other children? Maybe his wife went off with Ham? Poor Noah.

 

Hi Joshua:
Yeah, Father to Son but through the Woman.

Frank