Before Eve had sex with Satan, her name was women. After she gave birth to Cain, Adam gave her a new name...Eve. Which means, "Giver of life." Adam being the male, is the person with the seed...he is the giver of life. Eve gave birth to Cain without Adams seed, thus the name Eve.

My friend, you have a million miles to go yet before you understand scripture. I am not the only one on the forum who knows that. For some reason Jehovah is not letting you understand...perhaps it is because you refuse to leave a false religion you know is false. Jehovah has commanded; "Get out of her my people." You are refusing to do as he commands. That is not a good position to be in. You have no protection from Jehovah. If Satan has you killed in that state, you will be in a world of hurt.

 

Hi Joshua:

"Now, if you say the sperma is the women's (Eves offspring) and Satans (offspring), then the sperma with Satan would have to be hers too. Now if you say the sperma is Adams, then the prophecy would not have said the womens seed. You have the women still birthing both lines, and Gen 3:15 clearly says her seed!"

Kinda gives a new significance to the scripture at Genesis 3:20..."After this Adam named his wife Eve,* because she was to become the mother of everyone living." What do you suppose Adam meant by that?

Doesn't say anywhere that Adam was the Father of all those living, does it?

Frank

 

How does Jehovah treat those who disobey his commands? He removes his protection, and he blinds them from the truth. Those who disobey are standing with unbelievers, following the teaching of unbelievers, and count their self as one of them.
No one can sit on the fence and be for Jehovah. Jehovah does not build a fence to keep people in, or out. It is Satan who builds the fence. All property owners know, "When you build a fence, it must be on their side of the property line"...those sitting on the fence are on Satan's property, not Jehovah's.

Jehovah commands, "Get out of her my people." Why does he give this warning? Because those who don't will die with those who do not get out. Adam was not deceived...he knew he was doing wrong. Those who know they are in a false religion, and stay in, also know they are doing wrong. Refusing to follow Gods Command, "Get out of her my people," are doing double wrong.

 

Jehovah will not let those who stay in a false religions, and not follow his command to get out of them, will not be counted as his people, and he will blind them from the truth;

BABYLON THE GREAT…false religions of the world.
Revelation 18:4 .....'And I heard another voice from heaven saying, come out of her My people, that ye be not partakers of her sins and that ye receive not of her plagues.'

 

I don't care if the Watch Tower says this, or that. If you like being a JW, that is between you and Jehovah. You are the one who has to deal with him on that...it matters not what I say to you. You are on a boat to Tarshish.

 

1 Peter 4:17 speaks about "judgment starting with the house of God." As far as I know, I don't think that event has occurred yet. In the future, Jehovah is going to discipline His people. The Watchtower Society will be brought down. The GB will be removed from their position of authority within the organisation. That's the pattern in the Bible. Jehovah's people go wayward - so Jehovah disciplines them and pulls them back into line.

Many of Jehovah's Witnesses won't be expecting that event to occur. They have been mentally conditioned to believe that the organisation is "invincible." So many brothers/sisters will be confused and in shock.

Those of us who are aware of "the truth about the truth" may have a new assignment, a new ministry at that time. For all we know, maybe that could be part of Jehovah's plan. For years, we have been preaching to people at the doors. However, maybe we will have a new assignment where our brothers/sisters now become our ministry. While I'm at the meetings, I have an opportunity to psychologically profile the body of elders and other brothers/sisters. I don't do that on paper - I do that in my head and I was trained from an early age to observe closely facial expressions and body language of other people. I can do that while I'm talking to them. That tells me volumes about a person and the feelings behind what they are telling me during a conversation. In making those observations about brothers/sisters I talk to, I will then be in a position to know how to go about speaking to them, how to tailor my message and know what sort of approach I should use when the time comes for me to explain why the Watchtower Society has fallen.

Regardless of our situation, whether we are in a hall, or out in the "wilderness," we all have gifts and strengths and those can be used to build up other brothers/sisters.

 

All religions are false...that makes any religion a part of Babylon the Great. Have you ever had a bible study with anybody?

 

Do you read my post, or just not read them, and ask questions?

Let me make it very simple: If a women has sex with a male and the women has a baby, that baby is half of the women, and half of the male. There is no stork, that is just a fairy tale. Now if the women has sex with a man that has HIV, the chances are the baby will have HIV. If the women is Asian, and the man is black, the baby will be half of each. Lets go from there:

If Eve had sex with Satan, the baby would be half human, and half whatever Satan is...the baby will only be 50 human. if this baby grows up, and has sex with a human women, and she has a baby, part of that baby will have some of Satan's seed, and it goes on, and on.

 

Either English in your second language, or Jehovah is not letting you understand scripture?

 

There has been further talk on the forum about insisting that people get up and leave the congregation.

The decision to stay or to leave is a personal one and each brother/sister will decide that for themselves individually. That point has been highlighted on the forum already. It has been discussed.

Whenever I come across someone on the internet, who is very insistent on this point, I always notice one thing. It is conspicuous by its absence.

I never see an outline that is comprehensive, detailed and itemized which will cover all bases and scenarios for supporting any individual who decides to leave.

This is a significant point. When we’re sitting at the keyboard and we don’t have any contact with the other person, it’s easy to say “just get up and leaveâ€￾ without giving any consideration to how such a decision would impact on their life. As a writer, you would understand the power of words. Particularly when those words also contain fear tactics: e.g. “if you don’t get out of the organization, you're gonna die.â€￾ That’s called “gaslightingâ€￾ – where we use fear to motivate a person to do something. It’s a technique that the Watchtower Society uses as well.

I work with many fragile people. I have to ensure that whatever information I give them is sound, accurate and up-to-date. If I discern that they have needs which require additional assistance that is outside of the boundaries of my role, then I have to direct them to the boss. If that step takes place, I also have to follow up on that and monitor it. So I’m qualified to write about the topic of looking out for other people’s interests.

So let’s take look at this a little more closely. Suppose someone decides that they have to leave the congregation, because they read your words. From that point on, you are now partly responsible for their welfare. They based their decision on your words. When their spouse starts shunning them, do you have a psychologist or a counselor lined up to assist them to cope with that situation? Will you be providing the funds for them to go to their psychologist or counseling appointments? Depending on where the person lives, these appointments may be expensive.

What happens if the spouse tells the children to start shunning their parent? What happens if the other spouse decides to divorce? Do you have a family lawyer lined up? Will you be providing the funds to pay the lawyer for their services? What about custody arrangements of the children?

What if the person works for someone who is one of Jehovah’s Witnesses? What happens if they lose their job? What if they are unable to find another job right away? What if they need to take on extra training so as to get another job? (Might have to do a career change.) Will you be providing the funds to the person so that they can cope financially? Are you going to help them look for another job?

What if the person is renting from someone who is one of Jehovah’s Witnesses? Suppose they are evicted from their home. Are you going to help them to find a new home?

Do you think that this sounds like a lot of work? They are all realistic scenarios. It’s also possible for the person to be facing one or more of these scenarios at the same time.

Don’t forget that the viewers come from right around the world. The situation becomes even more complicated if the person doesn’t live in the same country as you.

It’s easy to think to ourselves: “Oh well. Out of sight, out of mind.â€￾

I’m interested in the arrangements that you have set in place to assist people who leave, so as to provide these people with a support network, as they cope with these issues. I am right into detail and am capable of reading long documents for long periods of time.

I hope that the support arrangements are going to be more than just simply “pray your problems away and it’ll all fall into place.â€￾

(I don’t need to see the actual names of individuals who are a part of the support network. I’m interested in knowing what resources are available to brothers/sisters and what kind of professional people will be helping them.)




Editing to add: I have written this post on the behalf of other brothers/sisters and their needs. Myself, I’m a “satelliteâ€￾ sister – no friends or family who are Witnesses. And, yes, I expect to be disfellowshipped at some time in the future (can see this one coming from about 5 miles away.) I’ve been mentally preparing myself for that for several years now. For many years now, I’ve been “paddling my own canoeâ€￾ in the figurative sense. Hence, the name “Wallflower.â€￾