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Demonism and the Watchtower

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    There was no patch used with the original. Read the book, even a signature of the person was enough for the device to respond. Is this signature radiating some sort of signal through our universe?
     
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    Read my previous comments. I have already explained, just because the metal detector evolved from a dowsing rod, doesn't mean that metal detectors are demonic. And just like your toy, which probably works today, and probably isn't spiritism, evolved from the Era which was demonic, similar to the dowsing rod.

    The point of this topic is not to convince the reader that their current medical device is demonic, but to inform the reader that Rutherford was performing spiritism. Are you really going to sit their and tell me that, a simple blood drop or my signature will communicate with such a device and diagnose my sickness? Get real.
     
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    And? So, "Rutherford was performing spiritism." Was Israel free from spiritism? How about some of the early members of the congregations? That "simple blood drop" can identify YOU, and any other member of your family. It can actually trace your family's historical background, and YOUR Health.
     
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    Here is something to ponder. Rutherford was born in 1869. That was 69 years after the discovery of invisible light rays, infrared, and ultraviolet. The “divining rod”, or “witching rod” was used during “dowsing”, which is believed to originate in 15th century Germany. It likely had been used prior to that time, but most historians date it 15th century. Most people think it was only used to detect under-ground water, but it was also used in an attempt to find valuable minerals. The term divining rod, sometimes used to describe the forked instrument, is frowned upon by dowsers because divination is not considered part of the process. (Encyclopedia Britannica)

    Also connected to early beliefs.

    Astrology, type of divination that involves the forecasting of earthly and human events through the observation and interpretation of the fixed stars, the Sun, the Moon, and the planets. Devotees believe that an understanding of the influence of the planets and stars on earthly affairs allows them to both predict and affect the destinies of individuals, groups, and nations. Though often regarded as a science throughout its history, astrology is widely considered today to be diametrically opposed to the findings and theories of modern Western science. (Encyclopedia Britannica)

    Abraham Ibn Ezra (1089-c. 1167)
    Ibn Ezra’s philosophical legacy consists in the main of the following, rather short list of doctrines. The deity governs the terrestrial world by means of the heavenly bodies. Humans toil under astral destiny; though the stars are subservient, formally at least, to God, their domination over the material universe is for all practical purposes complete. Neither the precise structure of the human soul, nor the mode of its bonding with the body, may be known with certainty. However, one component or aspect of the human soul is of the same fiber as the supernal realm that is above the stars; nothing in existence is more similar to God. Nurturing this spiritual component offers the one hope of refuge from this world. Ibn Ezra’s poetry in particular gives very powerful expression to the themes of the soul’s alienation and longing to return to its heavenly abode. To be sure, weighty questions are involved in all of these teachings, but Ibn Ezra does not take any of them up in depth. (Metaphysics Research Lab, CSLI, Stanford University)

    We must be careful in judging, or deciding on another’s faith, or reason for them choosing what they do or believe. They will carry the weight. Whether Rutherford and others within the WTS studied these subjects for gaining knowledge or for their own beliefs, I cannot personally judge them. I leave that to Jehovah and our King, Jesus/Michael the anointed.
     
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    I think, you are under the impression that I am trying to persuade people that Jehovah's Witnesses do not have the truth. That is not my goal, it is merely to raise awareness of the mystery of this lawlessness (2 Thessalonians 2)
     
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    I am not judging, just repeating what is already known, there are many people that are aware that this device is spiritism, and they know nothing of the watchtower. And what say you about the bethelites who were using Ouija boards, the demon possessed awake writer, the demonic novel "Of Angels and Women", the fact that Rutherford said Russell was leading him from beyond the veil? Why are you so focused on the ERA and not the other things?
     
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    Actually it can..I have not done it yet as it is very complicated and very scientific and way above my head...the point being brother..is these books that are put out...are misleading...and not telling the entire truth....and blackens Jehovah's House over somthing they are not guilty of....and turns people away.....don't you think we have enough earnestly earnt guilt already...
    Satan will get anything scientific and then use it to make it look demonic...and then before you know it every one is up in arms and crying demonism...when it is not...
    I am calling a spade a spade here....
    As to Bethelites playing the oujiou board...well that wouldn't surprise me...but they would have done that on an individual decision.....
    Hey and I've also read the Angels and women book when I was inactive....I didn't know it's origin then..and it was sanctioned by us....and then UN sanctioned. ....we did lots of things wrong then....still coming out of BTG and it's spiritistic practices I guess.....we did lots f things wrong then just like now.....but we did lots of things right then just like we do now....
    I don't know what Rutherford said about Russel...but Russel himself said he was not in contact with angels or the supernatural......but I'm sure he was born along by Holy Spirit .....
    No it isn't ....and I have seen them use photographs with the rife machine as well.....now who,do you think has stepped in to abuse this machine and it legitimacy usage....because rife NEVER used these things.....who do you think has stepped in and abused the rod when it finds water....and now it can find anything..Satan abuses everything and anything if he can...
    When objects start moving around the room by itself...or a car starts up by itself...is it the car that's demonic...or the object that's demonic.....off course not...those objects are being misused by demons because they wish to play mischief and deceive everybody..
    This is the reason I don't talk about rife machines publicly....ones in the truth and out of the truth cry demonism......
    Your intent was honorable btw..... I know that..but this is science ...alas..misused by some thus the confusion....I just don't want any one who comes to this forum to read all of that and not know the truth of the matter.....there is enough negativity on this forum with out that...
     
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    I’m not under any “impression” of what your goals are, or who you are trying to persuade about “who” has “the truth”. Not yet!

    Well, . . .Thinking said most of what I would have replied. You don’t need to tell me anything about the wrongs of the WTS. Part of the reason I ran away was, the WTS jumping on the “bandwagon” of hidden messages in some types of music. That was back in 1982. I personally sent proof to the GB that they were wrong and, if not careful with their statements, could be sued for defamation and other counts. Then, they lied to me about what they received from me. If someone lies, at least don’t mention things you say you did not receive. First bad! The California State legislature did listen to me and blocked phony legislation requiring labeling on singles and albums for “certain types” of music. They took the time to check my resources.

    Then, the WTS contacted the Kingdom Hall and “warned” them to “mark” me. Second Bad!
    Brothers’ called me to be careful of the type of music I listened to. Then, they went as far as trying to tell me not to read, or study other material not published by the WTS. They don’t want “free thinkers”. Third Bad = Strike Out!

    That’s where I stand today. I take no person’s word. I study and listen to the word of God, in the Bible, down to the “one jot or one tittle”. (Mt 5:18 KJV)

    I’m not judging you, and at this point I don’t see you as trying to influence me or others here. I have no clue about your statement abour my interest in ERA. What and where did I mention ERA? In your initial post you give a link to a site which my computer will not load. It lists a “One Drive” site. My security software will not allow it to load. That’s a warning for me. It is likely vulnerable to viruses or hacking. The other phony site is claiming to be Jehovah’s Witnesses. That is a give away for me to avoid them and anything they say. For some people, ignorance is bliss. My background doesn’t allow that.

    “Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.” - Benjamin Franklin
     

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