Discerning The Spiritual Signs Not Just The Physical Signs

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    Hi everyone, I thought that this might be a good subject & a good opportunity to start my first thread, I look forward to your responses.
    I had a discussion with someone regarding the book of Daniel chapter 12 & the events/signs within pointing Christ's return. Below are the signs that were pointed out to me that I was asked to give my view & reasoning on.
    1) Knowledge increased (i.e. Internet, mobile phones, computers, etc.)
    2) Travel increased (automobiles, trains, plains, etc.)
    3) We have been in a great time of world wide unrest & troubles (world war 1, world war 2, the cold war, other wars, terrorism, global economic trouble, etc.)
    4) Israel restored as a nation
    5) Book of Daniel finally understood.
    Regarding these signs mentioned I do believe these are definately apparent in our world I also believe the definition of them are also very much spiritual signs. Let me explain my understanding of this.
    I believe that Satan has created parallels with regards to these signs & others to decieve & mask what is actually happening spiritually.
    Increase of knowledge: The following scriptures are clear in showing that these are not physical but are indeed spiritual signs: Isaiah 11:9, "They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain, for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea", Also Isaiah 43:19 "Behold, I will do a new thing, Now it shall spring forth, Shall you not know it? I will even make a road in the wilderness And rivers in the desert".
    Daniel 12:4 "But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase." Daniel 12:10, "Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand."
    Revelation 20:12. The five scriptures mentioned above make clear that the increase in knowledge is not physical (mobile phones, computers, internet etc.) but is spiritual, based upon the opening (understanding) of God's Word".
    Habakkuk 2:14, "For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord as the waters cover the sea."
    Daniel 12:10 is clear in telling us that it's only the Righteous ones the will understand this, again this is backed up what Mark 4:11 tells us, "And He said to them, “To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables". Also see at Luke 10:21, Luke 10:21 "In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight."
    Now, please understand that I am not saying that the increase in the physical ability to obtain & gain knowledge in this world has not contributed because I believe that it has with regards to sharing God's word & ministering, because of the internet we can now reach so many, it is a truly amazing thing!
    The tribulations we have endured in this time of the end are very prominent & it does characterize the timeline we are currently living in but again these tribulations are also happening on a spiritual level & again if we are not aware of this fact then we are in danger of being misled & falling asleep as watchmen. We need to disern ALL things that are occurring. The chosen anointed class are being attacked & some have been decieved, it really is vital that we are taking note of this fact as it is an important part of the fulfillment of prophecy. The physical tribulation in the world is a mirror image, a smoke screen so as to disguise the spiritual tribulations that are occurring.
    The physical Israel being restored again is a mirrored sign of what is happening with regards to the spiritual Israel.
    We must remember that Satan wants to mislead all of us hence the reason for physical worldly signs.
    The spiritual signs & the battle going on is not so obvious to most of us so that's why we need to discern what is happening with regards to the bride class of Christ. Mark 4:34 tells us, "He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything." There was a reason for this, it is only those who are earnestly seeking truth that will find the answers, God & Christ WILL reveal truth to those ones the choose to. By knowing what the signs are in a spiritual sense we can learn with regards to where prophecy is manifesting itself. For example Revelation 12:10, "Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down." This is I believe is currently already happening! This refers to the chosen anointed ones that have been oppressed or killed in a spiritual sense. Matthew 25:45, "He will reply, Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me." We need to open our eyes & see, we need to use our ears & hear, Matthew 13:13 clearly shows this, "This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand!".
    We must use our 'spiritual eye' because not everything that is apparent to our 'physical eye' is as it may seem. We can see that in fact Christ is referring to this at John 4:48, "Unless you and others see miracles and marvels," said Jesus, "nothing will induce you to believe."
    Make sure to be on the watch for if we do not know what is happening with regards to the spiritual battle & it's signs then we cannot observe where we possibly are concerning prophecy.
    1 Peter 2:9, "But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light".
    Jesus' illustration of the kingdom's arrival is compared to a woman who is giving birth. The end time signs are explained or likened to the woman's labour pains - "But all these things are only the beginning of the birth pains"- Matthew 24:8. This is the Greek meaning of "pangs" of distress. The woman that is giving birth & what her birth brings fourth (the woman meaning the covenant - Galatians 4:24 also gives some insight, here is a brief explanation behind the reason of why the scriptures refer to the covenants or the promises that God pledges are compared to women, the whole reason & purpose for these covenants is to accomplish God's will & the salvation of mankind so it is done for our benefit, this is accomplished by the bringing forth a righteous seed, so in essence the "women" are promises/covenants that God makes, I hope that this gives you some understanding with regards to the reason why these covenants pledged by our Father in Heaven are compared to women).
    Also as we all know an actual birth takes place after the labour occurs & certainly not before or at it's beginning. So we know now that the birth of the Kingdom obviously happens at the end of the woman's labour pangs/pains, so the end time signs or as we discern it now, the labour pangs/pains all happen before the Kingdom of God arrives, it doesn't occur after, it is just as a real birth would happen after the labour. So Satan needs to have a diversion, he has to produce these mirrored counterfeit signs so as to try & mislead Christ's brothers & sisters.
    God Bless!
     
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    I tend to lean toward scripture discussing things in spiritual sense, and not physical. If you read the context of the verses from Dan 11:33-40 you will see that the knowledge being increased is the true knowledge of God, the true knowledge of scripture and prophecy that is being revealed in the time of the end, and therefore it's more likely in the theme of prophetic fulfillment the "knowledge increased" is knowledge of truth in scripture and of the true God, in fulfillment of prophecy.

    This is the point of the true knowledge in the time of the end; Dan 12:4 "and the true knowledge will become abundant.”



    The part of the scripture you are speaking of is here; "“As for you, Daniel, keep the words secret, and seal up the book until the time of the end. Many will rove about, and the true knowledge will become abundant.”

    The intended meaning of "many will rove about" is to "look into these matters", or to peer into the secrets contained within prophecy that is being revealed, hence the reason for the books being unsealed.

    Basically we are those ones roving about in the prophecies.



    Israel in prophecy ceased being the physical nation once Cornelius was baptized.

    The seventieth week of Dan 9 started at Jesus's baptism, and at the half he was cut off. The "many" were the Jewish nation and the covenant was then opened up to the Gentiles at the end of that 70th week, making Israel all who worship in truth in our day.

    The physical nation has no play in prophecy after 70CE...
     
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    Thankyou for your reply Joshua, it was much appreciated. You made some excellent points indeed, I too lean thesame way regarding scripture, so many look towards a physical literal explanation with regards to scripture, Christ's teachings, his ministry had so much spiritual significance.
     
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    Hi Daz,

    Again, welcome to the forum.

    Regarding Dn 12, I'd say that yes, the signs mentioned therein are on spiritual grounds and that yes, Satan deceives the world through physical worldly signs.

    All the prophecies point to a moment in time when a final confrontation takes place between Satan's and God's "champions", so to speak. Said confrontation is prefigured by Moses and Aaron working miracles against Pharaoh's magic-practicing priests, the latter ones following suit until they aren't able to keep up. Another prefiguration is Elijah's miracles against Baal's worshipers, whose "spirit" (Elijah's) is said to come back during the time of the end. I believe that this final showdown will take place both on spiritual and physical grounds and that one of the characteristics, in my opinion, of the MOL and reasons for "him" to boast will be technological achievements rendering God's promises void through for example Human Enhancement Technologies (HET) or else, which was prefigured also by the tower of Babel. Obviously, a certain level of spiritual understanding will be reached too by all but just like Stephen or Jesus' disciples had a higher level of understanding than the Jewish leaders back then, so will it be during the time of the end with the sons of God once they're revealed and in plain view for those who see them with the eyes of faith. Interestingly, the Jewish leaders weren't so blind on spiritual grounds (like Paul, for example, before his conversion) because they knew that Jesus and his disciples weren't ordinary men, they knew what they were doing.

    "But they could not hold their own against the wisdom and the spirit with which he was speaking." - Acts 6:10

    Regarding the covenants/promises being symbolized by women, it's also fitting because they're said to have children. In the same vein, in Israel, the capital cities were considered as mothers and the small villages around them as their children.
     
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    Thankyou for your reply Utuna, I enjoyed reading your take on it. Yes I agree of course there will be physicals aspects to it all but gernerally people seem to only focus upon the physical & fail to recognize the spiritual side of things, I guess at one time we were all like that but it isn't until you search with a sincere unbias heart & with much prayer that you begin to understand & discern the spiritual signs & their fulfillment.
     
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    Dear Daz,

    Please, could you tell us what you mean by spiritual signs ? I mean prophetic understanding ? Knowledge of where we are or are not in the stream of time ? Being able to see God's action in people despite them being imperfect ? Etc.

    The increase of knowledge, knowing God's calendar (1914 or not ?) or to be appointed by God as the anointed will be are per se, signs that people will have to notice, which the GB says it already fulfills in itself.
     
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    Hi Daz and Utuna,

    It seems to me that how we handle and view the physical things of creation and of this world shows the level of our spiritual understanding as the most important quality of the spirit is Love.

    Just a thought - I have enjoyed your comments on the subject.

    Joe
     
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    Hi Utuna, with regards to the spiritual signs I mean God's people, His chosen ones/Anointed brothers of Christ, understanding Christ's spiritual emphasis on the examples He gave & taught. I'm sure will touch on this in posts to come. I now look beyond the physical & literal & look toward the spiritual aspects as much as I can, hope that makes sense?
     
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    Hi Joe, yes indeed I agree, I am glad you are enjoying this thread, thankyou for commenting.
     
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    I agree that the Information Age in which we find ourselves is the time mentioned in Daniel. But this is not a sign. A sign is a juncture at which a person must change course. Daniel prescribes no such thing.

    As well, the time of increased travel is mentioned by Daniel and we find ourselves in it. As regards a sign, see the above.

    Regarding literal Israel being restored. The Temple is full of Muslims. Literal Israel is NOT restored and never will be. Expect further deterioration there, more bombing, more hostility and less peace with each passing day. God is not there anymore. He hasn't been since they killed His beloved Son.

    Literal Israel will be crushed.
     
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    Yep... The 70th week ended with the baptism of Cornelius. The covenant held in place was for the Messiah, and the many were the Jews. Hence why in prophecy Israel of today are all true believers world wide.
     
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    "True believers" trust in God.
    Not a nuclear arsenal.
     
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    I am totally with you on that!
     
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