Hi Josh:

Of course he knew Joshua. He knows what he is doing and I trust in his wisdom. A good lawyer knows that you don't ask a question of a witness unless you already know the answer. Jehovah is the legal expert, so when he asks a question, he already knows how you will answer.

Even though Jehovah knows before hand, we don't know anything until we experience it, and even then we don't always get it. You can't actually believe that Jehovah did not know exactly what would happen the instant his angelic Son sinned? Like Satan's son Cain, no doubt Jehovah warned him before he did, I am not sure of that, but it seems he would have just as he warned Cain, even though he knew that Cain, like his Father would do exactly how he wanted to do and not what Jehovah wanted him to do. Nothing happens that Jehovah doesn't know in detail before hand.

Frank

 

Hi Joshua:

Jehovah being responsible for all the evil and suffering we see today because he knew that it would happen is another piece of silly reasoning. By that reasoning he is and was responsible for Jesus suffering on the torture stake/cross and dying for mankind just because he knew that it would happen. Unless of course you think that he chose not to know that as well. Think through this stuff Josh, don't just accept it cause it fits your idea of something, think it through. There are plenty of questions that Jehovah asks in the Bible and they don't mean he doesn't know the answer just because he phrases them as a question.

Then Jehovah answered Job out of the windstorm:+
2 “Who is this who is obscuring my counsel And speaking without knowledge?+
3 Brace yourself, please, like a man; I will question you, and you inform me.
4 Where were you when I founded the earth?+ Tell me, if you think you understand.
5 Who set its measurements, in case you know, Or who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 Into what were its pedestals sunk, Or who laid its cornerstone,+ Job 38

Are you telling me that Jehovah did not know the answers simply because he phrases the statements in the form of questions? Of course not. This is just one example, you yourself could come up with many more on your own, but it's only that one scripture in Genesis that he asks that he doesn't know the answer to? Think man, think!

Frank

 

Father knows what is going to happen with everybody, and everything long before we are even born. He does not stop it because he has given us free will...but he put things in the path so his plans are not turned aside.
He will have Jesus bring back every body for the 1,000 year teaching. The good, the bad, and the ugly. The only people who will not be in that 1,000 years are those who have, and will die at a judgment. He knows who will be for him at the end of the 1,000 years, and who will not. Why have those he knows will not be for him there in the 1,000 years? Because if he did not, somebody will say, "My brother, my friend, etc never had a chance at life. Not one creature will be able to say that. Jehovah is a loving, and just God.
I have heard may say, "I have asked God to forgive me for,XXXX, but I'm still suffering from that sin?" Here is why. it is because he has given us free will. He does forgive when you ask, he does not take away the Consequences; why? because if he took away the consequences, we would do the same sin again, and again. If we have consequences from the sin, even after God forgive us, we will think twice before doing it again...it is the same way we train our children.
Father knows everything. When he asked Cain, "Where is your brother Able?" God already knew...because he told Cain, "Your brother Able's blood cried out to me from the earth." he knows what I'm going to do before I even think about doing it. Would you rather have a stupid God who knew nothing?
Has nobody figured out, we are like a bug trying to figure out what the universe is. God designed us to be the care takers of the earth...people don't have to be smart for that. Where do you think all the high tec stuff comes from? not our pea brains...it comes from Satan, just like it did before the flood. Before 1914 man was riding a horse. Within 60 years he was on the moon. how did man get so smart in such a short time?

 

Okay, you are correct in the fact we don't have to continue this subject. You are locked into a mind set. My last thought on the matter: If God does not look into the future, where did the prophets like Enoch, Daniel, etc get all the scriptures about future events, did they just make those up, or did they get them from God? After Jesus was born a human, how did God know Herod was going to try an kill Jesus the baby? Or about Alexander the great who was not even born when Daniel wrote about the hairy he-goat?
You are going to stay in a religion you know will be destroyed so you can help the JW when it happens. I'm sure they would hate you for not warning them...and what makes you think Satan will let you be in any better position than the rest of the JW's? Anyway, God warns to get out of them.(religions.) Those who don't heed the warning will get what those who stay in get. Do as you will do. You are just trying to be smarter than Jehovah. He does not help those he warns who do not listen. You like being with your friends (JW's) and you know if you warn them, they will call you the evil slave class, and put you out. is that not the same thing Adam did? He was not deceived. He went along with Eve because he did not want to lose her. About the same thing you are doing. You are not deceived; you don’t want to lose your friends.

 

Like I have been saying since I joined this forum: I'm not smart, so tell me, "if Jehovah chooses to know what to look ahead to, how does he look ahead to something to chose, if he doesn't look at everything in the future? Josh, you are trying to turn the stones around to spell out what you want to believe. As a brother in Jehovah, I am not fighting you, but think about the picture you are trying to paint?

 

Freedom to chose

father puts life and death before us; the blessing or the malediction. If he KNOWS everything in advance...then there is NO freedom....no choice...

Things are already set, and you are actors playing out Jehovah's play, not writing out your own.

We would then say, "Jehovah himself is the source of everything, even evil"

He must give us freedom to chose, and limit his forevision to allow us freedom to chose. 'Think, man!' (lol)

 

Because Jehovah can see into the future does not mean we are actors on some pre-written play. We are free to do what we will. Man sets his own course. God seeing into the future does not mean we do not have the freedom to do as we will, or that he has written a script. To say our life is pre-planed by God is saying he is a murderer, liar, and a monster. He is none of these things... that is what Satan wants the world to believe. Satan is putting the blame of his own doings on to Jehovah, and those who believe it is Gods doing these bad things, are giving ear to Satan. When Jehovah do direct how things go, he does it to help people. Example. Joseph was sold as a slave into Egypt by his brothers...that was to save Jehovah's people from starving to death.

 

Hi Joshua:

Where did you get that reasoning, from John Calvin? Jehovah knowing the future has absolutely no effect on your free will. He does not alter your free will one bit by knowing. That's silly. He knows how you will use your free will.

Frank

 

Hi Joshua:

So, if Jehovah knows that a radical Arab is going to chop the head off of 20 Christians in the future, then Jehovah is res1ponsible for that act, not the radical Arab? Don't let that reasoning get out or you will have many more be-heading's that Arab's can blame on Jehovah.

But what you are saying is that Jehovah somehow gets a vibe (not knowing, just a vibe) and then he decides (makes a conscious decision) not to know that fact so that he is not responsible for it? Abominable indeed! And he does this for every bad Act that is done so that he will not be responsible for it (without actually knowing). Is that what you are saying? You too John S.?

Frank

 

Looking into the future

Well yes, but...

After thinking about it again late last night, and advancing my dvd player forward on a movie: 'Godzilla', to the part where I fell asleep (3 different days/times), I had an epiphany;

If we can fast forward a movie, or pick a spot on a line on the screen; go there and view it, why not the Creator? We ourselves didn't write, act, or produce the movie....

So, I acquiesce. I believe God fully capable, too, of peering ahead in time, without altering it (if he so chooses, that is).

Quite possibly demons, too, have acquired some form of forward-viewing of time through technology(?), as some prophets, like Nostradamus, are shown to get quite lucky, or even accurate. He foretold a wicked ruler; ('Hister'...Hitler)

This is a deep subject , yet the Bible says, and we know, Jehovah does see and alter the future at will. It's just hard to know how he does this without writing our own life story in the process.

Thank you for 'thinking, man!'

 

By the way, no wonder I kept falling asleep. The movie was a yawner, and after 10 minutes; turned it off for a good book instead.

 

There are clear Indications in the bible that Jehovah does make things happen. Joseph as a slave in Egypt…was Jehovah’s doing. The birth of Jesus using Mary was Jehovah’s doing. Jesus when he came to earth as a human to die knew the Jews would have him killed, Jehovah’s doing. Jehovah does things to move his plans along. Does he control the lives of all people? normally no. At the end of the 1,000 year rule of Jesus, Jehovah will have those who are against him attack his people, and he will destroy them. One thing is certain…Jehovah never does anything that is bad for his people. Do the demons know the future? They know they will die.
Satan is the one who controls what some people do...those who allow him to.

 

The will of God

Amen, brother Dominic...


Enjoy your posts, along with all here. It is good to be where the spirit is leading us in discovery of new territory; the Bible/mind/faith/future.

I am not the best on Daniel, and cannot understand all the Revelation....but I know where to be where people do have God's spirit, and are desiring to peer into the perfect law that belongs to freedom...

This, clearly, ...is such a place. May father Jehovah continue to bless this place...these souls...with wisdom, and love, faith, and understanding of his word and will through Jesus Christ, Amen!

 

John,
Jehovah requires we do one thing for life...only one..."Believe Jesus is the son of God." When John the Baptist was baptizing people, Jesus let John baptize him. Jesus was from God, he did not have to be baptized. He did it to show John was doing it right. John was telling people all they had to do was be baptized to be saved. You don’t have to go to 5 meetings a week. If you want just go to one. You are not commanded by God to follow orders of men…we are Gods property, under our Lord Jesus. Don’t let man judge you, let Gods word judge you. Spend more time in personal study, and less at meetings. God loves you, and there is nothing on this earth worth more than that.