Fruit was Poisonous; 'Sin' of disobedience will not kill always

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    Agreed brother, Jehovah's spirit is here with us, and I'm glad to see you settling in nicely.

    I appreciate your participation. It is my personal belief that we here will have a great privilege in the time of the end as we witness these things come to be...
     
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    In the end we aren't debating who's responsible for sin and death, we know whom they were.

    We both agree Jehovah has looked into the future many many times, hence why we have prophecy.

    So the real question is, does Jehovah not know even the slightest future event? Those on my side have agreed that there are events he looks into the future for, is it your stand that you can not except he may choose not to know a certain future event, no matter how small? You see, we are trying to look into Jehovah's abilities through human reasoning. He isn't bound by this universe, nor our feeble minds, so what he is capable of is beyond our ability to comprehend.

    John S makes a good point, time seems to be like a movie to Jehovah. He can fast forward it or rewind, but does that mean he chooses to know everything?

    I can agree he does know some future events, can you agree he could choose not to know others?

    We could debate this to the end of eternity, but it really doesn't matter, it doesn't effect our lives or future. Whether or not my future is determined or not I know I will still be struggling every day to do Jehovah's will.

    Although, I still stand on the statement I made before, there seems to be clear evidence that there are some events in scripture Jehovah knew well in advanced that would occur, and others he did not. The only conclusion would have to be is that he chose not too.
     
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    I agree with this scripture 100%..It is religions that are stumbling people. You yourself admitted the leaders of the Watch Tower do not make prophesies that come true, and you don't trust their prophesies...that means they are FALSE PROPHETS. Jehovah does not have FALSE PROPHETS looking after his sheep. Gods word judges them, and those who stay under their control knowing they are false. I am a servant of Jehovah God, and yes that put me in a position of responsibility. It is you who are stumbling others with your secret. Have you warned the members of your Congregation of the false prophesies they have made? If you have not, you my friend will be blood guilty if they die. You my friend pretend to be in line with the Watch Tower, and you are not. Jehovah knows your deceit. Stay on your present course and Jehovah will blind you to all his truth.
     
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    Again, I thank you for your concern, but you might leave your judgement of me away from your lips, Christ Jesus is here among us...

    Mth 7:1 “Stop judging that YOU may not be judged; for with what judgment YOU are judging, YOU will be judged; and with the measure that YOU are measuring out, they will measure out to YOU."

    Now, back to scripture. Let me put your perception up against Jesus's for a moment.

    Mth 21:13 "And Jesus entered into the temple and threw out all those selling and buying in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. And he said to them: “It is written, ‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but YOU are making it a cave of robbers.â€￾

    Jesus knew the temple was full of robbers and thieves, but yet he continued to attend the festivals and to visit the temple regularly, why?
     
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    Just bumping this thread because I think that this is a significant question.
     
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    The forum is made up of brothers/sisters who still attend the hall, there are those who are disassociated and there are those who are disfellowshipped. However, everyone here has a love for Jehovah, for their fellowmen and for wanting to know the truth.

    That decision to leave or to stay in the organisation is a personal one. Unfortunately, sometimes that decision is made for a person (i.e. they are wrongfully disfellowshipped) and I feel for people in that situation, too.

    Everyone has different circumstances in life and so they will make their own decision in that area. It is not up to anyone else to judge them on that. The forum is a place where we can come to give and receive encouragement.
     
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    I'm a "satellite sister" (in the congregation but not a part of it.) Why do I keep going to the hall? Because I've been analysing the financial trends of the Society. I can tell whenever I talk to other brothers/sisters about this topic, that they do not grasp the full implications of the new donation arrangement for building and repairing Kingdom Halls. They do not grasp it at all.

    The Society's tactics in financial matters, tells me, that this is an organisation that has a lot of assets but is short on cash. It has to make a lot of money and it has to make it fast. I think that there are 2 scenarios: a series of child abuse court cases lined up in the system OR the Society has experienced a loss on the stock market and isn't saying anything about it.

    Anyone who is under what I call the "GB spell" or who is "asleep at the wheel" won't figure it out until it's too late, because they have been mentally conditioned to believe that the Society is "invincible."
     
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    If the Watch Tower, the only true religion(sic) is false, than are not all religions false? We have only one shepherd to follow, Jesus our Lord, Son of Jehovah...we do not' follow any man, nor can any man save us.
     
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    Why attend meetings ?

    Joshua said,

    "Jesus knew the temple was full of robbers and thieves, but yet he continued to attend the festivals and to visit the temple regularly, why?"



    The Jewish system of things was foretold to fail. Jesus came to expose its hypocrisy, and inability to forgive sin. He was the true sacrifice and high priest.

    We, sons of the kingdom, are appointed priests of Father Jehovah, ...ambassadore substituting for Christ. We can preach the truth as Christ taught. The question though is;

    "Whose 'truth' will we preach?"

    Can we trail along for awhile in the 'Organization'....even if it goes down in flames , and we find out it is now handled by unscrupulous men?

    Personal decision, yes. I stayed on two years after I started partaking, and received jeers, envy/hateful looks. Apostate is what I was, as I was teaching from my seat the honest verses from John, Revelation, and others that clearly show we all should partake of the emblems, for one.

    I saw no one was assimilating what I understood, so, as an ambassador of the truth, I had to follow my conscience , and I checked out. But , as I said, I tried to teach others for two years; nothing.
     
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    I tend to think he continued to visit the temple because he said it was the house of his father. There would be no need to expose it if it were not his fathers house still at that time.

    The constant feature and the temple were considered in tact as the house of God until it's destruction in 70 CE, that is what was prophesied. Therefore the reason Jesus went to the temple was because it was the house of God, his fathers house.
     
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    DITTO:

    I am not of the 144,000. I take of the bread, and the wine at home. Jesus said, "Do this in remembrance of me.â€￾ He did not say only those with him at the last supper to do it. He said, “Those who do it will have life.â€￾ The Watch Tower does not let any who do not claim to be of the 144,000 partake. That is false. All religions hold back on something. If they don’t hold back, they change major doctrines. True Jesus said, “I have other sheep not of this flock.â€￾ He did not say, “I have other sheep not of this flock that should not partake.â€￾ Jehovah seems to overlook the big stuff we do. It is the little stuff we can do that gets in his craw. Moses said to the people, "There, I have given you water."
    That one little one letter word got him in trouble with the boss, it took credit from Jehovah.
    When the last of the 144,000 are sealed, Jehovah will destroy this system...strange, the WT shows the number partaking every year goes down...I know the scriptures are right...it must mean men are wrong again.
     
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    Sister Wallflower,

    I have some thoughts about the method being used
     
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    Eph. 2:21,22
     
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    Thanks, John S, for sharing that scripture. I like that thought too, about how "the whole building is harmoniously joined together and growing into a holy temple for Jehovah."
     

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