Your experience has been similar to mine.

I wouldn't be a Jehovah's Witness anymore without these deductions we call the "TTATT"

Really, "TTATT" should just be called the "obviously deduced pattern from the scriptures" LOL

Our brothers and sisters still in the dark about this are going to have a collective sigh of relief, and "face palm" about how obvious it is, when this becomes common knowledge.

It's going to take "terror" to make them understand the things heard (Isaiah's language).

Then the WW1 / WW2 version of Jehovah's Witnesses will emerge again.

 

Indeed -- they are "EXJW" on Reddit. A "rebellious generation", and I can't blame them necessarily. They recognize parts of "TTATT" but their desire to leave trumps logic and reason.

"many will be stumbled"

"But the people who know their God will prevail and act effectively. 33 And those having insight among the people will impart understanding to the many. And they will be made to stumble by sword and by flame, by captivity and by plundering, for some days"

- Daniel 11

The people born as JWs didn't come to the faith in the way many of us here did, .. namely, recognizing the truth when you hear it.

Jesus is the Son of God, God isn't torturing people eternally in fire, nationalism is a trap, etc.

 

This is the pattern:

spiritual enlightenment -> ease of life -> slumber -> spiritual depravity -> spiritual shackles -> apostasy -> remnant -> spiritual enlightenment.

I believe the book of Isaiah is a shadow road-map for the New Covenant worshipers of Jehovah going through this process.

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Speaking of the judgment of the house of God:

When the raging flash flood passes through, You will be crushed by it.

As often as it passes through, It will sweep you away;

For it will pass through morning after morning, During the day and during the night.

Only terror will make them understand what was heard.”

Isaiah 28

During WW1 and WW2 Jehovah's Witnesses were making the right argument. "spiritual enlightenment" and the freedom which comes with it.

We're now in spiritual shackles, ramping into the great stumbling.

Jehovah's Witnesses can't be convinced of this.

"only terror will make them understand what was heard"

 

The question for me is:

- Was WW1 / WW2 our "example" of the concluding mechanics?

I'm certain JWs won't participate in WW3, so it seems implicit to me in our religion that we're going to be public spectacles of the Christian argument when nations-are-rising-against nations.

Except this time, "1914" is debunked, and the sackcloth is put on.

We shall see.

 

I always enjoyed the deeper things of scripture, such as chronology and prophecy. I had the benefit of studying with some very intelligent brothers over many years, and learned allot from them, but I always had one nagging question in scripture I just couldn't figure out, how in the world Dan 4 and the tree represented the Davadic throne.

Well, some ten years ago now I was once told by a couple who had some 50 years in the Truth, "there really isn't a connection, but don't worry about it", and that made me look more. I hadn't searched the internet for such things because that would have been allowing apostates to influence me, but I finally had to know, so after searching I discovered that 1914 was an artfully contrived mistake, and that is where my work picked up.

I am still one of Jehovah's Witnesses in good standing, and believe that the constant feature is the organization, I just wait upon Jehovah to open their eyes, no one has ever done any good trying to open their eyes on there own, it only causes heartache and pain.

We here wait for that moment our Lord comes to call on us for his work. It's more important to us here to grow spiritually and learn as much as we can, in order to be prepared, for when that time comes.

 

You sir, are wise.

 

Sometimes we may forget that we have spent years together, and we understand our scriptural lingo, while our meaning can be missed by others.

So I'll put my spin on your "when sackcloth is put on", for the new ones.

We do not believe the preaching in sackcloth occurred in 1914 as the Watchtower currently teaches. The premise is taken from Rev 11;

Rev 11:3 "I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy for 1,260 days dressed in sackcloth."

This of course represents the moment the constant feature is removed, and the Watchtower teaches this occurred the moment Christ Jesus was enthroned... (For whatever reason)

Dan 12:7 "It will be for an appointed time, appointed times, and half a time."

Then we are taught when the two witnesses are killed for three and a half days, this represents the 9 months some brothers went to jail in 1918... three and a half equal=9 months. So they say the 1260 days are literal, but the three and a half symbolic... Anyway....

As we know, the Watchtower believes the tree in Dan 4 represent the Davadic throne, and that the king was set back on that throne after 2520 years, while Babylon supposedly took Israel captive in 607, so hence, you get 1914.

We here understand that to all be false, an artfully contrived operation of error. (2Th 2)

Instead, we understand that the kingdom of God has NOT been established yet on earth, and the constant feature has NOT been removed yet, and we know that the constant feature to be removed is the Watchtower itself, for their errors and treatment of Gods little ones.

Eze 34:2-6 "Woe to the shepherds of Israel, who have been feeding themselves! Is it not the flock that the shepherds should feed? You eat the fat, you clothe yourselves with the wool, and you slaughter the fattest animal, but you do not feed the flock. You have not strengthened the weak or healed the sick or bandaged the injured or brought back the strays or looked for the lost; rather, you have ruled them with harshness and tyranny. So they were scattered because there was no shepherd; they were scattered and became food for every wild beast of the field. My sheep were straying on all the mountains and on every high hill; my sheep were scattered over all the surface of the earth, with no one searching for them or seeking to find them."

So we wait for when that time does come. We keep our lamps full, waiting for our Lord to knock, for we may be of some use.

 

They are two literal individuals who also represent the 144k as a whole. They are both literal and metaphoric.

If you study the nuances of Zech 3 and 4, along with Rev 11, you will find that these two can only be two individuals, but yet what they represent is entrenched throughout all scripture, and that is Christs brothers as a whole.

As for the fire breathing part, their powers are tied into the trumpets and bowls, and you can find that subject here: "The Two Wtnesses Power"