How the WT Profanes Gods Name

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    So, I've kept an ongoing study in scripture, in which while studying other material I keep an eye out for the "how" the Watchtower profanes Gods name. We have pretty clear evidence why the WT falls, and why Jehovah sends the Northener to bring down his house in general, but the question is, what are the words the little horn speaks, what is the denunciations hurled and the action by the WT that profanes Gods name in the world?

    As I mentioned before, we have the reason Jehovah brings down his own house in just about every prophetic book in scripture; But the specific error by Gods people in the eyes of the nations? Certainly it's not enough for the nations to bring down Gods people because they send his sheep out without a shepherd, or practice spiritual fornication. There must be something the nations find illegal that facilitates them to come against Gods house, but does scripture tell us what that is?

    I suppose I'm opening this thread to draw on everyone's memory of this subject in scripture, and list a few things I've noticed. I would start with Isaiah;

    Isa 30:1-5 "Woe to the stubborn sons, declares Jehovah, “Who carry out plans that are not mine, Who make alliances, but not by my spirit, In order to add sin to sin. They go down to Egypt without consulting me, To take shelter under Pharʹaoh’s protection, And to take refuge in the shadow of Egypt! But the protection of Pharʹaoh will become for you a reason for shame, And refuge in Egypt’s shadow a cause for humiliation. For his princes are in Zoʹan, And his envoys have reached Haʹnes. They will all be put to shame By a people who can bring no benefit to them, Who offer no help and no benefit, Only shame and disgrace.”

    These series of verses are very interesting as it pertains to this subject, and if anyone would like to add some commentary that would be great, or insight into other prophecies that bare significance I thank you...
     
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    So if Zoan (Wikipedia) is where Moses performed the miracles before Pharaoh, then this moment spoken of in Isa 30 is prophetic of the period just before the plagues of Revelation. Pharaoh's princes will be at their locations in order to witness those coming plagues prophetic in the time of the end, and performed by the two witnesses of which Moses was a first type.

    I will insert a bit of my own interpretation here for a moment, in that I have come to understand Egypt in prophecy as the US (as many of our brothers also have) so with that said, let me speculate for a moment. If Pharaoh is the President of the US, then his princes could be his sons, or even those with him. Now it's interesting that in fact the Watchtower has carried out business, and as well asked for political favors from the presidents own son-in-law, Mr Kushner .(So the theory goes)

    Let me quote an news article HERE:

    "Pressure mounts on President Donald Trump to take action against Russia over a ban placed on the religious organization (Jehovah's Witnesses) by the country’s Supreme Court.

    There were earlier reports that Trump has warned the Russian government to reverse its decision as he ‘would use the country’s own constitution against them”.

    Jared Kushner, who doubles as Trump’s in-law and Senior Advisor to the President is known to be a very good business associate of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    Steven Scott, a political analyst said the Jehovah’s Witnesses “have a friend with the president’s ear” and as such, Jared Kushner would persuade the presidency to act on Russia’s decision.

    A source close to the White House has hinted that Kushner is mounting pressure on his in-law [Donald Trump] as he [Kushner] would be chairing a committee to “pressure and take action against Russia” until it lifts the ban on Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    “Probably Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia could seek asylum in the United States if it doesn’t work out” – the source said."

    (End quote)

    If these matters are fact, then I could see a direct fulfillment of Gods word in Isa 30 when it says "They go down to Egypt without consulting me, To take shelter under Pharʹaoh’s protection, And to take refuge in the shadow of Egypt! But the protection of Pharʹaoh will become for you a reason for shame, And refuge in Egypt’s shadow a cause for humiliation."

    As well, if Kushner lobbied Russian officials and investors to invest in his purchase of the buildings in Dumbo, and that information comes out in the Mueller probe, what would that do to the image of JW's? No doubt in those thousands of emails Mueller now has is emails between him and ranking members of the Jehovah's Witnesses.
     
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    "What will you do on the day of your appointed festivals, on the feast days of the Lord? Even if they escape from destruction, Egypt will gather them, and Memphis will bury them." Hos 9:5,6
     
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    I've come across something interesting I wanted to share.

    Kenneth Copeland says, "2018 will be a year of the Holy Ghost and fire!" What does he mean by this"?

    There was a meeting of world religious leaders in Oct 2017 known as "Kairos 2017", with the agenda of these leaders being to bring about unity of all Christian denominations, bringing all Christendom under the head of the Catholic church.

    That year was the 500th year since the separation of the Protestant faith, since Martin Luther had nailed his thesis to the door of the Catholic church. These ones who head this revival such as Kenneth Copeland (who was the main speaker at this event), now describes the Protestant reformation as a product of Satan, as a product of division driven by Satanic influence. With no regard for the thousands who died bringing the Bible to all of us, to bring faith and hope to all of us, to put an end to the tyranny of Roman Catholicism, and so on, they announce Martin Luthers "protest" as the great sin devised by Satan himself.

    Kenneth Copeland said "The protest of Luther is over", and now that he supports the "joint declaration on the doctrine of justification" that was signed in 1999, that brings about an almost complete one world religion, uniting Catholics, Lutherans, Methodist, Evangelical and Protestant alike.

    Another spokesman for this gathering together with the Catholic church is Bishop Tony Palmer, who also says "The protest of Luther is over.", and that "It was the division that was diabolic." Both he and Copeland explain that "true racism" in the world is the separation of faiths, and that the laws keeping separation in place is "the real sin" that caused division, and this includes the law of separation between church and state. Even the Pope says in one of his comments, "It was sin that separated us." According to these men "This law must be abolished that empowers separation", that law of the separation of church and state.

    These three talk about their mission being in the "spirit of Elijah". Why do they say this? Elijah is the one that caused fire to come down before men to burn up the worshipers of Baal, to bring about the regathering of the people, and they believe they will be fulfilling that prophecy of the Elijah to come this year, and that this gathering together represents it's fulfillment, once the cleansing by fire takes place. I quote Mr Copeland on what he, the Pope and this Mr Palmer apparently have spoken together with, that will be fulfilled this 2018, "But we're going to have spiritual explosions going on throughout 2018 in the areas, particularly in the areas of holiness and cleansing."

    Now we know that the fires refine Gods people, and the judgement begins with the house of God. (1Pt 4:17) So if they need to "get rid of all forces standing in the way of unity" (as Mr Palmer said) then the Jehovah's Witnesses have to go. If it's a time for "cleansing in 2018" as Mr Copeland has said, then this could be the time, this could be the year the fire comes down from heaven to refine Gods people, as gold is refined, (Zech 13:9) and the judgement to begin with the house of God!

    Kenneth Copeland apparently knows of something coming:



    "Kairos" means an appointed time, and it was the Jewish feasts that were set up in their appointed times and seasons to be fulfilled in their own times.



    Just as Tony Palmer, and the Pope are aware:



    Mr Copeland's Oct 2017 speech is available online, as are many other resources and commentaries on his and these others comments, so feel free to look into this matter further, but these men seem to be unwittingly fulfilling prophecy that will end in a manner they do not expect. For God will use them to come against his house for their errors, yes, but he will demand the blood of all mankind back from THEM there after!

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    Have the Jesuits penetrated the Watchtower?

    "Fifth column" Wikipedia

    "A fifth column is any group of people who undermine a larger group from within, usually in favor of an enemy group or nation. The activities of a fifth column can be overt or clandestine. Forces gathered in secret can mobilize openly to assist an external attack. This term is also extended to organized actions by military personnel. Clandestine fifth column activities can involve acts of sabotage, disinformation, or espionage executed within defense lines by secret sympathizers with an external force."

    The Jesuit Initiation

    http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-oath.html

    "My son, heretofore you have been taught to act the dissembler: among Roman Catholics to be a Roman Catholic, and to be a spy even among your own brethren; to believe no man, to trust no man. Among the Reformers, to be a reformer; among the Huguenots, to be a Huguenot; among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist; among other Protestants, generally to be a Protestant, and obtaining their confidence, to seek even to preach from their pulpits, and to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and even to descend so low as to become a Jew among Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for the benefit of your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope.

    You have been taught to insidiously plant the seeds of jealousy and hatred between communities, provinces, states that were at peace, and incite them to deeds of blood, involving them in war with each other, and to create revolutions and civil wars in countries that were independent and prosperous, cultivating the arts and the sciences and enjoying the blessings of peace. To take sides with the combatants and to act secretly with your brother Jesuit, who might be engaged on the other side, but openly opposed to that with which you might be connected, only that the Church might be the gainer in the end, in the conditions fixed in the treaties for peace and that the end justifies the means.

    You have been taught your duty as a spy, to gather all statistics, facts and information in your power from every source; to ingratiate yourself into the confidence of the family circle of Protestants and heretics of every class and character, as well as that of the merchant, the banker, the lawyer, among the schools and universities, in parliaments and legislatures, and the judiciaries and councils of state, and to be all things to all men, for the Pope's sake, whose servants we are unto death.

    You have received all your instructions heretofore as a novice, a neophyte, and have served as co-adjurer, confessor and priest, but you have not yet been invested with all that is necessary to command in the Army of Loyola in the service of the Pope. You must serve the proper time as the instrument and executioner as directed by your superiors; for none can command here who has not consecrated his labors with the blood of the heretic; for "without the shedding of blood no man can be saved." Therefore, to fit yourself for your work and make your own salvation sure, you will, in addition to your former oath of obedience to your order and allegiance to the Pope, repeat after me---

    The Extreme Oath of the Jesuits:

    "1, _ now, in the presence of Almighty God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed Michael the Archangel, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the holy Apostles St. Peter and St. Paul and all the saints and sacred hosts of heaven, and to you, my ghostly father, the Superior General of the Society of Jesus, founded by St. Ignatius Loyola in the Pontificate of Paul the Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the virgin, the matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear, that his holiness the Pope is Christ's Vice-regent and is the true and only head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and that by virtue of the keys of binding and loosing, given to his Holiness by my Savior, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose heretical kings, princes, states, commonwealths and governments, all being illegal without his sacred confirmation and that they may safely be destroyed. Therefore, to the utmost of my power I shall and will defend this doctrine of his Holiness' right and custom against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority whatever, especially the Lutheran of Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and the now pretended authority and churches of England and Scotland, and branches of the same now established in Ireland and on the Continent of America and elsewhere; and all adherents in regard that they be usurped and heretical, opposing the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now renounce and disown any allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or state named Protestants or Liberals, or obedience to any of the laws, magistrates or officers.

    I do further declare that the doctrine of the churches of England and Scotland, of the Calvinists, Huguenots and others of the name Protestants or Liberals to be damnable and they themselves damned who will not forsake the same.

    I do further declare, that I will help, assist, and advise all or any of his Holiness' agents in any place wherever I shall be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, England, Ireland or America, or in any other Kingdom or territory I shall come to, and do my uttermost to extirpate the heretical Protestants or Liberals' doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, regal or otherwise.

    I do further promise and declare, that notwithstanding I am dispensed with, to assume my religion heretical, for the propaganda of the Mother Church's interest, to keep secret and private all her agents' counsels from time to time, as they may entrust me and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or circumstance whatever; but to execute all that shall be proposed, given in charge or discovered unto me, by you, my ghostly father, or any of this sacred covenant.

    I do further promise and declare, that I will have no opinion or will of my own, or any mental reservation whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the Militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ.

    That I may go to any part of the world withersoever I may be sent, to the frozen regions of the North, the burning sands of the desert of Africa, or the jungles of India, to the centers of civilization of Europe, or to the wild haunts of the barbarous savages of America, without murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all things whatsoever communicated to me.

    I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.

    In confirmation of which, I hereby dedicate my life, my soul and all my corporal powers, and with this dagger which I now receive, I will subscribe my name written in my own blood, in testimony thereof; and should I prove false or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and fellow soldiers of the Militia of the Pope cut off my hands and my feet, and my throat from ear to ear, my belly opened and sulphur burned therein, with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on earth and my soul be tortured by demons in an eternal hell forever!

    All of which, I, _, do swear by the Blessed Trinity and blessed Sacraments, which I am now to receive, to perform and on my part to keep inviolable; and do call all the heavenly and glorious host of heaven to witness the blessed Sacrament of the Eucharist, and witness the same further with my name written and with the point of this dagger dipped in my own blood and sealed in the face of this holy covenant."

    (He receives the wafer from the Superior and writes his name with the point of his dagger dipped in his own blood taken from over his heart.)"
     
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    So similar arguments for unity as at Jehovah's witnesses. That unity is more important than doctrine. That you should not try to correct false doctrines in order to preserve unity.

    But Jesus said the truth will set you free. And Jesus set the example. He did not come to unite the Pharisees and Sadducees or other factions. He came instead to bring in the truth and expose the falsehood and hypocrisy.
     
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    2018 I expect will bring great changes. September 23 2017 has passed, and to my understanding soon after this date Revelation 12 and 13 should start to fulfill. I am expecting the North Korea crisis to lead soon to the death stroke of one of the heads of the beast. And shortly its revival with a NWO and defiling of the holy place with the disgusting thing.
     
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    I have waited my entire life to see the Fulfillment of just one of the prophecies that they keep telling me it's supposed to happen I hope just for once it actually happens it would be a welcome change!
     
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    Greetings...

    I have been doing some thinking these last few days about this subject, and I wanted to share some insight.

    The image of the wild beast in Rev 13 could very well be the "Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification (JDDJ)". An agreement between many differing religions to come together into one understanding, not unlike the EU or UN charters.

    The Holy See will do everything it can to get rid of the Reformation, and it's war is against Protestantism. If the Holy See is plotting against JW.org, for not excepting their "JDDJ" then they will cast blasphemies against the Watchtower into all the world news.

    Are their some of the Governing Body who already have ties with the Holy See? Have the Jesuits penetrated JW.org?

    We shall see...

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