Joshua wrote detailed posts about these dates last year.

 

I understand

I believe it works like this:

The Jewish festival days represent different phases or moments within God's plan for redeeming mankind from sin and death.

The Festival of Weeks, Booths, Day of Atonement, etc.

Between 2015 - 2018 the festival days lineup directly with Revelation / Daniel calculations.

The next time this happens is 2030-2034 I believe.

It's interesting, at the very least. So counting would begin on those festival days, as you point out.

(this isn't in reference to Joshua's graphic explanation of the events/days, which is what you are probably referencing; IIRC he wrote another post about these festival days, and specific date calculations)

 

Oh I see Jan... you are talking about the astrological timing for the 'signs'.

Sorry, that is a different topic than the festival calculations.

I would say "no" it means nothing, simply because it's predicated on 'star' alignments, which Jehovah repudiates countless times.

On that principle alone I would say the date is bunk.

 

When the 'people of a leader' who is coming tries to 'change times and laws' and will 'cause sacrifice and gift offerings to cease' we will know for sure that the 1260 days has passed.

Then a final 1260 days with all of it's latter events are impending. (which is where Joshua's graphic enters - the last half-week of the 7 weeks)

'people of a leader' - 8th king (Daniel 9)
'change times' - New global order, the nations 'rage' and try to tear Jehovah and Christ's chains off (Psalm 2)
'cause sacrifice and gift offerings to cease' - Christian worship banned (Daniel 9)

I'm not sure we'll know exactly when the first half of the week starts, but maybe I'm forgetting a particular verse which would indicate such.

 

Actually, I'm a dope, we do know when the first 1260 days begins.

When the beast rises from the abyss (the impending financial collapse IMO), and begins persecuting Christians, that marks the final 7 year period.

So until the post-Roman Western feet of iron and clay collapses, it's all guesswork, and I doubt there is a hidden 'date' somewhere.

But 'tis the season, eh?

 

SingleCell, what makes you think there are 7 years for the time of the end? I know this is a common belief among many, and I have studied many people who have many reasons why they think that is the case, but just curious to why you think that.

The most common reason is Dan 9:27; “And he will keep the covenant in force for the many for one week; and at the half of the week, he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease." In the first century this scripture was fulfilled starting with Jesus baptism, then at the half of the week he was sacrificed, then 3.5 years later Cornelius was baptized completing the promised covenant to Israel for a Messiah.

If you would like to read my explanation of the last 70 weeks you can find that HERE!

 

I read Daniel 9's prophecy about the 7 & 62 weeks as separate prophecies.

First the 62 weeks from the rebuilding of Jerusalem until the messiah is killed.

----- ~2000 year time break -------

Then the final week / 7 days, which Revelation 12 / 13 / 17 / 18 and Daniel 7 / 8 / 12 reference:

“And he will keep the covenant in force for the many for one week; and at the half of the week, he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease."

That may be completely wrong though I've never really invested much time into Daniel 9, so thanks for the post, I'll read it and comment

 

I am familiar with this idea, and it has no scriptural backing. There is nothing to suggest there is any gap in the 70 weeks. Jehovah fulfilled his covenant to Israel for a Messiah in 29CE, he was cut off 3.5 years later. That covenant ended when Cornelius was baptized allowing all of mankind to come into the new covenant. Israel at that moment ceased to be a nation under a covenant with God and instead it was offered to all of mankind. Hence why Jerusalem of today is all of Christs brothers, not the physical nation once Cornelius was baptized and the 70th week ended.

In the time of the end these weeks are actually weeks. They had to be simply weeks at some point...

 

What do you make of the following verses though? (Daniel 9:26b-27)

“And the people of a leader who is coming will destroy the city and the holy place.

And its end will be by the flood. And until the end there will be war; what is decided upon is desolations.

27 “And he will keep the covenant in force for the many for one week; and at the half of the week, he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease.

“And on the wing of disgusting things there will be the one causing desolation;+ and until an extermination, what was decided on will be poured out also on the one lying desolate.â€￾

What am I missing?

 

jw.org just came in really handy.

Man, I'm dumb.

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003915

 

The destruction of the holy place and city is simply mentioned out of time, lust like the sentence right before it. Verse 26a says Jesus will be cut off after the 62 weeks. Well yea, but not when the 62 weeks end but at 69 and a half weeks the Massiah will be cut off.

It is the same with Rome (or 8th king in time of the end), the incident is mentioned but not meant to be included in the 70 weeks prophecy. We already know this to be true by their first fulfillments in Jesus's ministry, and in 70CE when the holy place was destroyed.

The reason verse 27 separates the 70th weeks discussion from the 62 and 7 is that there are two time periods these events will have a fulfillment. Notice how 26b and 27b are almost identicle, except 26b is more specific of 70CE, while 27b is more specific of the end time, although though both represent both times as well.

You know what's interesting? I was just thinking, since you bring this subject up Im starting to think about the time between the end of the 69th week and why 26 mentions it at all. It just so happens that in the chronology that I have put forth that there are 40 days from the moment the 69th week ends and the disgusting thing completes its destruction on the temple, and do you know how many years after the 69th week ended in the first century until Rome completed its destruction on the temple? 40 years. If you use 30 as the date Jesus was baptized and 70 as the destruction of the holy place, or 29 and 69 there may be some room there to figure out perhaps the exact time Jesus was baptized!

Also look at 26b and 27b, 26b talks about the flood, remember "just as in the days of Noah"? It would appear this scripture is using that metaphor for Armeggedon! As well 27b "causing desolation" denotes in the process. It would appear the 8th king will have great success against the remnant before Jehovah cuts those days short, and no doubt the one lying desolate is that female riding the 8th king that had been turned on and destroyed, she being the opisite of Christs bride.

So I will need to dig into this more, but again through our conversations you open up a door that I hadn't thought of before, thanks!

The years between the weeks and the disgusting thing in the first century appear to be the same number of days between the weeks and the disgusting thing in the time of the end!

 

I enjoyed the video, though I completely disagree with his assessment.

The 'woman' that gave birth to Christ's kingdom is not Virgo the constellation, and he never mentions the correlating verses about Jacob / Rachel / 11 brothers as the 'sun' and 'moon' and stars from Genesis 37:9

'Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. "Listen," he said, "I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me."

This to me is the entry point for understanding Revelation 12, not constellations (IMO).

Some further reasoning, the following verses about the dragon in the exact same context:

Another sign was seen in heaven. Look! A great fiery-colored dragon, with seven heads and ten horns and on its heads seven diadems

Clearly, this 'sign in the heaven' is not a constellation, which means the presenter will have to shift interpretive methods between verses. I'm not sure there is justification to say 'this sign is a constellation' and then 'this sign is partially constellation and partially Satan / the beast / etc'

Reading Revelation 12 with constellation alignments as a meter for dating the start of the 3 1/2 years makes the prophecy nonsense.

I truly have no judgment against anyone that goes down this path -- it's just information -- but from a conceptual entry into understanding these symbols, this line of reasoning reminds me of:

Daniel 4:7 - Then came in the magicians, the astrologers, the Chaldeans, and the soothsayers: and I told the dream before them; but they did not make known unto me the interpretation thereof.

Daniel could tell dreams because he heard from God, not because he understood some 'formula' about the stars. It's a dead end for that reason primarily.

 

There is nothing new in his explanations then anyone who believes the pre-trib theory.

He also tries to claim there is a 2000 year gap between the 69th and 70th week, which again as I said is personal interpretation and contains no scriptural evidence. There is simply nothing to say the 70th week does not simply follow the 69th, and in fact that is exactly the case.

He claims the 42 months in chapter 11 are different days then the 1260 days in 12. He claims that the 1260 days of 12 tack on at the end of the 42 months of 11, and this also is a personal interpretation and has no scriptural backing. They in fact are the same time period.

He claims the Antichrist is a human. The Antichrist described in Rev 13 is a beast, and beasts in scripture represent nations.

He claims that you can receive the mark of the beast after the first 42 months and before the last 1260 days in the "middle trib" and this as well is personal interpretation without regard to chronology of all scripture and is based only on the fact that the mark is mentioned after the 42 months are mentioned. Just because the two witnesses 42 months, nothing is said that those 42 months end before anything further in the chapter occurs, such as "after those days".

He uses astrology as part of Bible interpretation. To claim that Jehovah uses "Virgo" a mythical Pagan Greek god in the constellations as Biblical prophecy is an idea that he has allowed Satan to influence him in. (In my opinion)

It's interesting the way he claims the stars line up, but keep in mind Satan keeps making himself an angel of light, and has had thousands of years to influence Greek mythology to match what ever he wishes. Whether his star map is accurate for the exact day he claims it will be in Sep 2017 of course is another question. Also how many times in history these stellar events line up is another question that has to be answered. It may be nothing special.

Though we wont have long to see if this guy is right, he claims the rapture will be this spring!

At least he says at 37:00 that it's all speculative, hopefully he meant that.

I don't doubt his sincerity from that one video and he obviously has faith, and I commend him for that, but I wouldn't confuse confidence with accuracy.

2Tim 3:7 "always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth."