Is Genesis Chapter 1 only describing the creation of the physical universe, or more?

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  1. Hi All:

    This is another part of the letter written to the Society in 1992 that shows that Genesis 1 is describing the creation of the physical universe but also the spiritual as well. It is a rather long read but I don't think you will be disappointed. Sorry about the formatting of the material. I formatted it in Word but when I paste it to this site the formatting gets all moooooshed together, sorry! I manually put in some paragraph spacing, hope that helps a little.

    frank

    [G.2] Genesis chapter 1:

    'In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth' (Gen 1:1).
    So this chapter of Genesis is not only about the creation of the earth, it is also about the creation of the heavens. Since it describes the creation of all of the creatures on the earth, it must therefore also describe the creation of all of the creatures in the heavens. This is why we read in Genesis 2:1:
    'Thus the heavens and the earth and all their army came to their completion.'

    This has the meaning that the account in Genesis one is the creation of the earth and all of the living things in it and of the heavens and of all of the living things, i.e. spirit beings, in them. In other words it is the account of all physical and all spiritual creation.
    'Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep; and God's active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters' (Gen 1:1).

    The 'surface of the waters' is a repeated concept, it therefore has two meanings, and there is a greater 'surface of the waters' over which Jehovah's Holy spirit was moving (Gen 41:25,32; Amos 3:3-7, LS [2]). The physical surface of the waters was the surface of the dihydrogen oxide on the planet earth. The spiritual surface of the waters was the appearance, i.e. character, of all of the spirit creatures in the heavens, none of whom had yet been fully examined in order to determine their allegiance to Jehovah God, and so they were formless and waste at that time, they were not yet ready to be used because they had not yet demonstrated where their loyalties lay.
    The sequence of events in the first day is that Jehovah first decrees that light should appear and then he actually makes light appear (Gen 1:3-5). These two actions of the decree followed by the creation characterise each of the six creative days is Genesis chapter one. Spelling this out we read:

    First day
    Decree: Let there be light
    Creation: There came to be light

    Second day
    Decree: Let an expanse come to be
    Creation: God proceeded to make an expanse

    Third day
    Decree: Let the dry land appear
    Creation: And it came to be so
    Decree: Let the earth cause grass to shoot forth
    Creation: The earth began to put forth grass

    Fourth day
    Decree: Let luminaries come to be
    Creation: And God proceeded to make the two great luminaries

    Fifth day
    Decree: Let the waters swarm forth a swarm of living souls
    Creation: And God proceeded to make the great sea monsters

    Sixth day
    Decree: Let us make man in our image
    Creation: And God proceeded to create the man in his image
    The decree and subsequent creation are a repeated reference to the creative action, so there is a greater meaning to each physical creation. This greater meaning is the heavenly equivalent or spiritual equivalent to the earthly creation. This spiritual equivalent is the one which is expressed in Genesis as the decree. The earthly creation, in each of the first five days, is mentioned second and is stated as a creation (the situation is a little different in the sixth day). This is why the first ten words in the bible are:

    'In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth' (Gen 1:1).

    Maybe we now understand the first ten words in the bible!

    'And God proceeded to say: "Let there be light." Then there came to be light. After that God saw that the light was good, and God brought about a division between the light and the darkness. And God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a first day' (Gen 1:3-5).

    Amen, and these were the events of the 'first day'. Now this 'day' had an evening, i.e. a time period associated with darkness and invisibility, and a morning, i.e. a time period associated with light and visibility. Having created the light we see that Jehovah pronounces it 'good'. Now the light is associated with the 'Day' which starts with the 'morning' and the darkness is associated with the 'Night', which starts with the 'evening'. So the implication is that the 'day' and the 'morning', which are 'light' and visible, are 'good'. But, the 'night' and the 'evening' which are 'dark' and invisible and not good (John 1:4,5, Col 1:13). Indeed this is why the scripture says 'but the darkness he called Night'.

    The physical light on the physical earth created a physical division between day and night, whereas the spiritual light which was shed on the spiritual waters of the heavens created an angelic division into the sons of the darkness and the sons of the light. This was their first inspection, and they became divided into light and dark, or good and not good.

    In the first five days of Genesis we see the same division, and the same symbolism. In each day, the evening, being dark, relates to the spiritual meaning, pertaining to the invisible things, which is stated as the decree, which comes first, and bears no pronouncement. Then the morning relates to the physical meaning, the visible creation, which is stated as the creation, which is second and is, except in day 2, pronounced good. And Paul would agree, for he says:
    'For you are all sons of light and sons of day. We belong neither to light nor darkness' (1 Thess 5:5).

    'And God went on to say: "Let an expanse come to be in between the waters and let a dividing occur between the waters and the waters". Then God proceeded to make the expanse and to make a division between the waters that should be beneath the expanse and the waters that should be above the expanse. And it came to be so. And God began to call the expanse heaven. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a second day' (Gen 1:6-8).
    Physically, in the morning part, this expanse is the atmosphere of the earth, which separates the clouds from the rivers and the seas. But the physical is a mirror of the spiritual. Now whereas the clouds above are clean and pure and distilled and in the light, the seas below are dirty and impure and in the often in the dark. This position reflects the spiritual situation in heaven. In this second day, having determined which angels are loyal to Jehovah (the sons of the light) and which are not so loyal (the sons of the darkness) the true God then divides his heavenly creatures and separates them by 'an expanse' which is some sort of heavenly barrier, which is symbolised by the atmosphere of the earth. Then the loyal angels are the 'waters that should be above the expanse', and the more autonomous group are the 'waters that should be beneath the expanse' (Gen 1:7), in the heavenly meaning. This is actually spelt out in Psalm 148:4:
    'Praise him you heavens of the heavens, and you waters that are above the heavens. Let them praise the name of Jehovah; For he himself commanded and they were created'.

    We have seen this symbolism of light and darkness all over the scriptures and at the 1992 'light-bearers' conventions. The same division occurred later with the sons of men, we read in John 3:19:

    'Now this is the basis for judgement, that the light has come into the world, but men have loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works were wicked.'
    Yes, their works were following after the works of the angels who preferred the darkness, who were exposed before man was born.

    'And God went on to say: "Let the waters under the heavens be brought together into one place and let the dry land appear." And it came to be so. And God began calling the dry land Earth, but the bringing together of the waters he called seas. Further, God saw that it was good' (Gen 1:9,10).
    The Septuagint replaces: 'And it came to be so' with:
    'And the waters which are under the heaven were collected into their meetings and the dry land appeared'.

    The physical meaning is obvious. The spiritual meaning is that the waters beneath, which are the angels who opted for some sort of autonomy (i.e. ate of the spiritual tree of knowledge of good and bad), are all located together in one place or condition, and then they are allowed to develop a guiding structure for themselves. In other words they form some kind of administration. The earth sets the boundaries for and guides the seas, this symbolism is the same as that of Revelation. In fact one has to understand the symbolism of Revelation before one can understand the meaning of Genesis (Mark 10:31).
    'And God went on to say: "Let the earth cause grass to shoot forth, vegetation bearing seed, fruit trees yielding fruit according to their kinds, the seed of which is in it, upon the earth." And it came to be so. And the earth began to put forth grass, vegetation bearing seed according to its kind. Then God saw that it was good. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a third day' (Gen 1:11-13).

    The decree refers to the heavenly part of this creation. In this meaning the vegetation bearing seed is the fruits of the two heavenly administrations, the dark heavenly administration and the administration of the light. The heavenly administration of the light was already there on day one, the administration of the darkness appears on day three. Hence the trees, i.e. high up ones in these administrations, are 'yielding fruit according to their kinds' (verse 11). In other words the administration of the darkness is producing dark fruits and the administration of the light is producing good fruit. It is as Jesus said:
    'By their fruits you will recognise them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles do they?' (Mat 7:16).

    Whereas there is no pronouncement of good or bad in the decree, which refers to the heavenly fruits, which are the two seeds which we eventually see in Gen 3:15, the physical fruit, which is referred to in the creation part of the third day, is declared to be good. This is because the physical creation is all direct from God and so is good, whereas the spiritual creation has left God in part, opting for autonomy, and so is not all good. It is also repeated that the fruits are produced according to kind, which in the physical sense means that orange trees bear oranges etc. In fact all of the reproducing after kind in physical creation has been put there to show to angels and to men that a dark tree produces dark fruit, and a light tree produces light fruit. In other words once a soul has left Jehovah it will sin, and once a soul has found Jehovah it will cease sinning.

    By now the reader may have remembered that in the Hebrew day, the evening preceded the morning. This fact, which mirrors the order of events in the first six creative days, is showing us that the spiritual situation in each day actually preceded the physical creation by God. In other words, in this third day, first we had the two opposing heavenly administrations (hence Satan's name) producing various light and dark fruits according to their kinds. Then, second, we had the physical trees and vegetation on the earth producing good and bad fruits to eat. The first spiritual fruits were invisible and associated with the evening, and the second fruits are visible and so are associated with the day, in fact the physical fruits grow by means of light (photosynthesis), which means that they belong to the day, the visible things. So the division into light and dark can represent a division into good and bad and also a division into visible and invisible
    This is really incredibly significant, and it answers one of the questions that has always puzzled the reader, namely:
    "If Jehovah is all powerful and perfect and all knowing, then why did he have to create all of the lower animals before he could create man? Why did he not just go straight to man?"

    The answer to these is that Jehovah could well have done this without any difficulty, but he chose not to because he was not creating man as an end result of a lot of earlier prototypes, he was rather matching the progress of his earthly creation to the progress of the dare we say 'evolution' of the two opposing administrations in the heavens. It is obvious that he already knew how to create man even before he said "Let there be light", because man was made 'a little lower than angels' (Heb 2:7) and angels pre-existed this command. What this means is that all of the first five days of creation on this planet came about as a theatrical spectacle to the angels (1 Cor 4:9), for the purposes of instructing them. The true God was physicalising all of the works of the dark and the light administrations in order to demonstrate to all of creation what their fruits really were, he was exposing them, in an unmistakable way, via this planet.
    'And God went on to say: "Let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens to make a division between the day and the night; and they must serve as signs and for seasons and for days and years. And they must serve as luminaries in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth." And it came to be so. And God proceeded to make the two great luminaries, the greater luminary for dominating the day and the lesser luminary for dominating the night, and also the stars. Thus God put them in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth, and to dominate by day and by night and to make a division between light and darkness. Then God saw that it was good. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a fourth day' (Gen 1:14-19).

    In the physical creation, we know that the Sun and the Moon and the stars were already there, because the Sun is the physical source of light and so must have existed when the command 'Let there be light' was made. So physically what happened in the fourth day was that these heavenly objects became physically discernible, or visible from the earth. Now this situation exactly shadows the spiritual situation, because the Sun is Jesus Christ, the greater one dominating the day, and the Moon is Satan, the lesser one dominating the night. Both of these spirit creatures existed even in the first day of creation, as did the physical Sun and Moon. What happened in this fourth day is the Satan emerged as the head one of the sons of the darkness (Col 1:13), and Michael emerged as the head one of the sons of the light (John 3:19). These two are the two great spiritual luminaries, who are shining upon the earth. Now just as moonlight is merely a poor reflection of a minute fraction of sunlight, so Satan, who is a mimic god, is merely a poor reflection of a small fraction of the true light from Michael, who is the exact reflection of Jehovah. Satan has no light within himself (John 11:10), the Moon also has no light of its own, whereas the Sun has millions of mega-gigawatts of it (John 9:5)!

    What this means is that the whole solar system was created as a sign (Gen 1:14). The wording of the scripture is very interesting here, because it does not say that these luminaries are a sign for seasons and for days and years, it actually says:
    'They must serve as signs and for seasons and for days and years'.

    This means that these luminaries will serve not only as signs for the seasons and the days and the years, but also as signs for other things. Now every astronomer knows that the Sun is far brighter than the Moon, but, that on very rare occasions the moon actually succeeds in totally eclipsing the Sun. On these occasions the Moon actually completely blots out the Sun. One could even go so far as to say that the Moon temporarily kills the Sun. With our new found symbolism for these two heavenly bodies we can relate this eclipse to the impalement and death and resurrection of the Christ. In this regard the scripture reads:
    'From the sixth hour on a darkness fell over the land, until the ninth hour' (Mat 27:45).

    Jesus died at the ninth hour. This darkness was a total eclipse of the Sun (a partial one would not have caused darkness), this eclipse is the way that we deduce that Jesus died on Friday April 1st 33 CE (Insight 2 p268). What this means is that Jehovah was symbolising Genesis 3:15 by this and by all total eclipses, which means that Jehovah was already using the solar system to symbolise Gen 3:15 in the first creative day. It is therefore suggested that:
    What this means is that Jehovah knew everything, before he said: "Let there be light"!

    The moon pre-existed this command, because it is a part of the heavens, which were made 'In the beginning' (Gen 1:1). What this means is that Jehovah may have known from the moment that he created this planet that for example the true people of God would be called by his name in September 1931. In fact this may be the full meaning of the words of Isaiah at 46:8-11:
    "Remember this, that you people may muster up courage. Lay it to heart you transgressors. Remember the first things of a long time ago, that I am the divine one and there is no other God, nor anyone like me;
    the one telling from the beginning the finale
    and from long ago the things that have not been done; the one saying, 'My counsel will stand, and everything that is my delight I shall do'; the One calling from the sunrising a bird of prey, from a distant land the man to execute my counsel, I have spoken it; I shall also bring it in. I have formed it, I shall also do it."
    We will see further evidence of his complete pre-cognisance in the section on Genesis chapter two.

    The writer is not sure whether he can really come to terms with this at all
    The reason that the writer cannot come to terms with this is that total pre-cognisance is a belonging of God, not of man, because earthling man cannot direct even his own steps, but the one who knows all things, can (Jer 10:23, 1 John 3:20). We are not permitted to know our own personal fate, this would be very counter-productive indeed, but Jehovah does know it! This does not mean that it is predetermined by him, it is not. It is determined by us, but God knows how we will fare in our efforts to serve him. This means that when he gives us a warning, we should take it to heart and respond.

    The choice is ours, the knowledge of what we will choose is Jehovah's!
    Because John has said in 1 John 3:20:
    'God is greater than our hearts, and knows all things.'
    If he 'knows all things' then there is no 'thing' that he does not know. Furthermore, it is here suggested, that creation and Isaiah both are declaring to us: that there is no 'thing' that he did not know from the start.

    Another way in which the Sun and the Moon act as a sign is that the Sun is 400 times larger than the Moon in diameter, and it is also 400 times further away from the earth (in mean orbit) than the moon is (LS[56]). This is the greater division that is being referred to in verse 18: 'To make a division between the light and the darkness'. The result of this division is 400 times. These two heavenly witnesses to '400 times' tell us that Jesus will have 144,000 brothers, because:
    400 times (years)=400 x 360 days=144,000 days
    The scripture says that the two luminaries will serve as 'signs for... days and years' (Gen 1:14) and it says that the Sun is to 'dominate by day' (Gen 1:18). Well 'by day' the Sun is 'dominating' the Moon by 144,000 of them. Similarly, Jesus dominates over his kingdom, the 'Sabbath day' over which he is Lord, by 144,000 of his brothers.

    The import of this is that Jehovah knew, in the first creative day, that his Son would ransom 144,000 humans, that is why he made the Sun, the size that it is compared to the Moon, and that is why he placed the earth in the size of orbit that it has, compared with the orbit of the moon! We therefore have two physical witnesses (Deut 19:15, LS[2]). It is as David said:
    'His seed itself will prove to be even to time indefinite, and his throne as the Sun in front of me. As the moon it will be firmly established for time indefinite, And as a faithful witness in the skies' (Psalm 89:36,37).

    His seed are 144,000 in number, a number which results from a comparison of the Sun with the moon, whereas Psalm 89 compares his seed and his throne with both of these heavenly bodies which together are a 'faithful witness'. The writer himself is now praising and glorifying the God of the heavens and the earth because he has shown long-suffering and humility to a degree which is beyond comprehension! He has actually waited for thousands or maybe millions of years until now, to allow Satan to develop a system which he knew from the start was not only going to be a total failure but was also going to lead to the death of his son. Although in wisdom we can now say that the fruits of this exposure to the bad in weakness is the prize of a love for the good, which is God, and a resistance to the bad by means of the new personality and a triumph over sin through Jesus. The one who has given us an everlasting victory in strength born from the acceptance of a complete humiliation in weakness. This was the course of events for him, and this must also be the course of events for us.

    'And God went on to say: "Let the waters swarm forth a swarm of living souls and let the flying creatures fly over the earth upon the face of the expanse of the heavens." And God proceeded to create the great sea monsters and every living soul that moves about, which the waters swarmed forth according to their kinds, and every winged flying creature according to its kind. And God got to see that it was good' (Gen 1:20,21).

    In the decree, the swarming waters are the waters beneath, the ones which have been gathered together and called seas. The flying creatures are in the waters above or the loyal angels, they are said to fly 'over the earth' and 'upon the face of the expanse of the heavens'. These two locations are literally the same location, namely the air, but we have a repetition of location, so we have a greater location, which is in the proximity of the great face of the heavens whose name is Jehovah. Being near to the 'face of the heavens' means being in the administration of the light, this is the domain of the flying creatures. Now all the angels were already created before even the first day of Genesis 1, so no new spirit being are created here. Rather, the existing spirit beings are 'swarming forth according to their kinds' or developing their characters, following after the Sun or after the moon. This is why, with reference to the physical creation the scripture says: 'God proceeded to create... every living soul that moves about, which the waters swarmed forth according to their kinds'. Meaning that the swarming is the taking up roles and positions that occurs after the creation.

    Physically, however Jehovah creates the 'great sea monsters' (the dinosaurs) as a reflection of the sort of creatures that are emerging from waters beneath, the autonomous angels, and the 'winged flying creatures' as a reflection of the angels above. Just as the Sun and the Moon (Jesus and Satan, already were created by Jehovah before the first day of Genesis 1, and then in the fourth day, they took on their characters, so the waters already existed, but in the fifth day they 'swarmed forth' all exhibiting their characters. In the case of the demons it was the characters of Dinosaurs that they developed for themselves. Jehovah then blesses all of these beings with a blessing to become many, not a blessing to have authority (Gen 1:22). This blessing refers to both the physical and the spiritual. We then read the last words:
    'And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a fifth day' (Gen 1:23).

    'And God went on to say: "Let the earth put forth living souls according to their kinds, domestic animal and moving animal and wild beast of the earth according to its kind." And it came to be so. And God proceeded to make the wild beast of the earth according to its kind and every moving animal of the ground according to its kind. And God got to see that it was good.

    The decree, we know, refers to the further delineation and distinction of the administrations (earth's) of the light and of the darkness to produce those who exercise authority. We have already seen the two great luminaries appear in the fourth day, we are now seeing the co-luminaries of each system. The domestic animals are the Angel Gabriel and the other loyal angels who are given authority in heaven, the house of God. These are the cherubs and such-like (May the angel Gabriel and Jehovah himself please forgive the writer if this analogy wrong!). The wild animals are the demon prince of Persia (Dan 10:13) and the demons who are given authority by Satan. The moving animals are those is the darkness who decide that they want to be in the light, and those in the light who decide that they would prefer the darkness, the angelic floating-voters!

    This all mirrors the situation between humans and animals on the earth. Domestic animals are in subjection to humans and reside with them, whereas wild animals are a law unto themselves and reject man's authority and so do not reside with men but are fenced off because they are a danger. In the same way the loyal angels reside with Jehovah in heaven but the demons have rejected God's authority, and so they are fenced off for protection and they are separated by the heavenly expanse (Gen 1:6,7). This spiritual barrier is symbolised by the atmosphere of the earth, the earthly expanse, which is a barrier between the clouds (the waters above) and the seas (the waters below). And whereas the clouds are free to move about in three dimensions, the waters below are confined to move in one dimension, downwards, in the rivers or are going nowhere in the seas. So we have got this correct, because the physical is a mirror of the spiritual! Now we reach the most marvellous of scriptures:
    'And God went on to say: "Let us make man in our image, and according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth". And God proceeded to create man in his image, in God's image he created him; male and female he created them' (Gen 1:26,27).

    'Further, God blessed them and God said to them: "Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth' (Gen 1:28).
    In all of the first five days, we have seen that the physical creation mirrors the spiritual situation. We are now being told this for a fact by God, who says:
    'Let us make man in our image, and according to our likeness' (verse 26).
    We are told that man is a reflection of angels, he is a physicalisation of the spirit beings. He is a miracle! How can one physicalise the concept of love? How can a man or a woman's face, which is just skin and bone, capture this abstract emotion? Poets cannot find the words and yet God has expressed it in silence! Is this not the triumph of Jehovah? He has done the impossible. It is as the apostle Matthew said in Mat 19:26:
    'Looking at them in the face, Jesus said to them: "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible"'.
    Jehovah has made a creation that can demonstrate love and hate, joy and sadness, pain and anger, fear and surprise, nonchalance and interest, acceptance and rejection, all of this, merely by the moving of a few facial muscles (Eze 10:14).

    So, the first way in which we reflect spirit beings is that we are a physical version of them. But since this isomorphism is repeated, we know from Joseph and from Amos (Gen 41:25,32 Amos 3:3-7, LS[2]) that there is a greater way in which we mirror angels. This greater meaning is that the whole structure of human society is an image of the whole structure of the heavens which are divided into the waters above and the waters below. So much so that Jehovah actually reconciled all of creation, both heavenly and earthly to himself through the death of a man (Col 1:20,21). It also means that since the spirit world was divided before man was created, then the human world would also become divided, which is a further proof that Jehovah knew that Adam would sin.
    In fact just as in the first five days, the earth was created as a lesson to the angels, likewise in the sixth day man was also created for the benefit of the angels, in order to teach them. But there is something more than this that is being said here. And this is contained in the blessing which is given to man. Because, this blessing is not only one of becoming many, it is also one of having things in subjection. Now subjection was not a feature of the blessing made in the fifth creative day, which referred to the angels. No, it is a feature of the blessing made on man. In fact the blessing on man is a prophecy, a prophecy that we will have in subjection:
    'The fish of the sea, the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving about on the earth' (Gen 1:28).
    This is a fairly comprehensive subjection! It means that we will have in subjection all of God's creation, the physical and the spiritual. The spiritual fish of the sea are the demons of the waters below, the spiritual flying creatures of the heavens are the angels above, and the spiritual living creatures of the earth are the humans in the kingdom of God. This kingdom is when all of Jehovah's creation is subjected to Jesus (who was a man) and to his 144,000 ex-human brothers (Hebrews 2:6-9, 1 Cor 15:27,28, Psalm 8).

    '"What is man that you keep him in mind, or the son of man that you should take care of him? You made him for a little while lower than angels; with glory and honour you crowned him, and appointed him over the works of your hands. And all things you subjected under his feet." For in that he subjected all things to him, he left nothing that is not subject to him. Now though we do not yet see all things in subjection to him' (1 Cor 15:27,28).
    Truly it is being said to you that this is the purpose that Jehovah had in mind when he created man. He did not create man simply to 'fill the earth', this he could have done with polystyrene!

    Well we know, that Abraham's firstborn Ishmael lost his birthright to Isaac, that Isaac's firstborn Esau lost his birthright to Jacob, that Jacob's firstborn Reuben lost his birthrights to Judah Levi and Joseph, that Joseph's firstborn Manasseh lost his birthright to Ehpraim and that Judah's firstborn Er lost his birthright to Perez. These things categorically assure us that the nation of Israel, a firstborn son of Jehovah (Ex 4:22), will lose its birthright to a later born son. It is interesting that the bible does not appear to indicate definitely what happened in the case of the firstborn son of Levi.

    Now we have already determined that the physical not only precedes the spiritual for men (1 Cor 15:46), but also pictures the spiritual for angels. Therefore there is an angelic equivalent to the fate of the nation of Israel. This equivalent is the prophecy of Genesis 1:28, which will be fulfilled on Nisan 14, 2008 CE, on which day men will be given the birthright of the angels. Angels were Jehovah's firstborn, men are in fact his secondborn. However Jesus, the one for whom and through whom all things came into existence (John 1:3) transcends this loss of birthright, even as Levi's firstborn appears so to have done, because in this sense the angel Michael is a priest (or spiritual Levite) according to the manner of Melchizedek, it is as Paul says:
    'In being fatherless, motherless, without genealogy, having neither a beginning of days nor an end of life, but having been made like the son of God, he remains a priest perpetually' (Heb 7:3).

    Well, Levi got the firstborn priesthood rights, hence the bible does not appear to show his firstborn son as losing these, because Jesus did not lose his right as firstborn of all creation (Col 1:15). In harmony with the justice of Jehovah, it was his firstborn son's sacrifice as a man which gave him a name which is above every other name named, so that he will be king over all of creation for one thousand years.
    'And God went on to say: "Here I have given to you all vegetation bearing seed which is on the surface of the whole earth, and every tree on which there is fruit of a tree bearing seed. To you let it serve as food. And to every wild beast of the earth and to every flying creature of the heavens and to everything moving upon the earth in which there is life as a soul I have given all green vegetation for food." And it came to be so' (Gen 1:29,30).
    We already know that if we take each one of these creatures 'as a soul' in which there is spiritual life then we get the angels and the demons and the undecided ones (the moving animals). This food of the green vegetation is spiritual food. The greater meaning of these two verses is that all of the fruits of the battle of the two seeds (that of Satan and that of the woman - Gen 3:15) on the earth, are to serve as food for, i.e. as a lesson to, men and angels and demons. This is something that we had already understood from logic. Of course, those angels of the waters below are not all going to be consigned to Gehenna, because Jehovah would not embark on a massive teaching campaign in the knowledge that it would produce no fruit at all. This is why the 'moving animals' are appearing in this chapter of Genesis.

    One can think of one's knowledge that lying leads to injustice as say a rice field in one's physical garden. One's experience of putting one's brother before oneself would be perhaps an orange grove. Those who practice violence would perhaps have toadstools in their lawn. In other words the nine fruitages of the spirit (Gal 5:23,23) can be represented as nine nutritious types of green vegetation, whereas the 19 characteristics of men in the end (2 Tim 3:1-5), would be 19 poisonous plants.
    'After that God saw everything he had made and look! it was very good. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a sixth day' (Gen 1:31).
    [G.3] Genesis chapter 2:
    'Now there was a river issuing out of Eden to water the garden, and from there it began to be parted and it became, as it were, four heads. The first one's name is Pishon; it is the one encircling the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. And the gold of that land is good. There also are the bdellium gum and the onyx stone. And the name of the second river is Gihon; it is the one encircling the entire land of Cush. And the name of the third river is Hiddekel; it is the one going to the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates' (Gen 2:10-14).

    So this garden, planted by Jehovah had one river which started in Eden and flowed into it. Eden means pleasure or delight, and so this river is from Jehovah, the happy God (1 Tim 1:11). Also Jehovah planted the garden (Gen 2:8), so he would be the one watering it. This river is divided a first and second and third and fourth time. Well, if we divide one time in half, four times, then we get one sixteenth of a time or 22.5 days. If we now take a day for a year then we get 22.5 years. This is the same calculation as Joshua 7 (LS[70]) and Luke 12 (LS[90]). Now the symbolism used by Jesus in Matthew 12:25,26, is that the fall of Satan's system is a division in two, and the destruction of it is a division by four. Similar symbolism is being used here, because the rivers in the garden were prophesying the destruction of Jehovah's kingdom over the earth, which is represented by the river which issued out of Eden being divided into four rivers, representing an earthwide destruction.

    Any division of Jehovah's river is a loss of his kingship because there is no disunity in his camp. The four rivers became 'as it were' four heads. This means that we should view the four rivers as becoming something with four heads. Well the only candidate for this in the bible is found in Daniel chapter 7 verse 6, and is the four headed leopard, which is the last of the rulers of the UN before Armageddon (in the greater meaning of this chapter of Daniel), which is the end of Satan's rulership over man. It is a part of the fourth beast of Daniel 7 which encompasses all of the three preceding ones (LS[64.2]). So Satan's system, which started in Eden, ends its life as a four headed Leopard. Now the fourth beast as we have said encompassed the other three, and similarly the river Gihon, which encircled 'the entire land of Cush', represents Satan (Cush was the physical father of Nimrod, Satan was his spiritual father), and Satan's system encompasses three parts, namely:

    False religious: The Euphrates, which watered Babylon
    Military: The Hiddekel, which went East of Assyria
    Commercial: The Pishon, which encircled Havilah a land of good gold
    Assyria we know was Israel's traditional military enemy, and Havilah is spoken of as having gold and commodities, which symbolise commerce. Now we can perform the sealed up cryptic calculation in these verses:
    Rivers flowing out of Eden:
    Pishon 1 time
    Encircles 1 time
    Havilah 1 time
    gold, bdellium, onyx 3 time
    ______
    6 times
    first river: i.e. x1 6 times
    Gihon 1 time
    encircles 1 time
    Land of Cush 1 time
    ______
    3 times
    second river: i.e. x2 6 times
    Hiddekel 1 time
    East of: i.e. half encircle .5 times
    Assyria 1 time
    _______
    2.5 times
    third river: i.e. x3 7.5 times
    Euphrates 1 time
    fourth river: i.e. x4 4 times
    Total flowing out of Eden = 6+6+7.5+4 = 23.5 times
    Less one river flowing in = 22.5 times
    This is our second witness to the figure of 22.5 times. This has the meaning that when Jehovah planted the garden of Eden and put Adam in it, he knew that Adam would sin 22.5 years later (Gen 2:15). This means that Adam entered into Jehovah's garden when he was 11 years old exactly. Just as Jesus was commissioned to build the temple when he was exactly 11 years old (LS[50]), although he did not get to the temple until he was 11.5 years old in Nisan (Luke 2:41,42). In fact now we know why the time from the commissioning to the inauguration of all of the last five temples was 22.5 years! (LS[94]).

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    The man was either familiar with Russell's writings or a student of them
    Russell not only believed in the the redemption of both angels and humanity
    (which by nature appeals to me) but there are scriptures that lead one
    in the opposite direction . Now Russell was blatantly brilliant , I have read
    few in the eschatological treatises that compete with his writings , sans
    his insertions of egyptology and other things he had not yet cleaned
    out of our ideological origins and beliefs from various nations . The use of
    mathematics in time is a given , how much we have of any insight into such
    is still speculation in my viewpoint , even tho myself have been moved
    to a write piece called "the architect of time" ....tho I agree that corporeal
    creation reflects the heavenly , even then there are some anomalies with
    this perspective regarding mans creation and "subsequent" fall ...ok this is
    just an opinion but since nearly everything corporeal reflects the spiritual
    as well as we can determine . Exodus 25:40
    See that you make them according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.
    that we can understand these things because the patterns are there ..anyhow
    its late , and I'm not here to confirm or deny this letter , just a statement as
    to sources and recognition of the implications of the mans research and where
    he could have found origination for them ...at least with those associated with
    witnesses and some of the origins of "our founders" thinking and it morphing
    with the various influence of "its leaders" ...
     
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    hi wallflower, I believe that the seven day Adventists also believe in this still, you will find that CTR did get a lot of his beliefs from the movement back then that eventually became the seventh day advents.
     
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    this is a two fold qustion,the begining of what? and heavens and earth on what leval? Im inclined to beleive that jehovah.speaks about earth and his heavens over it,,simply because samples from earth,moon, mars, venus, and meterites show a vast age differance and if jehovah made everything at once the ages of the heavenly bodies would all share a comon mineral thats the same age! now here again we get back to this common rock we call granite,moon dust has none,mars dust has none,venus dust has none,and neither does the meteroites found! scientists are haveing a field day trying to come up with an explaination of why and also if earth was a molton ball once how did granite form? you simply can not melt granite and and have it recrystalize as granite.neither can they explain why this silicon crystal has atomic particles that show that it was formed from the center out! or how its onley 15 thousand years old? what happened on this planet that idiotic evolutionists say is millions of years old? did jehovah take a ball of million year old clay out of his tool chest 15 thousand years ago and form an ecosystem in 7 days? the bible says yes.
     
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    Wither the information is accurate or not, I have never read anything so fascinating in all my life and Im 36 years old. I don't usually read long threads, Its just not my thing. I actually scrolled by this one several times before I decided to give it a go and I gotta say that I was NOT disappointed. What an awesome jaw dropping read!
     
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