"Know Your Enemy" - Video series

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    Here is the thing Ann - the 'protestant' reformation was nothing more than rejection of the papacy, almost no doctrine was reformed.

    They ARE Mithras worshipers. They just don't know it, because the truth has been disguised behind "killer verses" that 'prove' the doctrines.

    Catholicism and Protestantism are the exact same thing, except Catholics believe the Pope is their 'line' to the heavens, while the Protestants go through triune-Jesus. (in other words, they bypass Jesus, to get to God, who is Jesus)

    Looking at your example, you cite the 'immortal soul' and JWs having a similar conception: NOT true!

    Catholicprotestantism = ALL people go to heaven or hell (E.G. Babylonian->Greco-Roman paganism)

    JWs = Only the 144k receive an immortal soul, ALL other people have a chance at eternal life, but MANY will be permanently destroyed.

    One is from the Bible, one is from Babylon. Right? Your arguments are false equivocation predicated on the mistake of not delineating the scriptures from 'conceptual' similarities.


    Regarding the Pope: he was considered a God on earth - this is why he was 'infallible', he was a representative of Christ en totality, on earth.

    They must go through HIM to Christ for salvation, this is why Catholics refer to the 'church' as the institution of salvation rather than the conceptual 'church' that binds believers in the body of Christ.

    Vicarius Filei Dei is incribed on the Papal crown!

    What are the letters on the Pope’s crown and what do they signify if anything?
    The letters on the Pope's crown are these: Vicarius Filii Dei, which is a Latin for Vicar of the Son of God.

    Our Sunday Visitor, April 18, 1915, p.3





    The reason they pray for Mary to intercede on their behalf is because Christ's sacrifice was not enough!

    Now, certainly Mary IS DEAD, and not in heaven as they claim - so regardless of what they 'believe' is true, they are in fact praying to the dead. They worship a golden calf and call it Jehovah.

    (I do consider most Catholics to be Christians however, they are simply in the Babylonian system, and many haven't been called out yet - and no, I don't mean to become JWs)

    At some point "Moses" will say "who is with us" and who is with the Golden Calf that represents Jehovah!
     
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    Ann, I researched this statement, and I was wrong.

    They aren't praying to the dead, I see where they are coming from. Thanks for posting.

    "But according to Catholics, they are not dead. The 'saints' are alive in heaven, remember? It's the communion of saints - church triumphant (alive in heaven) with the church militant (those still alive on earth): Heb. 12:22, 23; Rev. 5:8; 8:3, 4. Although praying to the resurrected anointed would be considered wrong in the Org's eyes, the belief is that these heavenly anointed may be communicating with the anointed still on earth. See w07, 1/1, p. 28."
     
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    Hislop was a Protestant - a Presbyterian - believing in the immortal soul and Trinity like the RCC. His convoluted story about RCC doctrine and practice being directly traced back to 'Babylonish' religion is bogus.

    Baloney.

    That statement makes no sense.

    The Trinity doctrine doesn't teach Jesus is triune. It teaches that Jesus is one of the Persons of the Godhead. The Godhead is triune.

    True. I had said: "JWs believe in a version of the immortal soul in the case of the 'anointed' who die after 1918." I think you have contradicted yourself and confirmed my statement.

    The JW view(s) of the soul is an interesting hodgepodge but probably best left to another discussion.

    False. If you're convinced that RCC doctrine and practice can be directly traced back to Babylon, I'd be interested in seeing verifiable evidence independent of Hislop's 'findings,' i.e. sources not originating from or relying on his work.

    Both mainstream Christians and JWs say they base their beliefs on the Bible. Differences arise due to interpretations of the Scriptures and which ones link with which to form a doctrinal framework.

    The link you provided says the opposite:

    "Contrary to some claims, no tiara has ever been inscribed with the phrase Vicarius Filii Dei."​

    The Wikipedia article your quote came from continues:
    "This has been used by some groups as evidence for the claim that the phrase appears on the papal tiara (see below). However, the writer of the article later withdrew his statements. A rebuttal was mentioned in a 1922 edition of the journal:

    "'The Pope claims to be the vicar of the Son of God, while the Latin words for this designation are not inscribed, as anti-Catholics maintain, on the Pope's tiara.'"​

    Come on, SingleCell. Read more carefully before grabbing the first thing you see to support your argument, hey? ;)

    :)
     
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    Completely agree with your counter-argument Ann :)

    I renounce myself from that day, I was debating with Catholics recently - it pushed me over the edge!

    Me, tongue, dumb.

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