Millerite Chronology

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    I find it interesting the Millerite movement had an understanding of how the chronology of Daniel was laid out however, it also highlights how one single mistake completely invalidates all the work you put in. While they have the lay out correct, once they applied a day for a year, the information became irrelevant.

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    The "Great Disappointment" as it was to forever be known, is an example of cognitive dissonance, a theory in the attempt to explain psychological consequences of disconfirmed expectations.

    I find it interesting to study past failed prophecy, and group ideologies. Not just moments such as the Great Disappointment, but also one can learn a great deal from social experiments when these ones are originally brought together. Such as the SS in Germany, before the 2nd world war. Hitler used psychology in order to reach his listeners, and was even known to study the physical movements of opera singers in order to captivate his audience.

    Some might find it strange that someone like myself who's work is the time of the end, would be so interested in failed prophecies of the past, but it is in these events we have a rare opportunity to study faith.

    Let's take for example the two witnesses in the time of the end, these will be confronted by naysayers.

    2Pet 3:3,4 "First of all know this, that in the last days ridiculers will come with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires and saying: “Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep in death, all things are continuing exactly as they were from creation’s beginning.”

    This moment in history will be unlike any other in the last 2000 years, for these two witnesses will in fact understand that the time of the end had began, while these ridiculers with their worldly educations will no doubt point out all past attempts at end times predictions, and these two will be mocked.

    One thing I appreciate through my work in prophecy is the fact that through the holidays yet to be fulfilled, we see the time table of Daniel could have fulfillment at many different times into the future. We honestly don't know the day or hour of the fulfillment of the new moon, that faithful Rosh Hashanah but, we do know there will be a time when some will know the end had begun.

    We can learn from others mistakes in the past, as well as their achievements. At some point I believe Dan 9 will be fulfilled in a literal since in the end, and Gods people will be gathered back to him. Psychology is what it is, and no doubt will play a role in that time as well, but this time to the benefit of others. If you notice someone in danger, you warn them, and in such a situation, you save lives...

    It's quiet on here this last week, and I wanted to just discuss scripture. So if anyone would like to add to this subject, please feel free... :)
     
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    Yes, Joshuastone, the first thing to catch my eye was “B.C. cir. 446”. This is the abbreviation from Latin circum = circle or around, about. Meaning = a guess, because it cannot be verified. So, place any number there, whichever fits what you* want, to make your* numbers come out right.
    *not you personally.

    I also have a problem with those identifying Rome as “the antichrist”. And, anyone who adds “the” with antichrist, wishing to show one specific entity fulfilling the role. (Use of “the” is a definite article used before a noun.) They also go as far as associating antichrist with the false prophet in Revelation. The Greek word “antichristos” is only used 4 times by the apostle John. It appears 3 times in his first letter (1 John) and once in his second letter (2 John). It never appears in Revelation or anywhere else, and is not associated with a “false prophet”. John specifically said there are “many” antichrists.
    (1 Jo 2:18)

    But, that’s another subject. By studying failed prophecies, we also learn the failed thinking/psychology of a false prophet. They speak from their own reasoning, unlike Jehovah. “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways, says Jehovah. For as the heavens are high from the earth, so My ways are high from your ways, and My thoughts from your thoughts. For as the rain and the snow comes down from the heavens and do not return there, except it waters the earth and make it bring forth and bud, and give seed to the sower and bread to the eater, so shall My word be, which goes out of My mouth; it shall not return to Me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in what I sent it to do!” (Isa 55:8-11 LITV)

     
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    Completely agreed...

    Agreed...

    There was a psychology study in the 70's called the "bystander effect", and I have never forgotten it. I have allowed this study to come up into mind in every aspect of life, including my studies in our Lords word, for it is extremely poignant for our day. The premise of the research was to study crowd mentality, and what they found was individuals reacted differently in a group setting, then they would singular, even in situations of physical danger.

    Today, we can be influenced by modern impressions of what scriptures are telling us, or conversely we can recognize those moments we are applying personal interpretation and dig deeper in order to allow the text to explain itself, understanding that our inclinations as humans is to go with the crowd, allowing us to circumvent this instinct in order to be objective, allowing the text to speak for itself.

    I tend to describe the journey of scripture as climbing a mountain. While climbers may set off as groups or individuals, the goal is the same, to reach the top, however the journey is fraught with dangers along the way. Paths that lead to nowhere, and obstacles that lead to varying degrees of accomplishments. You can even have two climbers signaling one another that they each have reached the summit, even though it is only their perspective that gives them that impression, and not the actual topography of the landscape itself. Our minds can trick us...

    Many of our brothers set up base camps along the way, for differing reasons. One may not have the desire to further the journey any higher, and some may even believe erroneously they have already reached the summit.

    Yet to me, I've always wanted to continue the climb. I don't believe I will ever reach the summit in the flesh, but that I want to continue on. I wish to allow the topography to lead my way, ever allowing the mountain to direct my steps, with a continual incline of progression, and with that said, that ability to admit when ones wrong has probably been the most useful tool to me, and some of the greatest gifts from Jehovah in this journey that I wish many of our associates shared. I had learned some years ago to appreciate those times when I discovered I was wrong, for Jehovah allowed me to correct my path back on track up this mountain of knowledge. I haven't always been so willing, and a climb up any mountain takes great endurance and perseverance however, it is that struggle that reminds me I am still on the right path. (Jehovah willing)

    Anyway, I don't want to be right, and I spend much time in discussion with Jehovah on that matter. I want the truth of what's there, I want to know the mind of God (as you so eloquently pointed out). That's what drives me, and fills my heart with the love I have for his Word...

    Thanks for your association Tsaphah...

     
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    Well, I finally read your comments. I’m at that same place as you are now. I remember the studies about crowd influence. They did another one recently where people were asked an opinion. Then a group of people were introduced. When the crowd gave a different answer that was exactly opposite, the person changed their answer to that of the crowd. There is that pressure of not wanting to be different. The need to be accepted is pretty strong for the majority. This is especially true when confronted with: “Oh! Everybody is wrong but you! You think you are smarter than everyone else!”

    My answer is: “As a matter of fact, and not fiction, I give a resounding YES! I, unlike the crowd, take the time to check for all the facts.” Then, I say, “I was wrong once. I thought I was wrong, but I was right!” That usually sets them off on a tirade. I just smile. Most people are lazy. They are easily satisfied with simple things that don’t take effort.

    I made a statement to a large news organization way back in 1970. I was up for a media scholarship from them. I spoke my mind, and they didn’t like my answer. I told them that some time in the future, people would look for the easiest way to get their information, if they cared enough, and it would not be newspapers. I suggested that it would include video, and some one reading the information to them. That way, they don’t have to read. They just watch and listen. They want to be entertained, not educated. I didn’t get the scholarship. I also gave up my plan to be involved with the media, and went back into civil engineering.

    Then, a pioneer sister knocked on my door. What a change in my life! Never been the same since. :)
     
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