What does it matter who someone is as long as they are sincere at heart & seeking the one true God & His Son Jesus Christ!
Jesus wasn't bothered whether some gave Him their name, neither was intent on asking or knowing it. He wasn't worried who they were, if they were seeking the truth & earnestly seeking God He would help them with pleasure & out of pure love. He accepted them whoever they were even though these ones were strangers, it made no difference, he still welcomed them with open arms.
So shouldn't this be the example that we should set?
Luke 9:50 says, "Do not stop him," Jesus said, "for whoever is not against you is for you".
Let us take heed of 1John 4:20, "If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen", also 1John 4:21 "And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister" & 1John 3:16-24, "By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers. But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him? Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth. By this we shall know that we are of the truth and reassure our heart before him; for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything".
Lets us recognize the Fruits of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control - Galatians 5:22-23) these are what we must try to show & express to one another.

I do not pretend to have all the answers because I don't, but when I do post it is truth not lies. My posts are based on scriptural references & facts.
We should do our utmost to be friendly, helpful & try to show love to all where possible & if we disagree with something someone says or presents to us we should not condemn them or become pompous, being this way does not reflect Christ's qualities.
Let us try to be humble yet remain true to oneself & beliefs.

Do not look upon others as competition, or look upon them as being lower than us, we must not not think of ourselves as being better than others for we are all sinners.
My desire is to help anyone I can with God's help, so of course I do not wish to produce bad fruit, take note of these scriptures: Matthew 7:16 "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?"
Matthew 12:33 "Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit."

Do not get dragged into conflicts with others that struggle to believe or understand the same as you do. Of course we all desire for others to whom we preach to see reason & understand the truth but sometimes you have to realize that some just do not want to reason on things or even try to understand, so rather than carry it on, cut it short & leave them with the opportunity to come back to you at a later date. 2 Timothy 2:23 tells us "Do not have anything to do with foolish and stupid discussions, because you know they breed arguments." 2 Timothy 2:24 follows on "A servant of the Lord must not quarrel but must be kind to everyone, be able to teach, and be patient with difficult people." Proverbs 15:18 "A hot-tempered man stirs up strife, But the slow to anger calms a dispute."

We must remember this, that our Father in heaven draws individuals, so it may be the case that by allowing them go away with what you have already managed to share with them may just be enough to get them thinking, even though it may not be until weeks or months after, if God sees good in them he will draw them to reasoning & grant them understanding.
My interests are only to try & convey what I have learned by the loving kindness of my Father in Heaven & His son.

God Bless!

 

Just got a few minutes to write.

When the forum was on Robert King's website, it was made up of members from different backgrounds. Some were disfellowshipped, some were disassociated and some were still attending at the Hall. The situation is the same on the forum here.

I see the forum as being a place where brothers and sisters can come together to talk about Jehovah, Jesus, Scriptural points from the Bible, etc. Proverbs 17:17 comes to mind: "Iron sharpens iron."

It is also a place of encouragement. In the future, other brothers and sisters may look here for answers and encouragement when the Watchtower Society collapses

It has been mentioned on the forum before but I will post again. It is the personal responsibility of each member to decide if they will stay or leave the organisation. People should not be criticised if they stay. People should not be criticised if they leave. It is a personal matter.

 

Hi wallflower, not sure if your post was directed at me? Apologies if you thought I was criticising but that certainly wasn't my intention nor was I aware I was doing so, my post is about not judging one another but offering support & encouragement, hence the title name.

 

Hi Daz

No, it's my fault for posting in a hurry and not being clear enough with my words.

I know that you are not being judgemental and I agree with your post about helping others and encouraging them, etc. That is the sort of atmosphere that I hope the forum is able to promote.

I also agree with your point on not being drawn into conflict. That's why I mentioned the point on being judgemental. The last sentence of my previous post is a general comment to all.

Sorry I wasn't more specific. Hope I'm making more sense in this post. Gotta go - I have to be somewhere.

 

No problem wallflower, I am glad you liked & agreed with what I posted, I certainly agree with what you are saying.

 

That's right! If people aren't against you and making an effort to help they are on the same side and we as Christians should not look down and say your not a jw so everything you say and do is a false religion and Jehovah dosent accept it.

You will notice that jw org has changed its tune now they at least admit that there could be other Christians and they should not be judgmental

 

Hi Daz,

I liked your post and agree with your conclusions that love and getting along is a vital part of our worship.

The thing I enjoy about this forum is that you can read a comment and then take some time to think about what is being said and then reply in a calm and loving way.

Have a blessed day.

Joe

 

Yes, these are good thoughts all. And this is true, what Wallflower said:



"I know that you are not being judgemental and I agree with your post about helping others and encouraging them, etc. That is the sort of atmosphere that I hope the forum is able to promote."

Now what I have been saying about the need to wake up to the sword that is being sharpened by WT for many here who are JW's in hiding.....

This is true, too. I do not wish to judge you as a person, no. What I am trying to show you is that WT is gunning for you, but you are thinking you can dodge their bullets when they start to fly. Good luck with that. Many have tried, but in the end, they fail, and are DF'ed.

Are you ready for that?

Should I soft-peddle what WT is really like? I am not the one dropping the hammer here. WT is, they are the ones ruining the Christians who are endeavoring to worship with spirit and truth. I am an anointed brother of Christ trying to teach the corrected misunderstandings WT has put in place for over 100 years, and continues to do. And all here are in a much better position to check out what these arguments are, because you ARE here...in a spiritual refuge...able to freely analyze, and discuss with others these important truths free from the heat of the big dogs out there who are searching the flock for 'troublemakers'.

 

Thankyou for your comments, much appreciated

 

I am here , along with others here too, right now...to show you that being a worshiper of Jehovah and his son is possible...without being a member of JW's and sharing in the sins the GB has been committing for decades.

You can lead a wonderful life as a Christian with joy and feelings of worth and purpose if and when you do decide to make an exit. You will not be alone if you chose to do so.

And you have nothing to fear from them if you do. They will have to answer for their un-Christian actions....and teachings.(Gal.1:8,9)

 

Thankyou kindly Joe, I am glad you liked the post, I agree with your sentiments

 

Thankyou John for your comments. Yes we must expose that which is not truth, this is our duty, our mission & is also a privilege to do so even if it brings us persecution in what ever form it comes, we must endure it, for our master Jesus Christ suffered much worse but it was all to glorify His Father in heaven & for our salvation. I am not here to attack but to share truth to those who want to listen & hear.
I like everyone here am a sinner, none of us have the right to lord it over another brother or sister. I will only expose that which is wrong & not in line with God & His Son. I at one time suppported alot of the Watchtower taught & in the process made some good JW friends (at least I thought I had) but once I realized that my treatment by certain elders was not in line with Christ's examples I began to dig deeper, listen deeper, study deeper, this is when I started to see the cracks within the organization, my friendships started to dwindle, judgement upon me were being made.
During this time things started to become plain to me, there were occasions when I would be brought to my knees in tears because truths were revealed to me as clear as day & there was no disputing them, it was & still is a very emotional experience.
My wish is only to help others just as I have been helped to glorify our heavenly Father & His Son. It deeply saddens me knowing that there are those still in darkness, some of which were my friends, they still have the veil covering them, they are oblivious to the lies they are fed & are expected to digest. The only mediator beteen us & God Almighty is Christ Jesus, fact! (1 Timothy 2:5)
We need to rebuild our relationship with God, gain our confidence again & go to Him personally in prayer, one to one, Christ told us to ask in His name & it will be given, is that not a personal invitation? (John 14:13-14, Luke 11:9)
If the Watchtower's organization's governing body are indeed directed by God then how come they have made so many mistakes? Also what about when they have claimed to have new light on an understanding just to revert back to a previous understanding of which they said was once wrong! It says in the scriptures that we should always independently test all inspired utterances / teaching with scripture (1 Thessalonians 5:21).
I think at times we can underestimate Satan, remember he can masquerade as an angel of light, he is the father of the lie (2 Corinthians 11:14). He will make something look wholesome & good as if from God but in the midsts of it, it will be bad right through to the core but he will disguise it & you will need to dig deeper & sincerely search with all your heart so as to expose it for yourself. The Watchtower promotes that it's members must never question it's/their direction even if it may deviate scriptually?! This just doesn’t sit right with me at all, also what about when it was announced that the governing body were now the faithful & discreet slave class, we all for years we led to believe the FDS were are separate entity to the GB, this was another thing I brought into question but was told to accept it without question! Is that what Christ advises us to do??
As I said, I am not on here to make judgements or bring people down but only to help others & bring to light the truths I have learned & expose the lies.

 

Hi there SingleCell, thankyou for your reply, I am not at all referring to my earlier days as with JW's as I made it clear in my introduction post regarding my story & journey that I was thankful & appreciative to them for their help in teaching me the Bible basics & that is something I stick by. Is is more so the last few years to present that fir me have been the defining point, the constant changing of understanding, the baptismal vows, the child abuse, these are but just a few reasons. I feel that Christ is not honoured in the way He should be & certain men within rank positions are clouding His glory, trying to take away what belongs to Him.
It is I believe, why I am where I am now because of this manifestation of events.
I was led on a journey that ultimately presented me with two choices, do I stick with the Watchtower & follow men & what they percieve as truth or do I stick with the scriptures & much supplication of prayer & stick with God & Christ, I chose the latter & they didnt fail me. I knew I would probably lose my friends & association & that my wife & children would also feel the repercussions of my decision of which they certainly did but I am happy to say we got through it although it was a very difficult trying time for us. I would think twice about making that same decision again because it was the right thing fof me to do & I believe I was directed to take the route I took.
No I do not belong to any church or religious organization.
I hope that answers your questions adequately, thanks again for your questions.

 

Hi Joshuastone, my intention is certainly not to stumble anyone but only to show them that there is indeed another way to the Father & His Son.
Believe me, I was deeply hurt & frightened when I found these things out for myself but I went to God directly & prayed for his help, I poured out all my anxieties upon Him, yes it was a test of my faith but from time to time we all need to test ourselves or we run the risk of becoming lazy, falling asleep spiritually. Our Father in Heaven & His Son are there for us, we need no human mediator to reach them, they want us to reach out to them by our own accord, to rely upon them.
Do you not feel that the Watchtower is the one that has set itself up to stumble those poor souls who have placed so much of their faith in it , it is due to it's falsities & cover ups that those ones may stumble because many already have, it is not I that is telling the lie.

 

I am certainly with you there friend, I long for that day!