You don't come of jerky at all my brother..I'm with you...shoulder to shoulder we serve Singlecell....these Ex JWs who have come on this site are achieving their goal...they have infiltrated a great forum . They have shown total and utter disrespect in my opinion for our faith. We don't go on their forums or blogs and hammer their choices or paths they have chosen...yet they come here and insult and make snide remarks and one liners to undermine our strengths..they use this forum as a speaking platform for their misled faith. That's how Satan works...hes sly and comes in sheeps clothing ....it's time they headed back to their own forums..and if they haven't got one they can start one up..... Hang in there Singlecell...you can do it!!!! Your sis....thinking
Hello Thinking, I am certainly not here to attack anyone's faith neither am I here to disrespect or quash anyone's choices, I have said it before & I will say it again, I am nobody's judge. All I desire to do is share truth & glorify the Father & the Son & the Holy Spirit, I am also here to offer my support & offer my help if anyone should need it. So I am hoping that you have not included me in the catagory you have mentioned? with loving kindness, Daz
Jesus helped directly only those who showed a sincere faith in him and in his message and complained at least once against scroungers (John 6:26). Everything that Jesus did was very meaningful because his deeds would serve as portents for his anointed brothers during the time of the end and faith is the sine qua non condition in both cases (past and future). Yet, his commandments say otherwise (=> Good Samaritan)... for a reason...
Dear Daz, I like in the main what you said but you also said particularly: Aren't 99,99999% of the JWs sincere ? Therefore, what does it matter who they are as long as... [please, fill in the blanks] ?
Yes, absolutely ! Yet, if love and getting along is a vital part of our worship, why sacrifice it on the altar of a knowledge and spiritual understanding which are both more than lacking to everyone, even to those who think that they know better than the WT ? Maybe that the latter ones should only love in word and deed those who think like them, which would rule out de facto the R&F JWs from any cong around them ? They think that they're not worth the R&F JWs' love and as a result, the latter ones aren't worth theirs either... What is the golden rule ? You must love whoever loves you first ? No ! it says : You must love everyone first, like your Father loved you first. Is there no love at all in your congregation ? Maybe that there's no love in your congregation because first and foremost yours is lacking first....? Jesus never said that we had to love our brothers in return of their love for us. Jesus said that we had to love them no matter what... love never fails... Did Jesus said : "Ok, at some point, they're gonna be harsh, rude and treating you like crap and then, at a pinch, just give up on them because they're not worth your love anymore". Just like in a married couple, instead of demanding to our mate to be the one we expect them to be, shouldn't we trying to endeavor instead to be the mate they expect ? Are Jehovah's sheep in your cong mere spiritual cannon fodder just because they don't understand things as sharply and in ways so "out-of-the-box" as you ? If love and getting along are vital, aren't there ways to have them both living up to their status among brothers without manifestly lacking spiritual knowledge and understanding interfering all along ? Dear Joe, whenever I say "you", I'm not necessarily talking about you and I phrase my answer with all the respect and love I have for you, you also knowing me and knowing how and why I usually think and "react" regarding such issues...
Hi Utuna, I am not sure what you are getting at & your tone with me comes across a little hostile of which I struggling to see what have done to warrant it? Maybe I am reading you the wrong way hopefully. Jesus helped many people, an example was the blind begger, another one was crippled, these are just two accounts. Some gained their faith in Him after witnessing or experiencing His wonderful miracles tgat He performed. I am well aware of the portents of His works & I am also well aware of His anointed ones & the part they play during the end times.
Dear brother Utuna, It is interesting to me that there is so much empahsis on the men of the governing body of Jehovah's witnesses and not on the actual teachings of Jesus and Jehovah themselves. Does Jehovah and Jesus trust these men as they claim? The scripture is clear that we should not put our trust in no man no matter what his claim is. The true anointed do not claim any worth to themselves - but rather they show that it is to Jehovah and Jesus and their living words of truth that we should trust. The very claim by these men that Jehovah and Jesus trust them shows up their agenda. If one puts trust in Jehovah and Jesus then you will not put your trust in any other man or group of men. Am I wrong? This is not a hard and deep spiritual subject. It is simple and straightforward. Do You trust and worship Jehovah and Jesus or Do you worship some men who claim to represent them. To sister thinking - what spirit causes you to support men who will disfellowship you in a heartbeat for disaggreeing over very minor details and yet totlally destroy your relationship with family and friends in the name of worshiping Jehovah. There is a veil of deception here that runs deep and needs to be addressed. I am not your enemy and do not wish to be contentious with you as that is a work of the flesh. The anointing spirit is clear that we are to show love and consideration to those who are our enemies in a spiritual sense. If I am wrong then Jehovah will discipline and reveal to me my sin. If I am not wrong then there needs to be some adjusting in tne thinking of those on this forum. Just some thoughts of one who has been accused of being disloyal to Jehovah and Jesus and their living words of truth. Have a blessed day. Joe
Hi Utuna, So what is greater than love? Love conquers all does it not? We were created out of love, God gave us His only begotten Son as a sacrifice out of love, Christ gave his life for us out of love, Need I go on? My love for the brothers & sisters in my congregation was unconditional, I loved them with know strings attached, I forgave when I was wronged by individuals in my congregation, I defended them out of love. The love I received from them was conditional. I was loved as long as I submitted to everything being taught, I was loved as long as I conformed to what the watchtower deemed to be correct at that time, I was loved as long as Imy family & I only associated within the organization. You do not know me yet it feels like you are passing judgement upon with your suggestive wording. I am not here to pass any judgements on anyone & I would hope that I would receive the same treatment in return. I am not your enemy I am a brother in Christ. If I am reading you wrong then again I offer you my apologies.
Brother Daz, I must say that you are a kindred spirit and I mean that in the sense of the Holy spirit. All of us really need the anointing spirit to teach us' I try real hard to not be radical in what I say because Jehovah and Jesus want us to show love. I don't read you wrong in anyway. Put your trust in Jehovah and Jesus and in no man and you will be blessed - it is a promise in scripture. Joe
Hi there Joe, thankyou so much for your warm kind words, they are very much appreciated my friend & brother.
Joe I don't support them in those actions...never have and never will...nor do I believe any here on this board do. I detest those actions and hate them..and one day it may be me that stands where you are. i hope if it is .....I will not allow my bitterness and anger turn me away from what Jehovah is allowing to take place? Joe...I found my son hanging dead in his shed...and my elders had a hand in that.....I would not allow him to be buried by them or at the KH because of their hypocrisy and cruelness. You and others are not the only ones who have been hurt by the organization and how they conduct themselves...and the INDIVIDUALS with in.. I have had my eyeball and my heart pierced by my own spiritual brothers in the worst way possible. They betrayed me and both my sons....I could go down in my bitterness and righteous anger..and speak against the org/society/GB....as you do...but I refuse to do that. (I also know..it was but a few who betrayed us...) Why...because all this was foretold .......it is no big mystery if you humble yourself ..above your own pain....I know it's hard Joe..it's agonising....and even that day in the shed with my son ... He would be the one to ease my bitterness and anger...and say...shhhh mum...mum...you know this isn't Jehovah mum.. Joe if I can see the big picture ...and survive it....you can to... That veil of deception will be revealed and brought down by Jehovah....this is not your fight ....it is Jehovahs....you are acting and talking presumptuously...... Whilst you run down and speak badly of the org( which I too did at one time)... You are slapping the ones who are trying to survive and remain loyal to Jehovahs phrophetc plans...we are doing our best to endure under bad times..trying to build ourselves up and be there for our brothers and sisters when his house Is disciplined very harshly....It is an act of love on our part for our brothers..... Why are you coming here and hurting us for doing that....you are beating us up with your self righteousness ....we are already bleeding..where is your love for me??? If I could help you Joe I would...but you are determined in your belief system.....and whilst remaining like that..you will never understand ones on this forum and why this forum exists. If I have a spirit causing me to do this..it is knowing the pain that so many others feel in the org....and just saying..I'm here for you I think it's called brotherly love... Joe if you want to PM me feel free Sis thinking
Father, bless this site with the spirit of love, patience, faith, and compassion. Heal this sister's heart with hope. Forgive what some believe is an intrusion, but is really a warning of how destructive to families this religion, though seemingly set up to heal, affects us all in not-always-good ways. Help myself and others have fellow feeling for this group of sheep who still believe you will come back and restore the WT to a place we imagined it was, a spiritual paradise. This is their belief, and I will respect that. In Jesus' name this is my prayer. I will go away again, and let cooler heads continue on . See you all later. JS
John we DO NOT expect the WT to be restored at all....I don't know where you got that from.... But thank you for the prayer as I know you meant it and it came from your heart. Sis thinking
Hi Sis Thinking, I had no idea the terrible things you have been through. My apologies and heartfelt feelings for those things. You have obviously not lost your faith in Jehovah and are struggling to survive and I do not wish to stumble anyone. Where I am in my relationship with Jehovah and Jesus is different than where you are. Jehovah has room for all of us. All of the messes that groups of men have made down through the last 2 thousand years will be cleaned up by the Kingdom and we will look back and thank Jehovah and Jesus for their kindness and mercy - yes. Have a blessed day. Joe
I've tried to tell them that the WTS will come down completely to never be seen again, but they don't listen because they know it all already. I'm going to post a new thread that will highlight this point very clearly....
I'd be your shoes, I wouldn't bother explaining again what anyone with an IQ higher than an oyster would have grasped right away. So many grandiloquent sentences phrased by way of prayer with so many nonsensical statements therein.... my, my, my ! And now they want to tell us how things should work regarding issues of paramount importance. We never said that the WT would be restored; piling on the agony about families being destroyed by the WT whereas those very people have more than once their full share in that and, to boot, asking God for peace whereas they are the ones who intentionally bring up that subject which is notoriously a bone of contention if addressed by oafs.... No wonder that Jesus said that during the time of the end, the people would lose faith given the spiritual nothingness we already have to put up with....
My dear brother, I don't particularly have hostile feelings towards you, on the contrary ! Many of us here on this db have more or less gone through the same hardships as you because of the stupidity of men and/or the GB's yoke on the org and can relate to them. But it's true that the one thing that I can't stand is to be taken for a fool, especially by people who claim to be anointed and then use such a status to pose platitudes as divine revelations. As some point, some people must live up to their claims if they want to be trusted by sensible persons, especially if they exhort them to make terribly life-changing decisions. It is your right to fall for the spiritual Zorro they think they are but I'll never endorse what I consider as spiritual charlatanism.
Not sure where the idea has come from that we, here on the forum, believe that the WT will be restored. In the future, when the WT collapses, there will be brothers and sisters who will be confused and in shock about what has happened. The GB tells them that the WT will survive the great tribulation and Armageddon. But the prophecies don't indicate that. "Judgement starts first with the house of God." (1 Peter 4:17.) So the brothers and sisters will not be expecting this event to happen. We will have a new ministry then - to help the brothers and sisters understand what has happened and why. We will need to help strengthen their faith and encourage them "to stand on their own two feet" (spiritually speaking.) There will be no such thing as turning to the GB or to the WT for direction, as it will be gone. The forum is here to assist those who are looking for answers and dealing with issues, in need of encouragement.