New covenant - only for anointed or not?

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    Hi,

    Based on the latest food for thought by Perimeno I did some additional investigation into this subject. I wanted to get all the different opinions next to each other to be able to understand this issue correctly.
    According to Perimeno the new covenant includes both those with a heavenly hope and those with a earthly hope, meaning we all should partake from the emblems at the Memorial.
    For example Jesus was talking to the Jews in general when he said in John 6:48-51 that he is the bread of life and that anyone eating this bread (referring to his flesh) would live forever.

    So i did some research on the online library to get a clear understanding of the current view of the WT regarding this issue and i tried to find other sources as well regarding this.

    First I went back in history to the Law Covenant.

    From WT19 - February - Love and Justice in Ancient Israel:
    26 The Mosaic Law covenant breathed life into the relationship between Jehovah and the Israelites. However, the Law was done away with after Jesus fulfilled the Law, and it was replaced with something even better.
    (Rom. 10:4) The apostle Paul described the Law as “a shadow of the good things to come.” (Heb. 10:1)
    The next article in this series will discuss some of those good things and the role that love and justice play in the Christian congregation.
    The original Law Covenant was between the full nation of Israel and Jehovah, not only the priests and Levites.

    Regarding the Passover celebration: Ex 12:43-49 - everyone should participate except uncircumcised foreigners. If a foreigner wanted to participate, all the male should be circumcised.
    (One law will apply for the native and for the foreigner who is residing among you).

    New Covenant view WT
    So the point of view from the WT is that the new covenant is only for the anointed ones.
    I wanted to find scriptures supporting this clearly. To be honest I couldn't find any text that clearly states that this is the case.

    I listed here several scriptures mentioned by the WT when they talk about the new covenant:

    WT16 - March - Jehovah guides his people in the way of life:
    10 - During the first century, God’s people who came into the Christian arrangement received new or expanded instructions on worship and conduct. These devoted servants of God were under a new covenant.
    The Mosaic Law was given to one nation—fleshly Israel. In contrast, spiritual Israel would be made up of people from many nations and backgrounds.
    Truly, “God is not partial, but in every nation the man who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.” (Acts 10:34, 35) The Mosaic Law governed fleshly Israel in the Promised Land with laws carved on stone.
    For spiritual Israel, “the law of the Christ” was mainly based on principles inscribed on hearts. “The law of the Christ” would apply to and benefit Christians wherever they lived.—Gal. 6:2.
    Jer 31:31-34
    31 “Look! The days are coming,” declares Jehovah, “when I will make with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant.+
    32 It will not be like the covenant that I made with their forefathers on the day I took hold of their hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt,+ ‘my covenant that they broke,+ although I was their true master,’* declares Jehovah.”
    33 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares Jehovah. “I will put my law within them,+ and in their heart I will write it.+ And I will become their God, and they will become my people.”+
    34 “And they will no longer teach each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know Jehovah!’+ for they will all know me, from the least to the greatest of them,”+ declares Jehovah.
    “For I will forgive their error, and I will no longer remember their sin.”+

    1 Cor 11:25
    He did the same with the cup+ also, after they had the evening meal, saying: “This cup means the new covenant+ by virtue of my blood.+ Keep doing this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”+
    Gal 6:15,16
    15 For neither is circumcision anything nor is uncircumcision,+ but a new creation is.+ 16 As for all those who walk orderly by this rule of conduct, peace and mercy be upon them, yes, upon the Israel of God.+
    2 Cor 5:17 - Therefore, if anyone is in union with Christ, he is a new creation;+ the old things passed away; look! new things have come into existence.","6":1}">-> 2 Cor 5:17 - Therefore, if anyone is in union with Christ, he is a new creation;+ the old things passed away; look! new things have come into existence.
    Eph 2:10
    We are God’s handiwork* and were created+ in union with Christ Jesus+ for good works, which God determined in advance for us to walk in them.
    Luke 22:20
    Also, he did the same with the cup after they had the evening meal, saying: “This cup means the new covenant+ by virtue of my blood,+ which is to be poured out in your behalf.+
    Reference texts:​

    Jeremiah 31:31
    31 “Look! The days are coming,” declares Jehovah, “when I will make with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant.+

    2 Corinthians 3:6
    6 who has indeed adequately qualified us to be ministers of a new covenant,+ not of a written code,+ but of spirit; for the written code condemns to death,+ but the spirit makes alive.+

    Hebrews 7:22
    22 Jesus has accordingly become the guarantee* of a better covenant.+

    Hebrews 8:8
    8 For he does find fault with the people when he says: “‘Look! The days are coming,’ says Jehovah,* ‘when I will make with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant.

    Hebrews 8:13
    13 In his saying “a new covenant,” he has made the former one obsolete.+ Now what is obsolete and growing old is near to vanishing away.+

    Hebrews 12:24
    24 and Jesus the mediator+ of a new covenant,+ and the sprinkled blood, which speaks in a better way than Abel’s blood.+
    My remarks

    I realize a lot of the scriptures in the Greek scriptures is directed to anointed ones. Recently I have been reading several of the letters of Paul and he often mentions the heavenly hope.
    On the other side there are several occasions when Jesus spoke like about eating his flesh/drinking his blood to the Jews who were there, not only the apostles.
    Another parallel I always keep in mind is the one about physical and spiritual Israel.
    The law convenant was for the full nation of Israel, not only for the levites/priests. Even foreigners who were circumcised were to do the passover.
    So with this parallel, why would the new convenant only apply to 'priests' (anointed).
    A text that would support this is Rev 7:4-8. The 144000 are sealed out of the sons of Israel. So from all those in the new covenant (spiritual Israel) the 144000 anointed are chosen.

    Since it is an important issue, I want to be sure to make a correct decision in this. The Bible is very clear regarding those who partake unworthily. On the other side if we're expected to partake and not do it, it is also serious.


    So with this thread I wanted to see if anyone can add some ideas to this important matter.

    thanks,
    Barry
     
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    Greetings brother...

    Jesus words at John 6:48-51 in no way had anything to do with physical bread on earth. He was speaking about faith in his sacrifice. This is what brings salvation, not physical bread. Attempting to connect his words to the new covenant evening meal is a mistake, there simply is no connection. The bread he broke with his disciples was physical bread, and represented the new covenant "by means of his body," unto his disciples.

    The new covenant is for the kingdom of heavens. This is why John the Baptist will not be going to heaven. The bread represents this covenant for those who will adopt positions as rulers in heaven. The physical bread represents this covenant position with the "chosen from before the world was," not with those who will adopt life everlasting on earth. Jesus words about eating his flesh was only meant to denote faith in his sacrifice, that benefits all. There is no connection between those words and the physical bread at the last supper.
     
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    I have nothing to add Barry. I’m sorry but I find this subject utterly confusing ...perimeno puts up some very good arguments but so do all who have the opposing view....I definitely disagree with peri memo that not partaking may stop us from entering In to the new system.....or having our prayers not answered....I was so disappointed in that comment.
    I’ll have to find that scripture where it says if you do something in ignorance or not understanding it he does not charge you as guilty over it....I forget where that is...
    But I alway read and contemplate. different view points on this so thanks for all that study....
     
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    Very wise words Sister...

    We must remember, it is not by works we are saved. Eating of ritual bread is a work just as the Jewish leaders had ritual works that did not save them.

    "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast." (Eph 2:8-9)

    Eating a bread once a year is a work. This does not save us. Only faith in Christ can do that. It is a free gift and cannot be earned. To imagine one must conduct a work to be saved goes against the very basics of God's Word.

    Jesus words that one must eat of his flesh was completely metaphoric; meaning, they must have faith. This had absolutely nothing to do with the "physical" bread at the last supper.

    John the Baptist had faith in Christ, yet he is not going to heaven. The covenant set up at the last supper was for a kingdom. They were going to be given this kingdom. They were to rule with him in heaven.

    Regardless, the eating of physical bread has nothing to do with salvation. Jesus words made it very clear he was speaking metaphorically of faith when saying we must eat his flesh. He was not talking about physical bread. No one can be saved by works...

    The bread was only a remembrance...
     
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