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    I'm not really sure why we are having a hard time understanding the house rules here.

    The majority of posters here believe the Kingdom Hall is the very courtyard of God. That's God with a capital "G", Jehovah, almighty...

    Even though Jesus overturned the money changer tables, he still considered the house his father's. Even though the Jews worshipped cows, Jehovah still called them his people.

    If you understood what it is i am saying, you would take the next step in understanding prophecy, and our house rules.
     
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    1 Joshua 6:7 And in the latter days, they will build many kingdom halls and they will sell many magazines until Caesar commandeth they removeth the price tag. And verily, they shall proclaim dates and times, and then new dates and times and then newer even dates and times.

    The watchtower group is no better than any other group in Christendom. Trying to stick the watchtower religion into prophecy makes one look foolish.
     
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    Do you think that the core of your system of belief and the way you apply it (here on this db and in your cong, which appalls me) are more spiritually appealing ?
     
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    Utuna. I know what you think of me. I am under no misconception.

    What some people think of me and my thinking process matters. It's a short list. Your name's not on it...

    Jesus said many things that got people all riled up. It was His intention to do so.
    I know that if I speak the truth, the real truth, not a modified-by-some-religious-authority-truth, then shock who it will.... I am on God's side.

    So that you understand how I view kingdomhallers (if you are included I don't know) I write the below truth.

    Tonight is the memorial.
    Now, in past memorials, as a server, we were required to serve the hall, after which, we had to scurry to the front of the hall and seat ourselves in the first row. Now came the dog and pony show.
    With all the server-bros sitting down, the brother at one end (me) would get up, serve the plate/cup to the row of servers starting from the other end of the row.
    He (me) would then scurry back to the end of the row where he (me) was sitting to receive the plate/cup he (me) just served. The first brother-server who was just given the plate/cup first by me, quickly rose and was standing by my side to take it back.
    Thus sayeth the gb.

    I suppose the dog and pony will show up tonight likewise.

    If you cannot step back and see this sanctimonious pomp for what it is, then God help you.

    This is NOT what Jesus had in mind.

    These guys were all over these cups and plates. But somehow, the gb has prescribed this nonsense and everyone accepts it. We have to be seated. We have to pass it. We cannot eat it.
    I never heard it, but I bet the gb discussed it ...as to should it be left to right or right to left. Make sure we strain out all the gnats.

    Tonight, I will not be serving. I begged out. As an attendant however, the server bro will come to me. I will raise my hand and whisper 'thanks'.(no)

    I am sure, since I have done this before, the brother will be paralyzed. The colour will fade from his face and he will stand there like a deer in the headlights. His colour will not return to his face until I reach forward with my holy finger (like in the Vatican painting) and touch the plate ever so slightly.

    Superstitious practice is a hard thing to beat. I think the Catholics are further ahead in beating it.
     
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    How are people in the world supposed to get to know Jehovah? How are people to understand the basic truths about Jehovah and his son Jesus?
    If JW's are no better than others in christendom, why do most people not know about Jehovah?

    John 17:3: "This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ."

    Without the Watchtower, there wouldn't be about 8 million people knowing the only true God and his son Jesus. Most of them would be knowing a mysterious trinity and related false beliefs.

    During history we can always see that Jehovah separated his people out of the surrounding nations. They were always going back to worshipping idols. Still Jehovah calls them my people.

    There are so many prophecies speaking about my people.
    Rev 18:4 "And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues"
    It is clearly talking about my people. Why, if there would be no people, but just some individuals scattered around in all different groups of christendom?
     
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    Dear apocalypse,

    You don't know what I think of you. You only know what I think of the tone and content of your comments towards others. I already wrote elsewhere an inkling of the kind of person you seem to me. I don't think to be that wrong. :)

    May happen tonight in your hall what was meant to happen, although I think that your stance won't make the whole scheme of things go any further and that our hearts have notoriously never been good advisers.
     
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    Jehovah's Witnesses were fed a false teaching about the very verse you quote, and were so for many, many decades. Watchtower finally admitted this when they changed this verse to read more correctly in the Revised NWT. (Albeit in the column notes they stick in their false teaching.)

    Watchtower taught that this verse, with Watchtower's rendering "coming to know you", instead of the correct "to know", demonstrates how perfectly incorrect you are in your thinking. Watchtower had to learn this well known truth from Christendom.

    I will say that if you research the idea of "to know" in the Watchtower library, you will see that some at Watchtower were trying to get the truth out. Please read w01 8/1 pg. 10 par. 13 and also w 92 3/1 pg. 23
    Get to know what the verse means and the history that I personally lived through.

    Jesus said on that day I will tell them "I never KNEW you". (as in I know you and you know me two way street)

    And JWs will be all 'but Lord we were coming to know you, and coming to know you and we are still coming to know you'

    Sure Christendom has their false teachings. But pointing to the fire across the street does not negate the smoke pouring from your own windows.

    You have allowed yourself to be fooled into believing that JWs are wheat separated from the chaff. Jesus made clear that the Sheep and the Goats, and the Weeds and the Wheat are separated when HE comes. And angels do it. Not a bunch of pius better than thous.

    And that's another false teaching that watchtower proclaimed from door to door for a century. That watchtower and her minions were doing the Angel's job.

    If JWs are mentioned in the bible, it's where some accuse Jesus of "winnowing where He did not plant," when He decides to save those who "some" feel are not worthy.
     
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    Apocalypse has been banned for 7 days... I hope he takes this time to understand that on our forum we have opinions on subjects, and no one has a copyright on knowledge. No one here in this house will berate others for the choices they make, or have made within their own journey of faith.

    No one will be allowed to berate others here in this house for the spiritual choices they make without going unchecked.

    This home will be kept spiritually clean!

    De 23:14 "Because the Lord your God walks in the midst of your camp, to deliver you and to give up your enemies before you, therefore your camp must be holy, so that he may not see anything indecent among you and turn away from you."
     
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    So far Apocalypse I see absolutely nothing of scriptural value that you have said thus far on this board. Just my opinion of course. You blast the WT and so they need a blasting, but what is your alternative?

    Frank
     
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    Hey Frank, not anything but curiosity, but where does the "Lord's Witnesses" go from here?
     
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    Keep on Trucking like the Watchtower should have.

    Frank
     
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    We wouldn't be touching, eating or drinking from a covenant that we are not part of. If we were constructively dead we would not be pputting our dead hands on the emblems or the wine making them unclean. A "dead" body makes everything it touches dirty.

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    Hi Frank,

    Do you believe that by partaking as Jesus and then Paul instructed to do is a unclean thing?

    I am confused. Is this the teaching of the "Lords Witnesses"?

    Joe
     
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    No Joe sorry, I brought up a subject that had absolutely nothing to do with the thread. A group of guys have been trying to predict the end and have been wrong hundreds of times, and this last one was claimed to be the one, but that time has past. I was just asking Frank about it without starting a new thread.
     
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    Hi Joshua and Frank,

    Apologies to both of you - I guess I didn't have enough information.

    I read almost the entire site of the "Lords Witnesses" 3 years back and did notice many predictions and chronology information.

    I definitely am not a prophet but only a student of the Word so I will leave this chronology info and future predictions to others.

    I think I am one of the ones spoken of in Acts 1:
    6 When, now, they had assembled, they went asking him: “Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?” 7 He said to them: “It does not belong to YOU to get knowledge of the times or seasons which the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction; 8 but YOU will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon YOU, and YOU will be witnesses of me both in Jerusalem and in all Ju‧de′a and Sa‧mar′i‧a and to the most distant part of the earth.”

    Again - Sorry Frank you are definetly entitled to your scriptural beliefs.

    Have a blessed day.

    Joe
     
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    Hi Joe:

    If you examine the accounts about the Memorial (Passover) very closely you will see that they are not all talking about the new covenant. There are more covenants that people are a part of than the new covenant. The only ones that are a part of that covenant are those that are betrothed to Jesus. Only prospective members of his wife should touch the bread and eat it and only the prospective bride members should touch and drink the wine, it is their covenant and no one's else.

    But there are three other covenants celebrated by Jesus and his apostles. Paul said it was the bread that defines the body of that covenant. If you are a part of that covenant, you are a part of that body (bread) and should partake. If you are part of another covenant, you should not touch nor eat that bread since you are part of another covenant.

    For instance, say you are a person who has the "faith like Abraham" then you are probably in the Abrahamic covenant and should probably partake of that bread and wine. Oh, that's right, Jehovah's Witnesses don't celebrate any covenants but the New Covenant, so no one else can celebrate their salvation covenant at the Passover. Jesus blessed bread before, during, and after the meal (yes, they ate a meal at the Passover). If there was only one covenant celebrated in 33CE in that upper room, why bless the bread multiple times and the same for the wine?

    Play the see how many differences you can find with the different accounts. Then ask yourself, why are there these differences? Is it because Jehovah did not know how to inspire his writers properly and right down what he wanted, or did they write it down just as he wanted and we have missed out on the fine details of his writing?

    As they continued eating, Jesus took a loaf, and after saying a blessing, he broke it,+ and giving it to the disciples, he said: “Take, eat. This means my body.”+ 27 And taking a cup, he offered thanks and gave it to them, saying: “Drink out of it, all of you,+ 28 for this means my ‘blood+ of the covenant,’+ which is to be poured out in behalf of many+ for forgiveness of sins.+ Matthew 26

    Now, would Jesus have broken the bread and put the pieces on a plate and passed it around for anyone to take? No, he broke it and handed it personally to each of his disciples who were part of his bride. He was defining "the body" that the blood (wine) would flow through. He next blessed the wine (in one cup) and handed it to the disciples and they pass the wine around and parake just like the blood flows through the body. Your blood does not flow through someone else's body, just yours. So, you need to know what "body" you are a part of and partake of only that bread. Oh yeah, there isn't one is there.

    If you look closely you will see there are more covenants being celebrated at the account of the Passover than just the New Covenant. That way everyone with faith can partake of the bread and wine that is for the faith covenant that is not part of the New Covenant. Remember, only members of Jesus bride partake of the bread and wine of the New Covenant. It is there engagement.

    Look up the accounts and examine them carefully like we have and you will see some astonishing things, or maybe you won't.

    Frank
     
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    Hi Joe:

    No need to be sorry. Joshua is just poking fun at me. He thinks that I should be ashamed or embarrassed by the fact that we have incorrectly understood prophecies in the Bible pointing forward to the destruction of the Anglo-American world power that we think was prophesied in the Bible. And yes, we have been wrong over 500 times, but eventually we will get it right. Each time we are wrong, we understand better the various prophecies that are involved. This is not a faith test though Joe, or a test of our ability to understand God's word. No, it is rather a test of endurance. Jehovah knew ahead of time that we would accept this challenge and he knew that we would blunder many times. He also knows that eventually we will follow his clues and eventually we will get to the answer. No, I am not embarrassed, nor am I ashamed to be a part of a small group of Christians who have taken up this assignment. No, I am proud to have been found worthy and having the endurance necessary to see this assignment to the end. The Anglo American world power are the feet of the image in Daniel 2. The stone (we think) is cut out of the mountain (administration) of this system of things (the administration of the Kingdom is not established yet on earth so it can't have been cut out of that mountain or administration) it is cut out of the mountain without hands. Now the question is who's hands. Who has the greatest motive to have the Anglo-American power destroyed? If you think this out you will no doubt come to the conclusion that Satan and his Demons have the biggest motive for the Anglo-Americans to be out of the way, because they desire to put that system aside and start a new one which is prophesied in Daniel 7. Remember, there is another world power that will come into existence before Jehovah destroys them to establish the Kingdom. We think Satan will destroy them on the same day or within the same 24 hour period. This will be a fulfillment of Revelation 13...

    Then I saw another wild beast ascending out of the earth, and it had two horns like a lamb, but it began speaking like a dragon.+ 12 It exercises all the authority of the first wild beast+ in its sight. And it makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first wild beast, whose mortal wound was healed.+ 13 And it performs great signs, even making fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the sight of mankind. Revelation 13. Satan will destroy the old financial system in one blow and will set up a new financial order. The center of that financial system will be in the Orient, I think. The city of London and Wall Street will be a thing of the past.

    It's fairly clear from this scripture that the Anglo-American power will bring about this destruction themselves as they are also the architects of the next world power. This is all a ruse. They destroy the old system (that is on the verge of collapsing anyway) and set up the next. Jehovah God will have no part in this destruction but he will have a part in the destruction of the next world power and that destruction will come rather rapidly.

    The prophets of God's word, actual "Prophets" always looked super foolish until their prophecies actually came true. Then they didn't look so foolish. The same is true of those who attempts to understand Prophecy. They look quite foolish as they time and time again get it wrong. But those with endurance are able to look foolish all the way until they don't look so foolish anymore.

    Frank
     
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    I don't take anything Joshua says personally. He is a little passive aggressive. I can appreciate that quality as I am that way myself.

    Frank
     

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