Oldest Homo sapiens

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    Nowhere in the article do they state how they arrive at the dates claimed. It is obvious to me that they are using Carbon 14 dating, which is bogus.

    Oldest Homo sapiens fossils ever found push humanity's birth back to 300,000 years
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...s-fossils-ever-found-300000-years/102585284/#

    The new date for the Irhoud skeletons “changes a lot,” Brooks says. “It pushes (the fossils) into a fairly unknown time range, but one that is clearly very important for the evolution of our species.”
     
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    Hi Tsaphah,

    I'm glad to have discussions with you again, my dear brother.... :)

    Carbon 14 dating is generally considered to be "reliable" up to 50 000 BCE :

    "Radiocarbon dating is generally limited to dating samples no more than 50,000 years old, as samples older than that have insufficient 14C to be measurable. Older dates have been obtained by using special sample preparation techniques, large samples, and very long measurement times. These techniques can allow measurement of dates up to 60,000 and in some cases up to 75,000 years before the present."

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    The alternative dating techniques used there were Thermoluminescence dating and Electron Paramagnetic Resonance (or Electron Spin Resonance aka ESR).

    "Or la datation de la strate par la méthode de la thermoluminescence indique un âge de 315 000 ans (à 30 000 ans près). Confirmée par une autre méthode (la datation par résonance de spin électronique ou ESR), cette date fait de ces restes les plus anciens fossiles d'Homo sapiens connus à ce jour."

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    I don't think that you need any translation to understand what the text quoted above means... ;)

    As for the "exegesis" of all of this, as always, my opinion keeps being that the Bible is right, that the archeological findings do exist and are genuine indeed too but that our human understanding about it all (all of us; scientists and believers alike) is severely lacking... for now... :)
     
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    I agree with this statement...
     
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    Carbon 14 dating is flawed by the fact that it is based on the “theory” that the half life decay rate has always been the same from the beginning of time. Or, at least as far as the earth is concerned. I don’t recall if I attached the copies of W. F. Libby. So, here is a link for anyone interested.

    They (the scientists) assumed that “the volume and composition of the oceans have not fluctuated seriously during the last several tens of thousands of years,”. How do they know that to be true? They “ASSUME!!” There is no quantitative evidence ever recorded to prove this “assumption”. These are also considered to be circular assumptions. How so? First, it is not known how long the decay rate of Carbon 14 is, it is assumed. Second, the effect of ocean mixing is assumed to effect the decay rate. It is also assumed. Third, the volume and composition of the oceans over tens of thousands of years is assumed. That is three strikes. You’re out!

    When looked at seriously, this is like playing the gambling game of roulette. Pick a number. Any number. Let’s spin the wheel and see what comes up? Let’s consider this also, the roulette wheel only has 37 or 38 numbers, depending whether you are playing in Europe or America. Another quantum to add to the mix is regarding “the effects of cosmic radiation on the earth, and the upper atmosphere. It is “assumed” to have been constant through time.

    Radio Carbon Dating, used to determine the age of anything, is a scientific farce.

    Papers written by W.F. Libby on creating the use of radiocarbon dating starting with the studies in 1946 at Lawrence Radiation Laboratory in Berkeley.

    History of Radiocarbon Dating (23 Pages)
    http://www.osti.gov/accomplishments/documents/fullText/ACC0336.pdf

    Radiocarbon Dating , Memories and Hopes (17 pages)
    http://www.osti.gov/accomplishments/documents/fullText/ACC0338.pdf
     
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    Right on Tsaphah - science of this world is really a religion that falsely assumes many things and teaches the assumptions as truth - who would promote that kind of thinking? Doesn't take much thought as to the answer.

    Joe
     
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