Privacy - Is it Important to YOU?

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    I’m sure that most people are aware of the “Snowden affairâ€, and the news of the governments of the world collecting personal information on computer and mobile devices. Many say, “I don’t have anything to hide, so it doesn’t matter to me.†If you only knew! How would you feel if someone came into you home while you were away and looked through all your drawers, closets, clothes, bathroom, etc.? You would likely call the local police agency and report a burglary. The first thing they will ask is; When did this happen? Where do you live? Is anything missing? If you say their doesn’t appear to be anything missing, they may come and take a report. More likely they will ask you to go online and file a report form. That will be the last you will here about it.

    What is important is the fact that you have been violated. If you don’t have a problem with that, you are open to much worse.

    private (adj.)
    late 14c., "pertaining or belonging to oneself, not shared, individual; not open to the public;" of a religious rule, "not shared by Christians generally, distinctive; from Latin privatus "set apart, belonging to oneself (not to the state), peculiar, personal," used in contrast to publicus, communis; past participle of privare "to separate, deprive," from privus "one's own, individual," from PIE *prei-wo-, from PIE *prai-, *prei-, from root *per- (1) "forward, through".

    Old English in this sense had syndrig. Private grew popular 17c. as an alternative to common (adj.), which had overtones of condescention. Of persons, "not holding public office," recorded from early 15c. In private "privily" is from 1580s. Related: Privately. Private school is from 1650s. Private parts "the pudenda" is from 1785. Private enterprise first recorded 1797; private property by 1680s; private sector is from 1948. Private eye "private detective" is recorded from 1938, American English.

    privacy (n.)
    1590s, "a private matter, a secret;" c.1600 as "seclusion," from private (adj.) + -cy. Meaning "state of freedom from intrusion" is from 1814.

    Gobbledegook terms such as “generate a non-unique promotional tagâ€, “We may also use this information in an aggregated wayâ€, “to determine if the device is subject to policies of an enterprise administrator†are a few terms used by all corporations. What do these terms really mean? When will you receive your "mark"? Put this star on your hand and forehead!

    Here is Google’s Privacy & Terms for using their programs. Read carefully.
    http://www.google.com/policies/privacy/
     
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    here is proof that cellphone pictures and were you browse is not secure!!

    Google the word arimatthewdavies

    the images and articles you see were lifted of my cellphone by the Google and yahoo and other apps!

    now beware of using free app because the fine print says that in exchange for using their app they have the right to your data! no privacy and quite tricky.
     
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    Yes Ari,
    Anyone here can "Google" their user name and it will show up along with their comments.

    Check out these articles.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-28639628

    Here is the most disturbing portion of this article, below. I was aware of this over 5 years ago when I noticed that adds were linked to words within my email discussions. I now use an add blocker along with other security blockers. I also do not use Facebook, twitter, linkedin, or other “social mediaâ€￾. Enjoy the Brave New World.

    “Google automatically scans email accounts to provide ads within Gmail, which has more than 400 million users worldwide.

    In April, Google updated its terms and conditions to say: "Our automated systems analyse your content (including emails) to provide you personally relevant product features, such as customised search results, tailored advertising, and spam and malware detection. This analysis occurs as the content is sent, received, and when it is stored."
    This occurred after a class-action lawsuit against the company over email scanning was dismissed earlier this year. At the time, Google said that "a person has no legitimate expectation of privacy in information he voluntarily turns over to third parties".

    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-28640218

    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-28582479

    [video=youtube;BY4flSw-Ojs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY4flSw-Ojs[/video]
     
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    I'm not just talking about our threads getting on Google! I'm talking about my cellphone SD pictures that should be private! not that I have any bad ones.

    and put your area code and phone number into the Google search and it draws a map a shows a picture of your house. just a little too much information!
     
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    more on that privacy thing all android phones have Google location. that's a background service running on your phone that can not be turned off its also used by 911 and Google piggy backs that service..

    what does that mean? that means the Google people know exactly were the owner of the cellphone goes on a day to day basis!

    I'm not saying that the average person Is being geotracked. but your cellphone does have not only that capability but also.

    the abilities to send front and rear feed video(most phones) and full audio!

    that coupled with the sonar and motion sensor could be used to.

    just a sci fi scenerio! Satan decides he wants the new order church to destroy your local bible study contacts.

    so he uses your phones to track you all for a few days and then sends the men in black to arrest those dangerous independent Christian s.

    yes its true with your phone off certain authority s can ping the serial number of your phone and within a few days use passive signal to find you.

    that's just your cellphone! when you swipe your debit card at a store they know were you are and what you buy.

    this is not supposed to be installed without your consent but its a sure thing! all cars have a 32 cent GPS chip!

    law enforcement does have the abilities to get warrents or underground and know were you drive..

    Google earth has a civilian can that brings up your house right to your door!

    and I know as a fact that satalite has neutron infrared emitters. meaning should someone want to they could Veiw you through your roof in shades of red and green.

    privacy hmmmm that's a make believe word today.
     
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    Hi jehovahisgod,

    No need to be paranoid - for as Hebrews says:

    Hebrews 4:
    13 And there is not a creation that is not manifest to his sight, but all things are naked and openly exposed to the eyes of him with whom we have an accounting.


    So what if our every move is looked at - Did not Jehovah promise:

    Isaiah 54:
    16 “Look! I myself have created the craftsman, the one blowing upon the fire of charcoal and bringing forth a weapon as his workmanship. I myself, too, have created the ruinous man for wrecking work. 17 Any weapon whatever that will be formed against you will have no success, and any tongue at all that will rise up against you in the judgment you will condemn. This is the hereditary possession of the servants of Jehovah, and their righteousness is from me,â€￾ is the utterance of Jehovah.



    Don't worry brother Jehovah has our back.

    Have a nice day.

    Joe
     
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    Privacy in a normal sense, yes, I do care. Hence I don't use Facebook, Twitter, etc. and I've never taken a 'selfie'.

    Privacy from the government?

    I'm not concerned.

    They are going to do what they will, and I'm not getting involved trying to stop it, so there is little point in worrying about what they do and do not know about me.
     
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    I reckon I'm gonna get sprung (meaning "to be caught in the act of doing something") one day. The Google satellite is gonna catch me doing housework while dancing to loud music in front of the cat ("sing it with me, Kitty!") It's just a matter of time. :)
     
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    that is the good thing about being good not anything anyone would want to watch! really !
     
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    Why You’re Probably on an NSA Watchlist
    By Mike Leahy

    “In the ongoing battle between government snoops and people interested in protecting their privacy, the snoops will always concentrate their activities where they will have the most impact.â€

    I was talking with one of my colleagues the other day, and he raised a very interesting question, one that deserves consideration by anyone worried about their digital privacy. He read an article that championed the idea that the more steps one took to protect their privacy by using anonymous Web-browsing tools like Tor, the more likely that individual would be targeted for “surveillance†by the NSA.

    The article went on to say the NSA closely watched user accounts searching for information on non-Windows operating systems like Tails or Linux. The authors of the article suggest the NSA presumes anyone interested in using technology to protect their privacy is a potential threat to national security. On the other hand, those taking no steps to demonstrate privacy concerns (as evidenced by an interest in available tools) are not.

    Let that sink in for a moment.

    Supporters of the sentiment that security must trump privacy will tell you that if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. A more apt statement to be garnered from the article is if you have something to hide, the government has something to fear.

    Right now, the NSA operates an Internet surveillance tool called XKeyscore. This program allows them to place every Tor user in the world under ongoing surveillance. This completely negates the supposed anonymity the system was designed to provide.

    The NSA’s own description of XKeyscore suggests its use is widespread, collecting metadata and relational information about Internet and telephone usage. This is then stored and is searchable in real time. The interesting point about XKeyscore's use you should keep in mind is the NSA’s decision that anyone interested in privacy is considered a potential terrorist.

    Think about that for a moment.

    The Pew Research Center Internet and American Life survey found in September 2013 that: “86% of Internet users have taken steps online to remove or mask their digital footprints - ranging from clearing cookies, encrypting their email, and avoiding using their real name, to using virtual networks that mask their Internet protocol (IP) address.

    “55% of Internet users have taken steps to avoid observation by specific people, organizations, or the government.â€

    Or, more simply, more than half of the population of the United States that uses the Internet is categorized as potential terrorists requiring government surveillance to “protect us.†From whom is the government protecting us?

    Apparently, from ourselves. This is madness.

    Aside from this, there’s another important point you need to be aware of. I remember arguments I had with my peers when I was 10 years old. It was the height of the Cold War, and we were debating the need of missiles to stop intercontinental ballistic missiles. But it didn’t stop there. We argued about whether we needed anti-missiles to stop the ICBMs. And anti-anti-missiles to stop those.

    Similarly, you might remember the quote attributed to Willie Sutton, who supposedly said that he “robbed banks because that was where the money was.†In the ongoing battle between government snoops and people interested in protecting their privacy, the snoops will always concentrate their activities where they will have the most impact.

    Just as Apple computers have not been targeted with viruses by online threats nearly as much as their Windows PC counterparts, growing use of alternate operating systems like Linux, Tor and Tails raises the interest in their users. Quite simply, they choose to “hide†something.

    As in all technology-dependent conflicts, each side will reinvent its tools to defeat the tools used by their opponents. Thus, it is important to acknowledge that the tools we use to “enhance†privacy are simply that - tools. The only way to truly keep personal information “private†is to not share it.

    Having said that, how many social media platforms (Facebook, et al.) do you participate on?

    Think about it!

    Mike Leahy is an attorney in Annapolis, Md., and a Certified Information Privacy Professional (CIPP/US).
     
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    Personally, I don't care much about those privacy issues. Barring my disagreement with the teachings of the GB, I have nothing to hide. If the NSA wants to know things about me, let them just ask me and I'll willingly answer their questions. The same with pictures if they want pictures of my latest holiday places...

    I obviously have a paid antivirus and anti-spyware software. I'm cautious in everything I do but don't have a fixation on these issues. I fear more the blunders, and even the foolishness, of real people around me than the NSA's nosy ways.
     
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    Here are some caveats to putting any personal files, photos, etc., into the “cloudâ€￾ (is that like Heaven?) or other storage arrangement other than your computer system or devices. Remember: by using their services or system, you MUST ACCEPT these terms of use.

    4.3 As part of this continuing innovation, you acknowledge and agree that Google may stop (permanently or temporarily) providing the Services (or any features within the Services) to you or to users generally at Google’s sole discretion, without prior notice to you.
    (You better make sure nothing valuable to you is stored using their system.)

    4.4 You acknowledge and agree that if Google disables access to your account, you may be prevented from accessing the Services, your account details or any files or other content which is contained in your account.

    5.4 You agree that you are solely responsible for (and that Google has no responsibility to you or to any third party for) any breach of your obligations under the Terms and for the consequences (including any loss or damage which Google may suffer) of any such breach.
    (If a hacker accesses your account and uses it to hack other accounts or writes code to ANY Google program, YOU ARE responsible!)

    6.2 You agree to the use of your data in accordance with Google’s privacy policies.

    Without all the corporate speak and bovine excrement, Information we collect: your name, email address, telephone number or credit card. And if you are dumb enough; we might also ask you to create a publicly visible Google Profile, which may include your name and photo.

    Information we get from your use of our services. We may collect information about the
    services that you use and how you use them, like when you visit a website that uses our advertising services or you view and interact with our ads and content. This information includes: Everything about you: http://www.google.com/policies/privacy/


     
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    Google makes 99% of its profit from its advertising. Google also has the ability to track and analyze a person's online behavior and inform advertisers what sites a browser has visited, what ads have been clicked on, and what search terms have been used.

    "Welcome to the machine." way back in 1975

    [video=youtube;w7G9R5dT0ew]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7G9R5dT0ew[/video]



     
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    Tell me this isn’t leading up to: “Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.â€￾ (Rev 13:16-17 ESV)

    “Why should I care? I don’t have anything to hide!â€￾

    Just be aware and remember what happened in Germany in 1932-1945!

    History repeats itself. You may be next!

    “We must pay the most careful attention, therefore, to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away. For since the message spoken through angels was binding, and every violation and disobedience received its just punishment, how shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him. God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.â€￾ (Heb 2:1-4 NIV)

    It is interesting that both of these appeared yesterday and today.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/the-data-brokers-selling-your-personal-information-2/

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...-11e3-bf76-447a5df6411f_story.html?tid=pm_pop


     
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    honestly last year there was a fella riding a horse with two pack horses , you know
    like you saw the old movies up 101.(I was actually raised on ranches) and I thought to
    myself if I weren't a woman that was looking especially good these days . No property
    , no property taxes , no dusting , no housework , it all comes down the the "safety"
    issues . We aren't safe from the corporations or governments at all , but on the streets
    you have other kind of safety issues ...because I can tell you like my X I have rolled
    around extensively a means of disconnect to society and haven't found one that
    could succeed ...even at that I regularly peruse things like "living off the grid".My age and
    lack of funds to succeed in full cut off , well I just haven't found it ...was he carrying
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    now even more so ...the TV is gone also .The piece of equipment I am currently using is
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    "Welcome to the machine, Where have you been? It's alright we know where you've been. You've been in the pipeline, filling in time, . . . . . .So welcome to the machine. :p

    :cool::cool::cool:

     
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    I think Google is trying to figure out my size and my style of wardrobe. For a few days now, whenever I looked at my email, there were advertisements for fashion companies that catered to women who had a certain......how shall I say?.........stature and a particular style of wardrobe. I didn't click on any of them.

    Yesterday I noticed that the advertisements had changed and the fashion companies that were being promoted, catered to a different type of stature and style of wardrobe.

    So is that like baiting? Testing the water?

    "She didn't click on those ads, maybe she'll click on these ones."
     
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    Today, I lost use of Google Earth. The new program was updated and my old system cannot run it. Although I have an operating system that is shown to be capable, according to the list by Google. While trying to install the new program, I happened to come across their User License. Here are a few caveats many people don’t bother to read, before accepting the program. “But it’s FREE!” Not quite. Read the copied statements below.

    Here are some caveats to putting any personal files, photos, etc., into a “cloud” or other storage arrangement other than your computer system or devices. Remember: by using their services or system, you MUST ACCEPT these terms of use.

    4.3 As part of this continuing innovation, you acknowledge and agree that Google may stop (permanently or temporarily) providing the Services (or any features within the Services) to you or to users generally at Google’s sole discretion, without prior notice to you.

    (You better make sure nothing valuable to you is stored using their system.)

    4.4 You acknowledge and agree that if Google disables access to your account, you may be prevented from accessing the Services, your account details or any files or other content which is contained in your account.

    5.4 You agree that you are solely responsible for (and that Google has no responsibility to you or to any third party for) any breach of your obligations under the Terms and for the consequences (including any loss or damage which Google may suffer) of any such breach.

    (If a hacker accesses your account and uses it to hack other accounts or writes code to ANY Google program, YOU ARE responsible!)

    6.2 You agree to the use of your data in accordance with Google’s privacy policies.

    Without all the corporate speak and bullshit, Information we collect: your name, email address, telephone number or credit card. And if you are dumb enough; we might also ask you to create a publicly visible Google Profile, which may include your name and photo.

    Information we get from your use of our services. We may collect information about the services that you use and how you use them, like when you visit a website that uses our advertising services or you view and interact with our ads and content. This information includes:

    Everything about you: http://www.google.com/policies/privacy/

    Oh yes, and by the way, are you using Facebook?!! Read this. http://www.snopes.com/computer/facebook/privacy.asp

    From CNN News
    4. Redefined private
    In short: The Next Web reported Thursday that Facebook “confirmed scanning users’ private messages for shared links to Web pages with Like buttons, so it can increase the number of corresponding Likes for those pages.” Facebook's response: “We did recently find a bug with our social plugins where at times the count for the Share or Like goes up by two, and we are working on a fix to solve the issue now. To be clear, this only affects social plugins off of Facebook and is not related to Facebook Page likes. This bug does not impact the user experience with messages or what appears on their timelines.”
    An update and further explanation are at The Next Web.
    The reaction: Spke posted, “Who cares, exactly what gmail does to serve ads”
    “This has to make you wonder what other stats FB is inflating,” @rk tweeted.

     
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    Hi Tsaphah,

    Google Earth hasn't been working either on my computer for months. I don't know why. It worked all of a sudden one day that I tried it again, to my surprise...

    Must have been a bug or a Windows update needed to make it work...
     

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