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    Hey Tsaphah,

    Do you know Cambridge Analytica ?

    Please, have a closer look at the political division... :eek: Was this election rigged and by whom...?

    The main problem with lies is that there are always people who end up believing them.

    Maybe that you already know it, otherwise, I bet that you're gonna love what follows.... You already know that conspiracy theories and paranoid fears aren't my cup of tea but when the articles are sensible, well-documented and objectively written, they may be of interest to me* :

    https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mg9vvn/how-our-likes-helped-trump-win

    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...es-cambridge-analytica-what-role-brexit-trump

    https://www.theguardian.com/technol...eat-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/07/cambridge_analytica_dystopianism/

    Another one from Snopes :

    http://www.snopes.com/2017/06/14/da...sues-the-guardian-brexit-cambridge-analytica/

    This one is for Baruk and for other French-speaking readers :

    https://www.spicee.com/fr/program/unfair-game-comment-trump-a-manipule-lamerique-1184

    Hi Baruk, I have bought and downloaded the full version of the program above. I'm uploading it on my Youtube account in private mode so I can share it to trusted people in case of need.... Ring the bell if you're interested... ;)

    * And not only when they bash "casque d'or"/ "golden helmet" as I like to call Trump... :p
     
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    Well, well, well! I’ve been familiar with all of these “Fake News”:eek: sites, for many years. The saying is: “What you don’t know can’t hurt you!” Yeah, it won’t hurt you, it can kill you! Their average Joe/Jane is clueless when it comes to intelligence gathering. They are also clueless to the “farming” of individual accounts on the internet, and the development of A.I. All these “handy devices” that help you around the house, shopping, appointments, etc, etc, etc.

    As for the Golden Helmet, I’m more inclined to describe his mouth, Cat’s Butt, when he’s talking.:D How many people do you think understand Luke 4:5-6: “So he brought him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the inhabited earth in an instant of time. Then the Devil said to him: ‘I will give you all this authority and their glory, because it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.’”

    And all the Presidents and Rulers said, “Thank You. Thank You, Very Much!!”:D

     
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    There have been several news articles in National and International news papers and Magazines recently. At the same time there are “new” technology “bots” offered for sale by several different companies. The following few paragraphs are quotes from a book that I highly recommend. I am using the fair use clause from the copyright law, as a commentary about the use of “bots” from the following.
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    “I’VE DOWNLOADED a smartphone app called Cleverbot, which I’m trying out. It is attempting to convince me that it is human. So I’ve decided to ask it a few questions to test it out. I’ve texted a friend of my son’s, too, to get a comparison, so here are the responses. Can you tell which is the human and which the chatbot?

    Question 1: Do you have a girlfriend?
    Response A: Do you want me to have a girlfriend?
    Response B: Mind your own business.

    Question 2: What is your dream?
    Response A: My dream is to become a famous poet.
    Response B: To make lots of money.

    Question 3: Are you conscious?
    Response A: If I wasn’t I don’t think I . . .
    Response B: It’s the only thing I’m sure of.

    It turns out that the more I play with Cleverbot the more I am training the app to respond like a human. Every conversation I have with the app is banked and tapped into for future conversations, so
    that my responses will become part of the next conversation that Cleverbot might have.

    Although the responses to my questions so far are inconclusive it’s not long before a conversation with Cleverbot reveals it to be rather less than human. But the question of whether my smartphone will ever be clever enough to be conscious of its own existence, or whether I can really tell if my son’s friend is truly conscious or is also just a good simulation, is far trickier and goes to the heart of one of the toughest unknowables on the books.
    Both responses to my question about consciousness tap into Descartes’s famous declaration: “I think, therefore I am.” This was his response to the skeptics who doubted whether we could be sure that we truly knew anything about the universe. Originating in Plato’s Academy in Athens, the skeptics believed nothing could be known for certain. You think you are currently holding a book or perhaps some electronic device in your hand. But are you sure? I’ve picked up the die on my table. At least I think I have, but perhaps the whole thing is a dream and there is no book and no die. Perhaps the whole experience is some computer-simulated environment fed into our brains like some scene from The Matrix. Descartes in his Meditations retorts that in all these scenarios the one thing I can be sure about is my own existence, my own consciousness. However, this “I” could turn out to be one of the ultimate unknowables.” ( The Great Unknown by Marcus Du Sautoy, 2016, pp 301-302)
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    Apple Inc., encourages customers to use the Siri bot, Amazon wants you to buy Alexa, there are many other “virtual agents/assistants”, to help you. They all remind me of Hall9000 from “2001 A Space Odyssey”. The questions and answers listed above are unique. As the author asks, “Can you tell which is the human and which the chatbot?”, did you chose correctly? It is based on what you know of human reactions and, how the questions are to be understood.

    What is the difference between these two statements: This is a true story. This is based on a true story. The one thing that is important to distinguish between a “[ro]bot” and a “human” is what?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_bot

    An Artificial Intelligence Developed Its Own Non-Human Language
    (Gen 11:1-9)
    https://www.theatlantic.com/technol...e-develops-its-own-non-human-language/530436/

    Answer: “[ro]bots” don’t have souls!
     
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    “Artificial intelligence engineers have a problem: They often don’t know what their creations are thinking.”

    “Defining AI is slippery and growing more so, as startups slather the buzzword over whatever they are doing. It is generally accepted as any attempt to ape human intelligence and abilities.”

    “Because engineers typically create many versions of an AI when trying to discover the best one, the use of cognitive psychology could give engineers more power to choose the ones that “think” the way we want them to, Mr. Barrett said. Alternatively, we might find it’s better when AIs don’t think like us: We might learn something new about how to solve problems.
    The upshot is that when we replace human decision makers with artificial intelligences, AIs have the potential to be better, with more accountability, because their output is measurable and we might be able to trace how they make decisions.
    We ask humans to do this—in court, when dissecting a business decision—but humans are unreliable narrators. With machines, we could have decision-makers whose every bias and impulse can be inspected and potentially altered.”
    (Career of the Future: Robot Psychologist, By Christopher Mims (WSJ -July 9, 2017)

    “Elon Musk warned a gathering of U.S. governors that they need to be concerned about the potential dangers from the rise of artificial intelligence and called for the creation of a regulatory body to guide development of the powerful technology.”
    Tesla Boss Warns on Artificial Intelligence. By Tim Higgins, WSJ, July 17, 2017)

    Even though Mr. Musk warns about the dangers of AI, he “helped create OpenAI, a nonprofit research group that aims for the safe development of the technology.” (Tim Higgins, WSJ, July 17, 2017)

    What should scare people the most is the fact that AI lacks cognition. It is a machine and is unaware of who/what it is. Some people, those who have mental issues, Do not have self recognition. They do not have an answer to “Who am I?” A question that AI developers should ask is; “Do these machines think?” My answer is NO!


     
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    Privacy should be important, anyone can find anything on you, especially if you are using the same username everywhere, I've doxxed a number of people who have disrespected me. The last one was on Reddit, got myself banned for doing it. XD

    Knowing the damage I am capable of, I use fake names on Facebook, multiple usernames, passwords and emails.

    You would be amazed at the stuff I have found on people. (XXX, home address, jail records, spouses, phone numbers, work, etc.)
     
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    Hi BreakTheWalls,
    The reasons you give are the reasons I don’t do any of the standard Apps, popular sites, etc. I see that you are student of Computational Mathematics & Programing. You may like the book that I’ve quoted from recently, “The Great Unknown” by Marcus Du Sautoy.

    What do you think these robots are doing? Collecting everything you put online! They analyze, compare and identify users. That information is shared with every government, company, corporation, bank, and anyone else interested in paying for the information. "Oh, Mr./Mrs/Miss, we found that you recently purchased a (fill in the blank), We know what you like, we have information about your affair on (fill in the site), etc." :eek: :(
     
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    It's interesting you bring this up. I have an Amazon Echo, and Google has an AI competition ongoing right now. In order to be a part of the competition you ask Alexa to chat, and she will say "Welcome to the Alexa prize." at which point she will open any number of chat bots to converse with, and at the end you can vote and offer commentary on your conversation.

    Most bots cannot continue a conversation after an initial statement, but only reply to your answer. Increasingly I am noticing bots that can remember their last sentence, combine my answer with it, then follow through on that subject with their next statement. This shows a complexity that I have not noticed in AI until recently, and one I knew was the next step. For I've actually been involved with chat bots going back some 15 years or more, and even spent some time programming them back in the day...

    Quite interesting where AI is, but we should take Elon Musks advice perhaps...
     
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    One of the things robots lack is consciousness. Self awareness.
     
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    Yet... ;)

    As a side note I've read some of what Musk and Gates have said, and it sounds like they've seen something that has questioned weather whether we've seen the beginnings of awareness in machines, and reading between the lines, they didn't like what they saw, they speak of demons...
     
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    Is this cognition? Self awareness? Hmmmm! 49 years ago. A classic story and film.

    HAL 9000: "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that"

     
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    I should probably have started another forum subject, but the subject matter is still about what will happen to privacy and robots/AI.

    It appears that Elon Musk stepped on Mark Zuckerberg’s AI toes. Musk already has too much money. At least it looks like he is aware of the problems that AI can cause. One of his self driving cars caused an accident that killed the passenger/driver, due to failure of the AI system.

    Mark Zuckerberg has no real experience with AI, other than his experiments with AI information gathering on Facebook. Musk said, “”I keep sounding the alarm bell,” Musk told the National Governors Association in June. “But until people see robots going down the street killing people, they don’t know how to react because it seems so ethereal.” Zuckerberg called Musk’s dire warnings overblown and described himself as “optimistic.” “People who are naysayers and try to drum up these doomsday scenarios – I don't understand it,” Zuckerberg said while taking questions via a Facebook Live broadcast. “It's really negative, and in some ways, I actually think it is pretty irresponsible.”

    Musk said Zuckerberg was out of his element. “I’ve talked to Mark about this,” Musk wrote. “His understanding of the subject is limited.” Zuckerberg is known for his measured public statements but also his confidence that technology will genuinely improve the world. Musk, on the other hand, is not afraid to make eyebrow-raising remarks on many topics, be it the danger of self-aware computer networks or his theory that we're actually characters living inside a simulation.

    While speaking at the governors meeting, Musk made the case for government regulation of AI, arguing that the technology could raise a “fundamental risk to the existence of civilization.”
    http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-zuckerberg-ai-20170725-story.html

    The “living inside a simulation” comment is likely referring to the movie “The Thirteenth Floor”. If you haven’t seen it, look for it online and watch it. It was mentioned by Chuck Missler Beyond Space and Time. Very interesting indeed! :eek:
     
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    Privacy rights at risk as tech giants tap into users’ data
    McClatchy Washington Bureau
    by Tim Johnson

    It’s an experience every computer or smart phone user has had. After downloading new software or an app, a window pops up with a legal agreement. At the bottom is an “I agree” button. One click, and it’s gone. Most users have no clue what they’ve agreed to.

    http://www.sacbee.com/news/business/technology/article166489012.html

    "The Voice" - Alan Parsons Project


    It's almost a feeling you can touch in the air,
    You look all around you but nobody's there.
    It's been a long time now since you've been aware
    That someone is watching you...(he's gonna get you)...

    Sooner or later when your big chances come,
    You'll look for the catches but there'll be none.
    Remember before you grab the money and run
    That someone is watching you...(he's gonna get you)...

    Before you run and hide
    He's gonna get you.
    You got no choice,
    'Cause you can't escape the voice.

    (Instrumental Interlude)

    Jumping at shadows that come up from behind.
    Scared of the darkness that's there in your mind,
    You're frightened to move because of what you might find...
    Someone is watching you...(he's gonna get you)...

    Before you run and hide
    He's gonna get you.
    You got no choice,
    'Cause you can't escape the voice.

    HAL 9000: "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that" :eek:
     
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    Vets group sues Pentagon for not protecting private military records of millions of troops
    http://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article166754722.html#storylink=indep

    Unfortunately this guy was dumb enough to give information over the phone to a scammer. Never, ever, give any information to someone claiming to be a representative of a computer company!
     
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