Proof of the diaspora after the flood

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    You know brother, I've been thinking allot lately about time. While studying places like Gobekli Tepe, Inti Punku, the Giza Plateau, I am beginning to think that some of these monuments were created before the flood and needed a lot of time...

    I wonder if maybe nothing changed with man to shorten his lifespan from before the flood to after. What I am wondering however is if Jehovah changed something about our earth that changed how time passed, and that effected how many years man lived. Something like the earth traveled slower around the sun before the flood, our earth traveled around the galaxy at a different speed.

    Because the question would be in what way God changed mankinds DNA that his life was shortened. I don't think that's what happened. Something must have changed in his environment to change the age discrepancy.

    Then taking into account the appearance of age for such things like strata, limestone, carbon 14, archaeological findings etc, something happened with time after the flood.

    One can look at the enclosure of the sphinx and can come to the conclusion that it has been weathered by water, and the age appears to be perhaps 5-30 thousand years old...
     
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    To backup your point, dinosaurs could not survive in our ecosystem today.
     
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    Oh yea, the oxygen level is different as well....

    Hey, have you seen the expanding earth theory? I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but there is some interesting theories out there.

    Pangia not only matches up with the continents coming together, they also fit together on the back side as well.

     
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    Does not compute :)

    Could be!
     
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    Do you think the demons that co-habited with women may have had something to do with these things? Or, the children of the angels that existed before the creation of "the man" in Genesis 1....

    And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he(not us) created them.+28 Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth+ and subdue it,+ and have in subjection+ the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”

    Jehovah created pre-historic man with the angels (us) in verse 26. There is a clear distinction made between man (with no mention of male and female, perhaps because they did not procreate like the man would and did)(they procreated like their parents the angels (the holy spirit would give them children).

    Then God said: “Let us (Jehovah and the angels) + make man (not "the man" as in the next verses, which Jehovah did himself) in our image,(in the image of God and the angels)+according to our likeness, (procreates through Holy Spirit not sexually)+ and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.” No blessing of them, and no command to be fruitful and multiply for simple "man", nor any command to fill the earth and subdue it, that command was given to "the man" that Jehovah had created himself.

    Learn to read with discernment.....
     
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    Let me take some time write and gather the necessary information to give an answer to these statements.
     
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    One important thing to remember when reading this information, it is all theory!

    Theory =
    1. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.

    Science =
    1. a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws:
    the mathematical sciences.

    2. systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.

    Important Fallacies:
    1. a deceptive, misleading, or false notion, belief, etc.:
    That the world is flat was at one time a popular fallacy.
    2. a misleading or unsound argument.
    3. deceptive, misleading, or false nature; erroneousness.
    4. Logic. any of various types of erroneous reasoning that render arguments logically unsound.

    When you view this geological time scale, notice where the “Hominins” = resembling or characteristic of humans. Homin- (stem of homō) man + ine = “of the nature of,” “made of,” “like”. Then, Non-avian dinosaurs and mammals. All of these appear before there are Land plants. How was their life sustained? Did these just eat dirt?

    All of the following is taken from internet sources.
    The geological time scale (GTS) is a system of chronological dating that relates geological strata (stratigraphy) to time, and is used by geologists, paleontologists, and other Earth scientists to describe the timing and relationships of events that have occurred during Earth’s history. Times are listed in millions of years, or megaanni (Ma).

    Ma (for megaannus), is a unit of time equal to one million, or 106, years, or 1 E6 yr. “Ma” is commonly used in scientific disciplines such as geology, paleontology, and celestial mechanics to signify very long time periods into the past or future. For example, the dinosaur species Tyrannosaurus rex was abundant approximately 66 Ma (66 million years) ago. The duration term “ago” may not always be indicated: if the quantity of a duration is specified while not explicitly mentioning a duration term, one can assume that “ago” is implied; the alternative unit “mya” does include “ago” explicitly. In astronomical applications, the year used is the Julian year of precisely 365.25 days. In geology and paleontology, the year is not so precise and varies depending on the author.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Geologic_Clock_with_events_and_periods.svg

    Uniformitarianism. ... He called it uniformitarianism: the theory that Earth’s features are mostly accounted for by gradual, small-scale processes that occurred over long periods of time. Also called gradualism, the theory of uniformitarianism was fleshed out and popularized by another geologist, Charles Lyell.

    In the 1830s, Lyell published Principles of Geology, which explained the finer details of uniformitarianism. The book became a keystone text for geologists and also influenced the evolutionary theories of Charles Darwin.
    If you are interested, and want to spend the time reading his theory of uniformitarianism, you can download it here.
    https://books.google.com/books?id=m...PAhUIyyYKHTELCwAQ6AEILzAD#v=onepage&q&f=false

    More, later, on my explaination of life on this earth, along with geologic information, based on the Bible.
     
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    “The human mind is inspired enough when it comes to inventing horrors; it is when it tries to invent a heaven that it shows itself cloddish.” - Evelyn Waugh

    I won’t get into early scriptures to explain my understanding of the processes used by Jehovah and his son (the first of all his creations). Together, they created everything that exists. I also won’t get into the basic building blocks of the physical universe. I’ll try to keep it simple. There were certain steps that were necessary involving mathematical formulas. “God thunders with his voice in a wonderful way; He does great things that are beyond our understanding.” (Job 37:5) Jehovah designed our earth and the known observable universe to be discovered by man. (Job 12:22) One of the first qualities Jehovah included was free will in mankind. This is not given to other animals likely because they were created for a completely different purpose. Man was made as a shadow of Jehovah. (Gen 1:27) The word translated as “image” is tselem (tseh’-lem) from an unused root meaning to shade. “These men are offering sacred service in a typical representation and a shadow of the heavenly things; (Heb 8:5)

    Of course, we know that several of the individuals we call “angels”, “spirits”, “demons”, used their free will to rebel against Jehovah God. The apparent first individual to become an adversary/accuser was an spirit son titled “satan”, most times capitalized “Satan”. The word in Hebrew means adversary, accuser/resistor, opposer, and is used many times in speaking of anyone who holds those roles. (Num 22:22; 2 Sam 19:22; 1 Ki 5:4, 11:23, 11:25)

    But let’s get to the history of the earth and the so called sciences of evolution, geology, and biology. These three together are the most used to discredit the Bible and anyone who believes in it’s words.

    Let’s consider the Genesis account given by the one who designed and created everything. There is a general statement; “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (Gen 1:1) First mentioned is the heavens (shamayim = shaw-mah'-yim) which include the sky, atmosphere, visible heavens, visible universe, and abode of God. Second is the earth ('erets = eh'-rets), land, ground, surface, territory, etc.

    The next statements deal directly with the earth as the subject. “The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.” This is a concise statement dealing with this matter which is called earth. It had no form and was likely a mass of molten matter of which the details are not given. The mathematics and formulas are also not given. From what we have learned about physics, it takes a long time to go from hot to cold. Time for water to not evaporate from the heat. I have mentioned in other subjects about the Hebrew word yowm. It is relative, in a general way.

    The deep could refer to deep crevices in the earths surface, or it could be the deep places that became filled with water. The Hebrew word for “deep” is, t@howm (teh-home’, meaning deep, depths, deep places, abyss, the deep, sea, primeval ocean. Then, the third person of the triune god flew around over the surface of the waters, to cool them. Similar to Superman. Ooops, that’s not logical. It was likely a wind (ruwach = roo'-akh) which caused a convection process. This process created another source of water suspended in the atmosphere above the earth. (Gen 1:2) Without water, there would be no life forms of any kind.

    Next, there needed to be light. A celestial mass to produce the necessary warmth for the next steps to sustain life forms. Remember! The whole purpose of this mass/matter was to provide a place in this universe to have a “shadow of the reality” to live on it. All of this was a part of a plan to share the joy of being alive. A plan to share the greatness of this superior person. A plan for these living creatures to enjoy the observable things made, for their wonder and pleasure.

    Then, God separated the light from the darkness. Too much light would cause the earth to become over heated. And, in the long run, people (those to come) would have a hard time sleeping (rejuvenate) to restore their strength.** This became the end of the first creative period concerning the earth. (yowm one, translated and accepted by most as Day One.) However long this period was, we don’t know, or at least I don’t know. Some people believe it is a literal 24 hour day. I wasn’t going to address that issue here, but then I will.

    ** I know what it’s like to have 24 hours of daylight. Near the North Pole, in the summer, we used blackout shades on our windows, in order to sleep at night.

    A literal 24 hour time period for creation of the heavens and earth is physically impossible. It is also illogical. Oh yeah? What about this scripture, “For nothing will be impossible with God.” (Lu 1:37) “And looking at them Jesus said to them, ‘With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.’” (Mt 19:26) “But He said, ‘The things that are impossible with people are possible with God.’” (Mk 10:27) In reading these scriptures, we must take into account, the subject matter that caused this statement to be made. What was the subject being spoken of?

    The account mentioned at Luke 1:37 dealt with the conception of John the baptizer by his aged mother Elizabeth. This type of birth had happened before with Sarah, at age 90. Impossible? No! Why? For one thing, the literal translation should read, “For not any word will be impossible with God.” The act of God arranging for an aged woman to become pregnant is not impossible. In the second case mentioned at Luke 10:27 and Mt 19:26, Jesus was speaking of the case of a rich man being allowed to enter the kingdom of heaven. Impossible? No! This also deals with God accepting the person.

    The above mentioned situations are not dealing with physical laws of the universe. The births still took 9 months. The fertility of these women is possible physically. Today we have cases where mothers are artificially inseminated to bear their daughters baby. We have infertile women able to have babies. They still take 9 months to develop. There are no 24 hour, one day miracle babies. Even the birth of Jesus took 9 months.

    Next, in the second period of creation, came the expanse to separate “the waters from the waters.” (Gen 1:6) The Hebrew word is raqiya (raw-kee’-ah), meaning an uninterrupted space or area; the vault of heaven; sky. Strong’s definition is:
    1. extended surface (solid), expanse, firmament
    a. expanse (flat as base, support)
    b. firmament (of vault of heaven supporting waters above)
    1. considered by Hebrews as solid and supporting ‘waters’ above

    From the Hebrew primitive root word raqa’ (raw-kah’; meaning to make a spreading (of the clouds)
    These are the waters that came down in the flood of Noah’s day. “He stretches out the north over empty space And hangs the earth on nothing.” (Job 26:7) “Can you, with Him, spread out the skies, Strong as a molten mirror?” (Job 37:18)

    From the creation account, we understand that there was a land mass, a large body of water/ocean, and water suspended in the atmosphere above. (Gen 1:1-8) Jehovah God used all the rules of the mathematical laws He created prior to the creation of the heavens and earth. He does not break the laws He created. What we call miracles are things we either don’t understand, or don’t know how they occur. “Then God said, ‘Behold, I am going to make a covenant. Before all your people I will perform miracles which have not been produced in all the earth nor among any of the nations; and all the people among whom you live will see the working of the Lord, for it is a fearful thing that I am going to perform with you.’” ( Ex 34:10 NASB )

    Miracle: an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.

    More to come later. I will cover evolution, geologic theory and it’s history.
     
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    In this post, I will cover geologic ages, evolution, carbon14 dating, and their theoretical histories. First in line is geology. The reason I place it first is because it is/was the basis for time periods that influenced the other subjects.

    Geologic dating and classifications started with a theory by Charles Lyell, Baronet. A Scottish geologist largely responsible for the general acceptance of the view that all features of the Earth’s surface are produced by physical, chemical, and biological processes through long periods of geological time. The concept was called uniformitarianism (initially set forth by James Hutton). Lyell’s achievements laid the foundations for evolutionary biology as well as for an understanding of the Earth’s development. He was knighted in 1848 and made a baronet in 1864. ( https://www.britannica.com )

    Uniformitarianism: the theory that changes in the earth's crust during geological history have resulted from the action of continuous and uniform processes.

    “Lyell was rapidly developing new principles of reasoning in geology and began to plan a book which would stress that there are natural (as opposed to supernatural) explanations for all geologic phenomena, that the ordinary natural processes of today and their products do not differ in kind or magnitude from those of the past, and that the Earth must therefore be very ancient because these everyday processes work so slowly. With the ambitious young geologist Roderick Murchison, he explored districts in France and Italy where proof of his principles could be sought. From northern Italy Lyell went south alone to Sicily. . . . , but in the region around Mt. Etna he found striking confirmation of his belief in the adequacy of natural causes to explain the features of the Earth and in the great antiquity even of such a recent feature as Etna itself.” To read more, go here. ( https://www.britannica.com/biography/Sir-Charles-Lyell-Baronet )

    He published his book, “Principles of Geology” in 1830. For a copy, published in 1832, go here: https://books.google.com/books?id=4...PAhXIh1QKHd6yDeMQ6AEIJDAB#v=onepage&q&f=false

    For more on uniformitarianism, go here: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/history_12

    Lyell also covers the subject of evolution in his book, which influenced Charles Darwin. “The very first place which I examined . . . showed me clearly the wonderful superiority of Lyell’s manner of treating geology, compared with that of any other author, whose work I had with me or ever afterwards read.”

    That influence carried Darwin forward. An English naturalist whose scientific theory of evolution by natural selection became the foundation of modern evolutionary studies. An affable country gentleman, Darwin at first shocked religious Victorian society by suggesting that animals and humans shared a common ancestry. However, his nonreligious biology appealed to the rising class of professional scientists, and by the time of his death evolutionary imagery had spread through all of science, literature, and politics. Darwin, himself an agnostic, was accorded the ultimate British accolade of burial in Westminster Abbey, London. ( https://www.britannica.com/biography/Charles-Darwin )

    “In our first volume we treated of the changes which have taken place in the inorganic world within the historical era, and we must next turn our attention to those now in progress in the animate creation. In examining this class of phenomena,we shall treat first of the vicissitudes to which species are subject, and afterwards consider the influence of the powers of vitality in modifying the surface of the earth and the material constituents of its crust.
    The first of these divisions will lead us, among other topics, to inquire, first, whether species have a real and permanent existence in nature; or whether they are capable, as some naturalists pretend, of being indefinitely modified in the course of a long series of generations? Secondly,whether,if species have a real existence, the individuals composing them have been derived originally from many similar stocks, or each from one only, the descendants of which have spread themselves gradually from a particular point over the habitable lands and waters ? Thirdly, how far the duration of each species of animal and plant is limited by its dependance on certain fluctuating and temporary conditions in the state of the animate and inanimate world? Fourthly,whether there be proofs of the successive extermination of species in the ordinary course of nature, and whether there be any reason for conjecturing that new animals and plants are created from time to time, to supply their place?”
    (Principles of Geology, Charles Lyell, Vol. 2, Chapter 1, pages 1-2, 1832)

    If there were to be any argument of the validity of these “theories”, it would be; “They have been around for a long time, centuries!” That does not make them facts! They have not been “scientifically proven”! Science = observable over time with the same results!

    Up until these theories were published, the information in the Bible of the flood, in the days of Noah held true. As a matter of fact, there was still continental drift taking place. In that time (1800's), it had slowed to a small amount each year. Today there is the fear of ocean levels rising, due to global warming and the melting of glaciers world wide. All of the unbelievers, if willing, can see the photographic proof.
    glacier-melting2.jpg Glacier Melt.jpg
    And, so it goes, as Geologic Time Scale
    http://www.mcz.harvard.edu/Departme...GeologyPage/Geologic Setting/geologictime.htm

    If possible, I will post copies of the original type-written papers published by William F. Libby.
    There are two papers, “History Of Radiocarbon Dating” and “Radiocarbon Dating, Memories and Hopes”. I do not know the publishing dates, as they are not on the papers, and some references are from 1971; XII Nobel Symposium. Ruminations on Radiocarbon Dating. W.F. Libby, Radiocarbon Variations and Absolute Chronology. Edited by Ingrid U, Olsson, Almqvist & Wiksell, Stockholm (1971).

     
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