Completely agree Jan! The "shemitah" however comes from the Talmud. And Jonathan Cahn has weaved it into Evangelical speak with the USA and Nation of Israel. This is the "Cahn"-job.
My main two frameworks: 1) JWs represent the people for Jehovah's name, true Christianity, the ministry is the first phase of the final warning. Then a trampling on JWs as judgment beginning with the house of God, then "prophesy again concerning nations". 2) JWs are a continuation of the same refining which started with Martin Luther #1 seems the most likely to me, because the "Protestant" world are basically just Catholics without the Pope. (daughters of the Harlot) Either way, I think you might still be confused about what I'm saying ISRAEL, the Nation, has NO place in Christian prophesy. (edit: see how easy it is to state an absolute? LOL) However, Romans 11 indicates that Jehovah is not done with Abraham's descendants. (compare to Zechariah 12) Also, since you are a strict literalist, consider that the two witnesses witness in ISRAEL, specifically Jerusalem. If that is the case, why literal Jerusalem? (again, compare to Zechariah 12)
lol Love you brother, love your posts! I'm standing in a parking lot on my phone, so this will be short till I reach a computer. Not all scripture is literal, one must of course determine if said illustration is a metaphor or not, but one must assume literal unless direct evidence to the contrary. The temple, what did it prophecy? Could the true believers be Israel? JW's= courtyard= Israel?
Hi SingleCell: Jesus was simply saying in that expression that up to that time no one, not even himself or any of the other angels but only God, Jehovah "has perceived" the day and the hour. The day and hour can be perceived by mankind, the only trouble is they are too frightened of being called false prophets or whatever. If all those who love God with their whole heart, mind and spirit put their heads together we could have "perceived" that day and hour long ago. Another trouble is understanding it as no one can know releases the person of the responsibility of even trying. He throws up his/her hands and says, "I can't know it anyway, so why try?" I personally don't care what people say about me. I am going to keep on asking, seeking and knocking until I do "perceive" the day and hour. Frank
Couldn't agree more bro! My dad beat it into my head that "there is no stupid question", and "don't worry about looking foolish". Something I thank him for frequently. We're all going to be wrong 99% of the time. Many people are paralyzed by that fact. It's the 1% we're after! (and frankly [pun intended], the pursuit is half the fun anyway) "false prophet" is the MOST overly used accusation in all of Christian history... right next to "apostate" and "heretic". False teacher on the other hand .... well, hello Christendom, and hello prophecy (2 Peter 2)
Aww, no "heart" emoticon <3 The answer is precisely and in no uncertain terms: a trans-dimensional parallel conceptual time-warp intentionally misdirected puzzle for the Holy Spirit to decode. Care to define?
I am not sure what you are saying actually, because in fact the Bible does say "Israel" is all that serve Jehovah. Now if your trying to say the "sons of God/brothers of Christ", these are spoken of separately as "Judah" and the "house of David". Jerusalem is spoken of as the kingdom here on earth, and those whom survive the end. So in fact scripture does call all who believe in Jehovah in the time of the end "Israel" making up both Judah/144k and Jerusalem/New World. Zech 12 7-11 7 “And Jehovah will save the tents of Judah first, so that the beauty of the house of David and the beauty of the inhabitants of Jerusalem may not be too great over Judah. In that day Jehovah will be a defense around the inhabitants of Jerusalem; in that day the one who stumbles among them will be like David, and the house of David like God, like Jehovah’s angel who goes before them. And in that day I will be certain to annihilate all the nations that come against Jerusalem. “I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of favor and supplication, and they will look to the one whom they pierced, and they will wail over him as they would wail over an only son; and they will grieve bitterly over him as they would grieve over a firstborn son. In that day the wailing in Jerusalem will be great, like the wailing at Ha·dad·rim′mon in the Plain of Me·gid′do."
Frank, do you have any idea what it is your saying? Do you have any idea what day he's talking about? What day was Christ talking about?
I plan to do a video on the temple set up by Jehovah and it's prophetic meaning sometime soon. If the courtyard represents JW's, and the holy place the remaining of Christs brothers on earth and the most holy heaven, then who is Jerusalem, who is Israel, are they not those who will live here in the new world? You see, some Jews no doubt will convert while there is time in the end, but how do you quantify an entire nationality in prophecy? Do you say the "race", do you say the religious authorities? There is no way to make a race any part of prophecy, for there is no such thing... Whom ever makes up the courtyard also makes up the identity of Jerusalem.
Interesting points, and no doubt a notable "detour" these last 40 years has formed; and 70 years since they even uttered the first "governing body" peep of a term in 1944. Not saying the 70 is propehcy, just saying those two spans converging into one detoured "generation" is interesting, and notably now stalled, and truly fearful and cloistered into a spiritual crypt of a worldly corporate citadel. One dead body entombed in another.
Good post 4Winds, Good one too Franky, love the stuff about your take on the 40 year thing. I should know, I was a teenager when that 1975 crap hit the fan. Since then, I thought about all kinds of scenarios hitting the Org. Whatever comes about, I would not care to be in their shoes,,, So, as I walk into their KH on Sundays, everybody is laughing & talking with the ones they know, while ignoring obvious strangers, like myself,,,Is it Arrogance to think you are better than they are,,,Wiser?. No, but for me, for some unknown Deep reason, I really feel sorry for these people,,,,, So why do I attend the P/T & the W/T study on Sundays? I was told that these people would need "our help", during the Hard Times. Do you agree? "Oh my goodness, Jehovah has given me the ability to understand it!" Thanx for that Josh, Arrogance is alive & well these days. But I do tell you this, there will be a time soon where we will ALL have a grasp on the Situation, THEN, we can really converse with one another.
Thanks Joshua, I watched the 4 videos, and I appreciate your work you do for Jehovah God. I liked your humble way of presenting your research and the blessing you wish all at the end of your videos. But I have some scriptural questions for you. The constant feature now refers to spiritual sacrifices to Jehovah God. Don't you think it is incorrect to say that in 66 CE it referred to sacrifices to the Roman emperor? And don't you think to make things little more complicated, there existed 2 holy places in a sense in the first centry, first the spiritual temple consisting of the anointed, and secondly the physical temple in Jerusalem? And so today 2 holy places, the spiritual temple consisting of the anointed and the physical places for worship, all the buildings of the WT society dedicated for worship of Jehovah God? If that is the case, in fact I believe that's the correct understanding, then the sanctuary can be prophaned, without affecting the spiritual temple of anointed. That makes sense because during the time the sanctuary is prophaned an other holy place is brought to its right condition. Otherwise how could the holy place be brought to its right condition while it is profaned and as you understand, in the end of that period even the disgusting thing is placed there? Don't you agree that the bible talks about one spiritual holy place and one physical holy place?
Thank you very much for your attention to the videos, it feels good to have another way to serve Jehovah in a capacity that I am able... You are very right, in fact I agree with you, and you make a very good point. I've thought about bringing up that issue, but it would have complicated the video and few would have picked up on it, but in fact it appears although the holy place does represent Christ's brothers remaining we should keep in mind they are still here on earth, and that holy place is here on earth, so therefore not only does the holy place represent the holy ones, it also represents the earth itself, or physical location on earth. Therefore you are correct that when the holy place is brought into it's right condition that this depicts the earth/or location on earth being cleansed of sinful mankind. The constant feature today is the WTS magazine that presents Jehovah's kingdom to mankind, it is a sacrifice for the people of the world. In 66CE that sacrifice to the people of the world was the sacrifices that were ceased for the people of the world. Eleazar Ben Hanniah The sacrifices were not to the Roman people, but for them to Jehovah, hence the WTS magazine's sacrifice/Constant feature. The WTS magazine and society is the constant feature. Keep in mind also Jan, that Dan 9 says there will be a call to rebuild Jerusalem in the time of the end, and this time it will be literal weeks, therefore there will be a new physical location for Jehovah's house. There will be a physical location of worship deep in the time of the end well after the WTS is gone, and this physical location will be where the 8th king will come to destroy the remaining of Christs brothers. Courtyard=Jehovah's organization=Constant feature Holy place=Christs brothers/earth/Place of worship Most Holy=Heaven We have to keep in mind also that Dan 12:11 is the time frame between the two events. This is the only way all of scriptural chronology works. The constant feature is removed then 1290 days later the disgusting thing is placed. This means that the WTS congregations will have been gone for years once the disgusting thing is placed. (In the time of the end) New temple=Christ's brothers=New house of worship=Holy place
No, physical Jerusalem no longer has any meaning in scripture. Jerusalem today is all who worship Jehovah around the world. A new house of God will be built somewhere else in the time of the end.