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    I will study it later when I have time, but that we agree or not, unlike other, I have no reason to leave.
     
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    Well I didn't mean for you to leave silly....lol "If you're still with me" is just a saying, meaning "if your still following my train of thought"... ;)
     
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    Hey Brudder,
    We are in agreement. The “cup” was not the literal cup, or the “contents” in it. That is why he told the apostles that; “. . .Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink?” The answer was “No”, because it wasn’’t either the “cup” or the “contents”. It was the deed which was the sacrifice of his life. They could not do that.
     
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    I would go as far to say that the cup and not the wine were the focus of the metaphor at the last supper, for that was the reason he asked his Father to remove that cup from him, because he wanted to fully do his will by giving up his blood in behalf of men.

    In such a case then grape juice would suffice just as well as wine at a communion, for it is the cup that is the symbol of his blood, and not the contents, wouldn't you say?
     
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    Well, in Matthew Jesus says: “You do not know what you are asking for. Can you drink the cup that I am about to drink?” They said to him: “We can.” He said to them: “You will indeed drink my cup".
     
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    Hi brother, I think Tsaphahs answer was a little deeper then that, that's why I didn't respond in the manner you did.

    I don't want to speak for him, but I'll explain what I think he means.

    His disciples would indeed drink the cup representing his blood, meaning the cup of the covenant with him, and indeed they would give their lives in behalf of their faith.

    Conversely the cup our Lord was about to drink represented his own death in behalf of mankind. Our Lord was to die a perfect man (willingly) in behalf of mankind, while the cup his disciples would drink represented the covenant they were about to enter representing our Lords blood. They would however drink their own cup of death for their faith, but specifically the cup the Lord was speaking about was the covenant. Our Lord connects them showing his disciples would die for their faith, but the cups were metaphorically different.

    Tsaphah certainly correct me if I did not represent your thinking appropriately...
     
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    :) You got it Bro!
     
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    666 coming to your country soon. ( Rev 13:13-17 )

    I experienced one of the signs yesterday. I went to a well known store to buy a present for my wife. It was a small item. Unfortunately the store did not have the particular item in stock. I was told I could order it from their “online” site. Eventually, (40 minutes later) I was told to enter my email address, in order to receive their “discount price”. “Ohh, you want my email address in order to gather more information on me. This will enable them to send me advertising whenever they feel like it. Or, selling MY information to others. (Facebook), (Google), ETC.

    I told them I didn’t have an email address. Well, unfortunately the store could not give me the “discount price” unless I had an email address to receive the “discount coupon”. Really?! I instructed the salesperson to cancel the order. I said, “What will you do when your entire system goes down? There are others who warn of an Electro-Magnetic-Pulse attack on the electric system, which will shut down the entire system.” The salesperson was dumbfounded. I told the salesperson that I would buy the item at another store. Which I did! And, at a better discount! 40% less, vs 20%.:p :)

    That was the first 6 in the number. The second 6 appeared in today’s Washington Post newspaper.

    Supreme Court asked to moot Microsoft case
    Now that Congress has made clear that a U.S. search warrant covers emails stored overseas, the Justice Department on Friday asked the Supreme Court to moot a case involving a data demand issued to Microsoft for a drug suspect’s emails held in Ireland.
    The case, argued in February, centered on whether a U.S. tech firm must comply with a court order to produce emails even if they are stored abroad. The issue was settled March 23, when President Donald Trump* signed the Cloud Act, which requires a “provider of electronic communication service” to comply with such court orders. - WASHINGTON POST

    There are those who do not associate these events with the prophesy. “Who cares what I have in my emails?”, is the usual response. They are either blind to events happening around them, or just stupid.

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    A poem written by German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller.

    “While Niemöller's published 1946 speeches mention Communists, the incurably ill, Jews or Jehovah’s Witnesses (depending on which speech), and people in occupied countries, the 1955 text, a paraphrase by a German professor in an interview, lists communists, socialists, “the schools, the press, the Jews, and so on”, and ends with the Church”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...#Origin

    * Read the history of Hitler. Repeat! What’s that saying? Those who don’t understand history are bound to repeat it!
     
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    I did an interesting study into Hitlers speaking abilities... Did you know he modeled his public speaking after the dramatic arts? He would take photos of himself in various positions mirroring lead vocalists of stage performers.

    As well, most of his speeches were very simple and only touched on generalities.

    Interesting study into crowd mentality...
     
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    I didn't want to start another thread, so I felt te following fits here as necessary to understanding the truth.


    While reading today’s WSJ, there was an article titled “A Message to Millennials From 1899”. It says; “Next time you’re tempted to bemoan millennials as lazy and entitled, take a few minutes to read “A Message to Garcia!” The short essay, published in 1899, achieved mass appeal in the early 20th century. It puts into perspective today’s complaints about America’s youth.”
    I think it applies to all youth today.
    What caught my attention was this sentence: “Hubbard was troubled by ‘the imbecility of the average man-the inability or unwillingness to concentrate on a thing and do it.’”

    imbecility:
    noun, plural imbecilities.
    1. an instance or point of weakness; feebleness; incapability.
    2. stupidity; silliness; absurdity.
    3. an instance of this.
    4. Psychology. (no longer in technical use; considered offensive) the state of being an imbecile.

    imbecile (adj.)
    https://www.etymonline.com/word/imbecile

    OUT of TIME
    When did the English discover the Anglo-Saxons? (A little history of the English language and it’s use in translation of biblical manuscripts.)
    “A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.” - Mark Twain

    https://www.etymonline.com/columns/post/out-of-time
     
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    I had several scriptures, along with some deep understandings about self/soul, but I think I should say this first.

    In the days that the apostles were teaching, there was also the philosophical teachings of Plato and other Greek teachers. “There is nothing new under the sun”. These same teachings are being used today. Paul wrote to Timothy about those who would infiltrate true believers with their rhetoric. Paul’s instructions to those who would minister to others was addressed to Timothy in his first letter. ( 1 Tim 6:3-5 )

    Paul concludes his first letter with this following thought.
    O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called “knowledge”— which some have professed and thus gone astray from the faith.” ( 1 Tim 6:20-21 NASB )

    The same holds true today. There are those who try to sneak in with their rhetoric, thinking to persuade others to believe it. Paul also warned the Galatians about these individuals planting doubtful ideas. ( Ga 2:4-5 )
     
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    The following information may help understand communication between individuals. This is especially important for communicating via written forms. No facial or “body language” involved.

    Framing: The Art of “Spinning” Information
    A frame is a schema of interpretation that individuals rely on to understand events. In framing, specific social and political forces use these unconscious collections of stereotypes to develop rhetorical packaging that encourages certain interpretations and discourages others. It has become especially popular in the US, where it is used by both major political parties. What framing strategies were included in the political memo titled “The 14 Words Never to Use”? https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Framing+(social+sciences)
    :rolleyes:

     
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    Interesting article, I'll have to spend some time with it...

    But to start, there are some interesting points:

    "Successful framing techniques can be used to reduce the ambiguity of intangible topics by contextualizing the information in a way the recipient can connect to what they already know.

    Explanation
    When one seeks to explain an event, the understanding often depends on the frame referred to. If a friend rapidly closes and opens an eye, we will respond very differently depending on whether we attribute this to a purely "physical" frame (she blinked) or to a social frame (she winked).

    Though the former might result from a speck of dust (resulting in an involuntary and not particularly meaningful reaction), the latter would imply a voluntary and meaningful action (to convey humor to an accomplice, for example). Observers will read events seen as purely physical or within a frame of "nature" differently than those seen as occurring with social frames. But we do not look at an event and then "apply" a frame to it. Rather, individuals constantly project into the world around them the interpretive frames that allow them to make sense of it; we only shift frames (or realize that we have habitually applied a frame) when incongruity calls for a frame-shift. In other words, we only become aware of the frames that we always already use when something forces us to replace one frame with another."
     

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