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Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Tsaphah, Jul 17, 2017.

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    I will study it later when I have time, but that we agree or not, unlike other, I have no reason to leave.
     
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    Well I didn't mean for you to leave silly....lol "If you're still with me" is just a saying, meaning "if your still following my train of thought"... ;)
     
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    Hey Brudder,
    We are in agreement. The “cup” was not the literal cup, or the “contents” in it. That is why he told the apostles that; “. . .Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink?” The answer was “No”, because it wasn’’t either the “cup” or the “contents”. It was the deed which was the sacrifice of his life. They could not do that.
     
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    I would go as far to say that the cup and not the wine were the focus of the metaphor at the last supper, for that was the reason he asked his Father to remove that cup from him, because he wanted to fully do his will by giving up his blood in behalf of men.

    In such a case then grape juice would suffice just as well as wine at a communion, for it is the cup that is the symbol of his blood, and not the contents, wouldn't you say?
     
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    Well, in Matthew Jesus says: “You do not know what you are asking for. Can you drink the cup that I am about to drink?” They said to him: “We can.” He said to them: “You will indeed drink my cup".
     
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    Hi brother, I think Tsaphahs answer was a little deeper then that, that's why I didn't respond in the manner you did.

    I don't want to speak for him, but I'll explain what I think he means.

    His disciples would indeed drink the cup representing his blood, meaning the cup of the covenant with him, and indeed they would give their lives in behalf of their faith.

    Conversely the cup our Lord was about to drink represented his own death in behalf of mankind. Our Lord was to die a perfect man (willingly) in behalf of mankind, while the cup his disciples would drink represented the covenant they were about to enter representing our Lords blood. They would however drink their own cup of death for their faith, but specifically the cup the Lord was speaking about was the covenant. Our Lord connects them showing his disciples would die for their faith, but the cups were metaphorically different.

    Tsaphah certainly correct me if I did not represent your thinking appropriately...
     
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    :) You got it Bro!
     
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