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Subliminal images in the Watchtower magazines?

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    Take a look at these photos, I tested the nov 2016 WT out for myself, can confirm these are not "apostate lies".

    You can see the images here: http://watchtowerartsat.blogspot.com/

    I don't think they have been placed here intentionally by someone, but after researching this more, some of these findings cannot be denied, and I believe there may be literal demonic intervention that the watchtower is unaware of, after all, if they can materialize a snake out of thin air (Exodus) and numerous reports of Ouija boards and Satanic Bibles reappearing after being burned, why would something like this be out of the realm of possibility? Coincidentally, I found an article ewatchman wrote regarding this, and he does confirm this as being a practice of the occult. https://e-watchman.com/subliminal-imagery-watchtower-literature/ Now you can call me crazy, but I have witnessed and so has my psychiatrist, Ouija boards moving by their own will, she even said, no one was touching the planchette when she played with one at a party some years ago; so please spare me the lecture about it being imaginary and a human phenomenon.

    MAGIC, WITCHCRAFT AND SPIRITISM: These faces with eyes that look at the reader are what is known (in the highest spheres of European witchcraft and magic) as "Watchers" or "Guardians.” They represent a form of devil’s omnipresence, or omniscience. We will cite as an analog example, the Enochian system of magic (a very dangerous witchcraft system where evil spirits are invoked). In this type of magic, brought to public attention by the doctors and magicians John Dee and Edward Kelly in the 16th century, we find the inclusion of Watchtowers or Guardians (Watchers) like complex evocation designs. The Guardians have their origin in the system of Enochian magic which was revealed to John Dee (who was born on July 13, 1527 and died in 1608) and Edward Kelley. According to Dee's diaries, the two men called an "angel" that Kelley saw in an obsidian mirror; Dee recorded the revelations narrated by Kelley (See the work of Robert Turner, Elizabethan Magic, page 24). The use of the mirror in witchcraft, for the invocation of evil spirits, is well known.

    How do the members of this satanic encrypted cult communicate with each other?

    Easy. They have to obtain the publication (magazine, book, brochure, etc.) and then invoke the “Watcher” (whose face has been hidden in the publication). They just need a mirror, the darkness of night and the right words to invoke the evil spirit. This demon will manifest itself and will announce the message (“the will of Satan”). It doesn’t matter if the members of this cult are in Australia, Spain or Peru. Thousands of kilometers away from Brooklyn Watchtower witches will know exactly what to do.

    A SATANIC ENCRIPTED CULT Taking into account the evidence obtained so far it is clear that the Watchtower art hides one of the most bizarre satanic encrypted cults we've never seen before. Unfortunately, some of the websites and books, which present evidence, seem somewhat hysterical in its approach to the issue. And instead of making a detailed presentation of the facts, they try to persuade the Jehovah's Witnesses to flee the organization.
     
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    I remember seeing an illustration from the "You Can Live Forever In Paradise" book (sorry I don't have the book handy at the moment.)

    This particular part of the book was talking about having high moral standards in our daily life. One point was about the husband and wife rendering to each other, the marital due. In the illustration, the wife is sitting next to a bedside table. A ram's head is pictured as being an ornament on the bedside table. The setting of the illustration is the couple's bedroom.

    I would have thought that in this setting, that there would be a photo of the couple on their wedding day. Or maybe a photo of them and their children. What business does a ram's head have in sitting in a couple's bedroom? It's out of context for the picture, in my personal opinion.

    If there was a Mr Wallflower around, I wouldn't be using a ram's head to set the mood. I don't think that's a romantic move.

    I also noticed that a new edition of "You Can Live Forever In Paradise" was released at a later time. When I turned to the page to find the ram's head illustration, I noticed that it had been deleted and the picture had been modified. That suggests to me, that the original illustration was done intentionally.
     
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    This is an old, old, old subject which first appeared back when Robert had a forum on his site. The whole subject about subliminal messages originated in “1873, “below the threshold” (of consciousness or sensation), formed from Latin stem of sublime (Latin limen, genitive liminis) + -al (1)). Apparently a loan-translation of German unter der Schwelle (des Bewusstseins) “beneath the threshold (of consciousness),” from Johann Friedrich Herbart (1776-1841), author of a textbook on psychology published in 1824. The scare over subliminal advertising came in 1957.

    Give this reasonable thought; if you are below the threshold of consciousness, what does that mean? You are unconscious. Even when asleep, you are conscious. If not, you are dead!

    The original tests for this started with quick flashes of popcorn at theaters. The thought was that a person would unconsciously be influenced to buy popcorn from the concession. It proved false.

    If the picture is supposedly “hidden from the conscious mind”, how is it supposed to influence a person. It would be like looking at cloud formations and seeing one that looked like Mickey Mouse. It has been proven that a person sees what they want to see. Eye witness testimony has been shown to be suspect in some cases. Recently a man was released from a life sentence because the “eye witnesses” picked him from a photo lineup, but it was later proved to be another person who looked like him.

    This also falls into the so-called backward masking on recordings back in the 1980’s. It’s all the north byproduct of a southbound bull. B.S.

     
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    I don't think this is used for mind control, if you read what I pasted from the website, occult members mirror the image and summon the corresponding demon which reveals a message or command for the witch to do.

    Some think occult members have infiltrated the watchtower, I am of the opinion that this may be literal demonic intervention in order to piss on Jehovah's people. Kind of like a mockery.
     
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    Maybe that it was some kind of hidden ads for :

    https://www.ramsheadinn.com/us/new-jersey/weddings-special-events-venue.html

    :p
     
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    Hey Tsaphah...

    Beware about it...!!! You have already been caught red handed being playful about such topics... :p

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    I have no,doubt that Satan has one infliterating org.....he did,it,with Judas..
    Which to me indicates the indiltration will be high up...I have only seen two that I saw myself...the one with Jeuss hand as a claw...forget what book that was....the whole,cong talked about that one...it was blatantly put in there ....also,one I have never spoken of as it seems such a insult to Jesus...I never sent it on or even spoke of it....some one showed me Jesus sitting and talking with people.....it was a memorial invitation....,on the folds of his,clothes was on of a erect penis....it,was,painfully obvious....and definetly there .......other than that I don't see what others see...my face is asymeritical as all of ours are...if I get up in the morning and put a mirror to one sideof my face to reflect just the right side ....I bet I would look like a witch too....
    Satan wants us to dwell on these things and not on the wheat there ...seems he is having great success.as he is a lying sly cunning creature ..if its there....it's him causing trouble...ignore him....
     
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    Yep.......

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    Hi BTW,

    Thank you for your comment about this subject. It has already been broached here at length and since I think that the beauty and the ugliness are more in the eyes of the beholder than on printed paper (although I agree that some examples are troubling), I'll let other members chime in instead but not before directing you to another thread about this topic, which mainly presents my point of view.

    http://e-jw.org/index.php?threads/does-watchtower-literature-contain-subliminal-images.73/

    As Sis Thinking said so aptly, whether such subliminal images were intentional or not, they unfortunately happened to be a huge stumbling block for many...
     
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    Why don't we create a wiki? Instead of relying on the variance of someone linking to a relevant forum post, I think it would be more helpful for outside readers and regular users to read a wiki, which takes them to the forum posts or websites (perimeno, ewatchman) for the selected topic.

    This wiki should be part of the website, it should have it's own tab next to members, media and forums on the top of the page.
     
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    I'm sorry but that's nonsense to me. Just take an oblique straight line in front of a fuzzy background, make a symetric copy of it and tadammm, you get a wicked ram's head to boo at.

    I do think that Satan's snares are way more cunningly conceived and hidden than those supposedly concealed in pictures that nobody cares about and that are only found by people looking for them for a purpose.
     
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    This seems really far fetched. Don't get caught up in all the ludicrous JW conspiracy theories floating around the web.
     
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    This is certainly strange.

    I did see the little faces painted on hands very obvious. The artwork in the paintings is of a very fine quality. If not for WT's talented membership going to New York to live and paint these awesome scenes of Bible events, paradise, etc. there would be FAR FEWER converts.

    I painted commercial works and murals in my career, but never had this kind of talent. I believe the teachings of WT are suspect, and Jesus' instructions have been altered/ erased totally, along with translation alteration. And I can prove it with WT publications themselves.

    How many of these falsehoods are intentional?

    And are Satan and the demons involved?

    If we saw Satan alter the Jewish religion to eliminate YHWH from Bibles, in a multi-century plan, we can know he can and does Christian doctrine; Trinity, Soul, Hellfire, Baptism of Holy Spirit.

    This is what Jesus said would happen when he gave the 'Wheat and Weeds' illustration....a 2000-year-to-unfold machination.

    Maybe we have something so far above our mental capability here that we all are getting fooled, but some of those paintings that have to be turned sideways and upside down? ... I don't know.

    I live in deep-South USA where snakes like a copperhead sometimes will be literally under your foot when walking in leaves. But you will stop mid-stride. You automatically leave your foot off the ground and freeze! As you stare, in about 10 seconds your mind brings the snake into focus, and you back away slowly.
    "I can't believe my sub-conscious mind saw that!"

    It's happened to me three times I can remember.

    I enjoyed the picture presentation, though feel like I've been handling poisonous snakes.
     
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    Eze 8:9 "Go in and see the evil, detestable things that they are doing here.” So I went in and looked, and I saw all sorts of images of creeping things and loathsome beasts and all the disgusting idols of the house of Israel; they were carved on the wall all around."

    Eze 7:20 "They took pride in the beauty of their ornaments, and they made with them their detestable images, their disgusting idols. That is why I will make it an abhorrent thing to them. I will give it into the hand of the foreigners for plunder and to the wicked ones of the earth for spoil, and they will profane it."



     
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    It seems some people just don't listen when I say this isn't subliminal, it isn't meant to activate anything in our minds. It is used to deliver messages between occult members, only those trained, can find them. They are hidden on purpose, and the author of the site I linked you people to, obviously was involved in this before, which is why he was able to sniff it out. I have seen the weak attempts by the apostates, who show the most ridiculous examples (like the ones you posted in your weak attempt to mock me) in order to draw people away from the truth. But these are done on purpose. I have been looking at other images trying to replicate this, it is impossible, the only ones I found that were not listed on this site just happened to be in biblical images, why is that? Why is Joshuastone quoting scriptures saying this would happen? Do you really think Demons are not capable of something like this? They have forced their teachings into the very congregation of God (1914) but demonic faces are impossible? What seems more unlikely, misleading 8 million people and controlling the world or editing images just slightly?

    Have any of you people here ever had demonic encounters? I have, three of them. You think what is depicted in horror movies is fiction, just imaginations of other people? Wrong. One of them spoke to me, I was convinced I was hallucinating, reasoned if I walked through her, I would prove my insanity. As I got closer, she looked at me, glowing in white, in this pitch black room, and demanded I go back to sleep, two children standing next to her, just staring at the wall, not acknowledging me. Terrified, knowing what I was seeing, didn't open my eyes for hours. Then I had another visitor one night, a vampiric like man with red eyes, wolf like teeth, pale skin, black hair and clothing, on the ceiling of my room, staring at me, I stared back until I fell asleep. My final one, again happened while I was sleeping, but this one had my body under complete control, and this time I knew Jehovah. This is what people call sleep paralysis and it is passed off as a phenomenon. This wasn't a chemical reaction, when people have sleep paralysis, they cannot control their bodies no matter how hard they struggle, which is what happened to me, this 7ft witch standing next to me trying to frighten me as I couldn't move, I immediately started calling Jehovah and gained full control of my body. But yeah, some drawing is out of the question, when it is known,it is a practice of the occult.

    My mother dabbled in the occult, brought a spirit medium into our house, the next night the cabinets start opening and closing by themselves, slamming, making the loudest noises, she walks back into her room, and hears the most evil laugh. The following morning, prophecy is fulfilled, an Angel of Light telling her everything will be okay is waiting in her room as she awakens. My best friends were just disfellowshipped for practicing witchcraft and casting money spells, the proof is in the paycheck, biggest one of his life (gf casted the spell). They literally manipulated the systems at tesla to pay him out, but demonic drawings are impossible, right?
     
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    BTW ..no one is mocking you ..please do t think that ..on a personal level I,.do think Satan has infiltrated the society to a degree....I mean the KGB did it In Russia and reached positions of Authority.....why not Satan....if I was him that s what I would do...or use ones who I could influences in some way to do my bidding....none of this is out of the question...
    I have often wondered if we have a warlock or witch amongst us...posing as a good witness....tho how they keep it up I don't know...to much effort for me....I couldn't act that good for so long...
    I feel I'm genuine and being good is hard work,if you ask me!

    My two fleshly sisters who were servants of Jehovah now are professionally involved In The occult..
    My mum used to play the ouji board with us as kids..and we did it a few times as young adults...so I guess our interest In The darker side was awoken early on....tho we didn't know it was the dark side...as I knew nothing of the Bible....didn't even own one...but of course now I know and realize how very fortunate I was....
    I have never experienced whAt you have..nor do I ever wish too...but family members because of their culture are preety heavy into demon control ......
    I have experienced a evil presence in certain rooms at that time of playing the board game...but not since,
    I will look into the scriptures josh has quoted as I know if it happened then it will happen again....history repeating itself...but showing these to ones serves no purpose....if they don't see them then it doesn't effect them...generally I don't see them and I prefer that...because they have then failed to scare or entice me...in fact their attempt has completely failed on me..and I'm safe.
    Jehovah allowed these satanic things once so why not again..but I don't advertise them...only that claw one because the whole cong spoke on it...and I would like to apologize for the other one I mentioned...I shouldn't have done that...it was a insult to Jesus and I made others aware of it...I deeply regret that....it served no purpose....but harm...
    If they communicate amongst themselves with these sorts of things we are not going to stop them.....Jehovah will bring it to an end....I bet we don't know half of what goes on....but rest assured....he will bring it to an end...and it's sacrey to see these things....it just weakens ones faith...amd that is exactly what Satan wants....so you are playing into his hands..just as I did in my earlier post which I could now kick myself for...
    I'll research Joshes comment and get back to you...
     
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    I don't consider it advertising. More of, a method to discredit the Watchtower magazines, as I have been heavily scrutinized by JWs who tell me the magazines are on an even level with the Bible and if you had to chose one over the other, you would be better off with the magazines. This also came from the mouth of the governing body. So my point in sharing it, is mostly for SEO, so that person who is googling Jehovah's Witnesses will see this, and realize that the magazines are just opinions of men, not meant to compliment the Bible with all its disgusting images and false prophecies. I honestly don't even know how people can take the societies literature seriously, the writing department doesn't know what they are talking about, anything related to prophecy written by the watchtower should be thrown out. The rest is good for personal improvement. the basics, pretty much. I disagree that it shouldn't be shared, the truth always needs to come out, even if it stumbles people, for even Jesus asked his apostles if they were stumbled by him, hold nothing back, show no mercy. And if I am wrong, I want someone to prove it to me, with real evidence and examples, not with some stupid photo of a rock and football field.
     
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    "Live For Ever" Book;

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    What message could be in an abstract cloudy demon picture? Wouldn't it just be a demon picture?

    1914 a demonic teaching? Hardly.

    Cyrus takes Babylon 538-539 add a year or two for preparation of materials and trek across country.

    537 BC add back 70 years as Jeremiah's prophecy foretold= 607 BCE add seven times 360=2,520 and 1913 is result. Add one year from 1bce-1 ad= 1914.

    4 horses of Rev 6 miraculously fulfill.

    To me demons had nothing to do with it; God did it all. But I'm sure you don't agree. That's OK.

    Demons are powerful, and maybe those pictures are from them, but I can't show that as proof of anything because I don't go around putting mirrors on hundreds of pictures in many directions, etc. waste of my time....BUT

    I do know false teachings about God, Christ, and some things WT says about Revelation are just hooey, IMO.
     

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