The 8th King is Here!

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    Hi Joshua:

    I warned that you have to read it carefully. The stone that crushes the image will become a large mountain and fill the whole earth as Daniel 7 says about the fourth beast. It will not be the Anglo-American 7th world power that becomes a large mountain and fills the whole earth. Just wait and see who destroys the Anglo Americans and then we will compare notes. It will not be God's Kingdom, but they will make it appear as if it was "fire from the heavens". Revelation 13:13

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    Hi Joshua:

    Jehovah crushes and burns the fourth beast of Daniel 7 not the image.

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    Well in fact I think it says it crushes all of the beasts at once, not just the iron;

    "It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms,"

    "and that it crushed the iron, the copper, the clay, the silver, and the gold."
     
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    I don't believe Anglo-America is the 7th king.

    I believe at this moment that the 8th king is already here.

    And I believe the "fire from heaven" will just be news reports on TV.
     
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    Joshua:

    The kings that are crushed by the kingdom are the 10 kings but only when they come to power with the eighth king of revelation and the fourth king of Daniel 7.

    So, what you are saying is the kingdom crushes the image, comes to power over the whole earth and then says, "oh my, I forgot to do anything with the fourth king of Daniel 7. You have a scriptural contradiction here my brother. You are not reading the scriptures carefully. You are speed reading them and being content with your previous biases. If Rome is the eighth King then where are the 10 kings that rule the last hour with the eighth king? With your chronology of the end beginning in 2018 and ending about 2024 that eighth king will have to rule for about nine more years. Is that what you are saying. If the eighth king is here already and it is Rome, what will the "stone" of the kingdom crush. Who is the seventh king and don't tell me that it has been ruling since 325 CE because that is just outright preposterous.

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    Hi Joshua:

    That's humerus, you gave me a good laugh. But you are permitted to believe whatever you want. Good luck with that one.

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    Again, the Bible clearly says what the stone crushes;

    Dan 2:44 "just as you saw that out of the mountain a stone was cut not by hands, and that it crushed the iron, the copper, the clay, the silver, and the gold."

    The only reason the 10 horns will be part of this is because they give their power to the beast. The beast is made up of all these elements.

    It destroys all of these elements, not just the fourth beast.

    You are the one not understanding what I have written. The stone destroys the image, of which the fourth beast is part. The iron/clay is the fourth beast in Dan 7.

    I completely answered these questions in great detail in post #7, did you not read it at all? It's clear you have not or you wouldn't be asking me if I believe Rome has been ruling since 325CE...
     
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    I knew you would laugh and mock the idea, that's why I said it in such simple terms, so that I could actually show you that in fact it will happen.

    Dan 11:30 “He will go back and hurl denunciations against the holy covenant"

    How would we be aware of the kotn hurling denunciations toward the covenant? Smoke signals, maybe Morse code, or telegraph?

    This is this the moment that starts the end and correlates to the first trumpet and the fire from heaven by the false prophet.

    Rev 8:7 "The first one blew his trumpet. And there was hail and fire mingled with blood, and it was hurled to the earth;"

    Rev 13:13 "And it performs great signs, even making fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the sight of mankind."

    So to finish up, how would we be aware of the WTS going down? How would we be aware of the MOL being revealed? How would we be aware of the one world power coming to be or the 10 horns handing their kingdoms over? Mentally telepathy, an angel whispering in our ears, or perhaps will the TV play a role in bringing us late breaking news of current affairs?

    You laugh, but my answer couldn't have been more simple...
     
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    Please explain how you discard the fact that Dan 2 clearly says the stone will fill the earth and will stand for ever...
     
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    Hi Joshua:

    I do not discard anything, you don't read with discernment or you force scriptures where they do not belong.

    “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom+ that will never be destroyed.+ And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people.+ It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms,+ and it alone will stand forever,


    The red letter passage is your assignment. What exactly in detail do those five words mean? PLease stay on subjedt, do not move to something else

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    Honestly Joshua:

    That explanation about 325CE being associated with period of 2520 from the tower of babel was quite entertaining but lacking even the most remote scriptural backing. You should give it some production time with eye catching color charts and music and put it out on youtube where it belongs along with all the other Catholic Church rises from the dust to be the iron and the clay of Daniel 2. Precious indeed. Maybe the fourth beast of Daniel 7 is the ottoman empire. I have seen many youtube videos expousing that concept and truly those seem more scriptural than this nonsense you are spouting now.

    It's clear from Daniel 7 that the fourth beast rises right at the very end, not 17 or 1800 years from the end. The fourth beast is not her yet but it's presence is just around the corner. Once the anglo americans finish themselves off in a fafe suicidle destructive blow and show of fire from the heavens. Then and only then will the fourth beast rise out of the worldwide chaos.

    You are trying to place square pieces into round holes. When will you admit that they don't fit and look for a square hole?

    Tell me again that the fourth beast of Daniel 7 is here already and tell me who it is, so I have no confusion!



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    Hi Joshua:

    This is clearly just you distorting the intended meaning of the writing of God's Holy Word to fit your weak and sickly argument. You do understand that often God's Word is not written in a linear fashion where one occurrence comes right after the previous occurrence mentioned, right. He uses temporal displacements in his writing all the time. Revelation is filled with them. Verse 44 of Daniel 2 is an example of that. He moves from the destruction of the image in verse 43 to the destruction of the fourth beast of Daniel 7 in verse 44. He does this all throughout the Bible.

    I can hold a conversation with another person or persons where there are two or three subjects being spoken about and I rarely get lost which conversation is currently being discussed and what subject of that specific conversation is being discussed at the moment. You probably can too. Well, Jehovah is not different. He wrote the whole Bible and sometimes it skips around within the same scriptures it is talking about two distinctly different things. You are just not picking that up because you are busy defending an old stale piece of bread from the worn out harlot of the Watchtower.

    The fourth beast of Daniel is a distinctly different beast and is no part of the image of Daniel 2. You cannot let that stand. Not because the statement is not true, but because it serves as a dilemma for you. If the fourth beast of Daniel 7 is a future beastly government that rises up "after" the destruction of the image, then I will be in a pickle cause the Kingdom of God will not cover the whole earth right after it destroy the image of Daniel 2. This is the contradiction that you have. The only way that you can deal with it is to say it is part of the image of Daniel 2 when clearly it has absolutely no part in that image and you and everyone else on this board know it too.

    The beast of Daniel 7 is yet to come. When it does come you will not have to question whether it is that beast. It will be trampling the entire earth.

    “After this I kept watching in the visions of the night, and I saw a fourth beast, fearsome and terrifying and unusually strong, and it had large iron teeth. It was devouring and crushing, and what was left it trampled down with its feet.+ It was different from all the other beasts that were prior to it, and it had ten horns. [The beasts before it had from 1-4 horns, or kings, this one has ten] {See any ten kinged governments around lately trampling down whatever it wanted?] [SUP]8 [/SUP] While I considered the horns, look! another horn, a small one,+ came up among them, [has this happened yet with your fourth beast of Daniel 7? If not, when can we expect it?] and three of the first horns were plucked up from before it. And look! there were eyes like human eyes in this horn, and there was a mouth speaking arrogantly.*+ [Is this the Pope?] Daniel 7

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    Okay, if you say so...

    Yea, okay...

    John must have been lying to us then;

    Rev 17:10 "Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet arrived;"

    Sir, sir, Dan 7 is a mirror of Dan 2... The iron of Dan 2 is Rome, and the fourth beast in Dan 7 is Rome, that's not even anything anyone else is debating...lol
     
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    lol... The fourth beast was Rome...

    Don't worry Frank, you win, I'm not interested in going on about this... Waist of time.
     
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    i agree!

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    Rev 18:11 "“Also, the merchants of the earth are weeping and mourning over her, because there is no one to buy their full cargo anymore,"

    It's interesting this scripture above's connection to a scripture in Rev 13;

    Rev 13:17 "and that nobody can buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name."

    The reason this is, is because the merchants are weeping over the downfall of the Babylon/Great Harlot, and it is that Harlot that is part of the beast that marks those with the number of its name of 666.

    What if the merchants are metaphors and as well the cargo. If I'm right and the women is the Vatican, then the merchants could be the priests all around the world. That would make the buying and selling that of their religious practices of tithing, and spiritual works.

    Therefore the connection of the carbon atom with it's 6 protons, 6 neutrons and 6 electrons connect directly to the ash Catholics use in their worship on their foreheads, it also being a mans number for we were originally created by God out of carbon.

    I believe it's quite possible those merchants that will regret the fall of the Vatican will be those priests all around the world that will lose their finances as they dry up.

    It's the same as in Babylon of old, so will it be in the end. When Israel was taken to Babylon as captives they were told to worship the image 60 cubits high and 6 wide, and if they did not they would be thrown in the fire.

    It is the same now, Babylon/Great Harlot demands her followers to be marked by this carbon atom in the Ash celebration, and once the true bride is sent into the wilderness for 1260 days they will also have to stand just as those three brothers did in the face of oppression as described in Dan 3.

    What appears to be happening is, some in the GB of the WTS believe in the trinity, and have some connection to the Vatican, and this relationship will one day be exposed. This seems to be indicated in the first bowl, first trumpet, and the fire let lose by the second beast of Rev 13.
     
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    Hi Joshua:

    I havn't heard from you in a while. Thanks for that, it was quite entertaining.
     
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    Regardless if carbon has anything to do with the 666, I believe there is a direct connection between the merchants of Rev 18 buying and selling to that of those buying and selling in Rev 13....

    As for the 666, no ones come up with a satisfactory answer, so why not speculate... ;)
     
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    Hi Joshua:

    I think in your zeal to get something to fit you are possibly trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, and it will not fit. Revelation 18 is speaking about the "merchants" not having an outlet to sell their goods to Babylon the Great. Revelation 13 is clearly a proclamation by the beast in power at the time that will flush out anyone who will put love for their brother ahead their own possible punishment which may even be death [they have taken the mark and therefore are in a position to help someone who has not, Christ's brothers] . This is "the hour of test" that Jehovah mentions to the Messenger of the Congregation of Philadelphia in Rev. 3, a test that that Messenger and possibly his whole congregation will be spared from having to suffer.

    This is a test of "LOVE". When confronted with the choice of helping someone in need (Christ's brother) when there is a strong possibility that you will be punished with the severest of punishments, what will you do? Will your love for your brother surpass your love for self preservation. There are some who at this point in time lack faith in God, but they are loving people. This act of love could be their saving grace in the time of the end. Jesus said that if they showed this type of love for his brothers at that time that it would be the same as if they showed that love to him and he will place them on his right hand. Faith is one of the highest qualities that you can have but love, especially under those circumstances surpasses faith.

    Now, however, these three remain: faith, hope, love; but the greatest of these is love.+ 1 Cor. 13:13 Showing love, especially under such a harsh test is of more value to God than even simple faith. You can have faith in silence, but love for others has to be shown outwardly and can be punished under such a test.

    "Because you kept the word about my endurance,*+ I will also keep you from the hour of test,+ which is to come upon the entire inhabited earth, to put to the test those dwelling on the earth." Revelation 3: 10

    Remember, Jesus has many "brothers" by covenant. In the Jewish world the term brother extended from father to son to grandson etc. Jesus is not only brother to the anointed who will be is Bride, but of all those exercising faith in him and his Father by covenant rather than by genetic offspring.

    Now, however, these three remain: faith, hope, love; but the greatest of these is love.+ 1 Cor. 13; 13

    Revelation 13 is different, it is talking about "all people".


    Revelation 13: 16,17

    It puts under compulsion all people—the small and the great, the rich and the poor, the free and the slaves— [not just merchants] that these should be marked on their right hand or on their forehead,+ 17 and that nobody can buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name+ of the wild beast or the number of its name.+
     
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    Of course, but I'm sure there are many things we don't agree on as it pertains to details.

    Such as I believe BTG is the death stroke that is healed in Rev 13, and I also believe BTG is that healed Tower of Babel.

    So yea, not any real reason to argue finer points when we don't see major eye to eye, but that's okay brother. We will see the fulfillment one day soon...

    So therefore I believe BTG is also part of the second beast and that BTG set's the image just like in Dan 3, and the merchants are the priests in the Vatican selling there preaching work for money... The buying and selling is religious, not material items...

    But that's just me...
     

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