The Antichrist!

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    In the days of those kings ...

    (specifically, Rome and it's derivative Iron-Clay feet and toes)


    the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed.

    And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people.

    It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever,

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    God brought Syria into Israel, and the "northerner" is called by Jehovah is a punishing agent - so I'm with you there.

    I would be on board with the idea that this is the 8th king if it weren't for that last line.

    Regardless, I completely agree that we're headed for a Satanic global system!
     
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    Holy Rome came out of the "sea" though didn't it?

    And that view, at least partially, invalidates what is the likely identification of the Harlot riding on TOP of the beast.

    I'll watch the vid tomorrow!
     
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    I'm posting too much ....

    What if:

    The two horned lamb-dragon are the king of the north and king of the south?

    US - UK semi-partnership-conspiracy-background-dealings-enemies-global-matrix for 200 years.

    Fits with the motif of Daniel 11.

    And both in a position to support / cause to worship / perform signs for the 1st beast "Western European" hegemony expressed through the UN when the banking system collapses, ending Bretton Woods.

    Outcome:

    UN hegemony enforced by 2nd beast military and the "mouth" of Babylon expressed from the EU social justice "humanism" movement opposed to God. Marxism unwittingly embraced globally.

    The global financial system coordinated from Europe / America to "stabilize" the world and bring "peace and security".

    The only way to get there is financial collapse and war.
     
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    Hence the healing, once healed it comes from the abyss.

    First it originally comes from the sea, then after it receives the death stroke it comes from the abyss/earth.
     
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    Good reasoning

    No problem with that statement at all...Essentially this is what that old gentleman was saying...History is full of such allegiances and they are all for the benefit of a few. This is money resources..........you name it. They are all very much in "accord". I do not see the feet of the statue suddenly meaning "internal problems" which I have heard at talks and even read in articles. I have seen retraction on this statement as well, implying "agreements" between super powers that are fragile...then back to the good old "internal problems" again. Yes, this is an Anglo- American system. They are one and the same....and France is in there too, ........to do some of the really dirty work...
     
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    You know me SingleCell, I once argued much the same thing, until I stepped back and looked at this whole issue in a new light. So let's take out the names of any countries after Rome, and let's only discuss the entities as they are named in scripture.

    The problem with these prophecies are that there is too much room to impose ones own understanding. So therefore when looking at this problem again, I basically wanted to allow scripture to interpret itself as much as possible before implying any personal understanding.

    And this is why I say if we are to allow scripture to interpret itself as far as possible then Dan 2 and Dan 7 and as well Rev 13 must be mirrors of each other. There is no way Jehovah would have used the same beasts of Dan 7 and Rev 13 had he not also used the iron/clay and fourth beast/little horn.

    We know the four beasts of Dan 7 coincide with the 2nd chapter, mirroring all 5 entities. So why not Rev 13? If we just let the same pattern apply to Rev 13 then the second beast with the two horns must be the iron/clay of Dan 2 and the fierce beast and little horn of Dan 7.

    Regardless of what you think those entities are, this must be the simplest understanding and as far as I'm concerned without that step one has lost every understanding after...

    Now we know John in Rev 17 said the one that "is" was number 6/Rome. That means the iron of Dan 2 and the fourth beast in Dan 7 are Rome.

    Now the iron in Dan 2 survives all the way to the end. Would not the simplest understanding be that Rome is alive in the time of the end? If we are trying not to impose our own understanding and just taking each step laid out in scripture, is this not the case?

    Now let's take the clay/7th power out out of the equation at the moment. Since the first beast in Rev 13 mentions Babylon/Lion and Media-Persia/Bear and Leopard/Greece, then that means Rome must be one of the two horns of the second beast, right? That's if we allow scripture to explain itself.

    Therefore it must be concluded that at least Rome was one head that had the death stroke, and since the second beast has a second horn and they both come from the earth, that must mean both the 6th and the 7th come from the earth/death stroke. and these are those healed, simply because Dan 2 says the iron/clay survives down till Gods kingdom crushes them, so they must come back from the abyss in order for that to occur.

    Now who is the second horn? We don't even have to name it, let's use scripture. The second horn must be the clay in Dan 2, and it must also be the little horn in Dan 7. We know from both of those chapters that the clay/little horn joins itself to Rome and it's at that point the 7th world power comes to be. Rome is the 6th, then when the clay mixes with the iron they become the 7th.

    So therefore "again" if we allow scripture to explain itself then the second beast in Rev 13 is the 7th head of the first beast that has the healed death stroke and comes up from the abyss/earth.

    Again keep in mind the iron/clay is hit by Gods kingdom, so iron/clay has to exist in the end, and we know Rome is one of them.

    We should also note that Babylon is also alive in the time of the end, because she is the harlot. Now here we have proof of two entities alive in the time of the end after we know they were destroyed. So therefore, who is the second beast in Rev 13? It must be Rome/Babylon.

    Haven't you ever wondered why the 8th king is not in the image of Dan 2? It's not there is it? It's because John tells us in Rev 17 that when the death stroke is healed on the first beast of Rev 13 with 7 heads it becomes the 8th king. Haven't you ever wondered why the first beast doesn't have 8 heads? It's because the 7th head is healed and it becomes the 8th when it is healed. This is why Dan 2 can have the iron/clay living when Jehovah's kingdom crushes it, and this is also why we can have a death stroke healed by one of the 7 heads in Rev 13 without there being an 8th head, and this is also why the first beast in Rev 13 can become the 8th king for it comes from the 7, it being the seventh head itself, Rome/Babylon.
     
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    I can see that Joshua, it's makes a lot of sense.

    The problem (imo) is BTG being the clay, because of the attribute problem and relative position of reach when comparing the two:

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    And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay,

    so the kingdom will be partly strong and partly fragile.

    Just as you saw iron mixed with soft clay, they will be mixed with the people;

    but they will not stick together, one to the other, just as iron does not mix with clay.

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    Compare to BTG:

    The seven heads mean seven mountains, where the woman sits on top...

    And the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.

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    The clay is a component of the iron-clay empire 6th -> 7th -> 8th head.

    It's the "people", which seems to reference anti-authoritarian government in comparison to the authoritarian iron.

    (which coincides with history, empire has always dominated man, until the "clay" combined with Rome -- the republican-parliamentary system we live in today)

    On top of those 7 and 8 kingdoms, is the woman, acting as a separate entity controlling those heads. (for a time at least)

    The 7th-8th king destroy her.
     
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    SingleCell, I probably shouldn't have added that part of the post discussing Babylon, because I really wanted that post to be about scriptural consistency with the three chapters, and adding that bit about Babylon stepped away from that, because the reason I feel that way is a whole other subject.

    However I hope you considered the comparison between the three chapters, because to me it appears that is the only way to understand the second beast of Rev 13, and that it must be the iron/clay, and fourth beast/little horn.

    I agree with you that it seems the two forms of rule are made up of the kotn and kots. There seems no way around the fact that the north is the oligarchy rule and the south the republic.

    The overstep I see is when someone says the clay is the republic. Yes it says the clay is made up of the people, but so is an oligarchy rule. The EU is run by individuals and groups of individuals. One can not say that "made up of people" means a republic government, nor an oligarchy for that matter. The evidence in scripture just doesn't exist.

    The only real differences between the EU and US are very slight, and this isn't the way Jehovah works in Prophecy.

    The clay must be a nation, just like the others, first and foremost, regardless of the kind of rule. Therefore when one first looks at it you must ask not only what nation, but what form of government. (Of course)

    Is this a point where we must apply our own understanding where the Bible no longer offers definition? My first thought is to make 100% sure of that before implying ones own thought. Because you have to admit that saying the clay is republic rule is a guess, and not found in scripture. So can scripture tell us what the clay is emphatically?

    It could just as well stand for mans will. Dust/clay etc, has always been synonymous of the will of man, against God. So shouldn't that be the first thing one would think of? Just like the "earth" idea that it is unpopulated area, this also (IMO) is a step outside scripture and represents an interpretation. Nothing wrong with that, we all do it, but this is the goal to understand this book, it's to let it explain itself as long as possible and hopefully we never have to imply our own understanding. Yes we must given your example of the 6th head that "is" John mentions in Rev 17, however we have the history of this nation in Daniel, therefore it is not outside scripture, such as the USA interpretation would be. As a third party observer I would just ask you look at it once, twice, and a third time to verify 100% that the clay is a republic rule above any other ideas.

    Like I said, every nation and every rule is ruled by men. Rome had a senate of many men that ruled the nation, there is no difference in the US, it has a senate ruled by men. I would say this is not enough for Jehovah to apply this to prophecy. This isn't how the first beasts were identified, and no where else in scripture does Jehovah imply different forms of rule. It only seems to concern itself with the oligarchy form of rule that was attempted at the tower of Babel and that this has always been the goal of Satan since the flood.

    We need to keep in mind Mth 12:26 "In the same way, if Satan expels Satan, he has become divided against himself; how, then, will his kingdom stand?" This scripture tells us that both the iron and clay must be part of Satan's plan, and cannot be on the losing end of the last battle between the north and south in Dan 11:40. The iron/clay must represent Satan's desire of a one world government and since it lives down to Gods kingdom that means it cannot include the US, because in order for the 8th king to become the one world order the USA must no longer exist at some point, but Dan 2 says the iron/clay survives all the way to the end, therefore the US cannot be one of them.

    Prophecy is about constancy as you know. So what if we were to take your understanding that the clay represents man. What in reality is the will of the people? Didn't Jehovah have to confuse their language at the tower of Babel because they wanted to stay in one place and build a world order in defiance to Jehovah? Hasn't scripture always told us that this is the will of people? Hasn't the history of the Jews shown that they continually disobeyed God to go after their own desires? I would say the people/clay represents that world domination against Jehovah's will, and this is not the US.

    I would say that I believe we don't need to apply our own understanding even at this point, that scripture can still explain itself in this matter as well. The clay/people must represent the will of man against Jehovah's will, just as it's always represented from Adam and Eve from dust to dust, to the tower of Babel, to Rome, and on and on...

    Rather then a new form of government attaching itself to Rome the Bible would seem to tell us that what ever the clay that combines itself to the iron it must share the idea of world domination by man going back to the events at the tower. The reason they don't stick together must be another reason other then two different forms of rule, because again this also is not supported anywhere. I could into that, but another time.

    If you haven't watched the video in the first post I highly recommend you do, you will get a lot out of it!

    The US cannot be part of the iron/clay, it cannot be part of the fourth beast/little horn, and it cannot be part of the second beast in Rev 13 because the US and "republic rule" will not survive down till Gods kingdom crushes it, because the 8th king "One World Order" will be in charge, and it is this that is destroyed by Gods kingdom in Dan 2.
     
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    Careful of absolute statements like that.

    It's a risky thing to claim to have and absolute truth per the bible. Why? Because so much is relative to the individuals capacity to understand and apply their understandings. Hence the bible shows a change over thousands of years from laws that meant death in the OT, to softer and kinder approaches by example of Christ in the NT. We are not up to the task of comprehending all that is in the bible and making such blanket statements.:confused:

    "Is there an absolute moral truth? This is probably one of the biggest sticking points I have with organised religion.

    Personally I believe that ethics is relativistic and evolutionary. Certain moral codes survive and become more ingrained because they facilitate a successful society. Altruism is a positive survival trait. I realise this will be seen as hard and unfeeling but I see it as just the way it is. Does the 'fact' that my love for my wife comes from the genetic desire to breed detract from the fact that it's the most wonderful thing I know? Not in my eyes.
    Furthermore, I am very suspicious of anyone who claims to know of an absolute moral truth. Far too many atrocities have been committed by those with god on their side. The KKK sees it as an absolute truth that the white race is superior - and use the bible to justify it. Some Christians put their children at risk by refusing blood transfusions because their absolute moral truth is that taking blood is wrong. Some Christians tell me that some of my friends, people whom I consider caring and sharing, morally 'good' by my compass, will, according to their 'absolute moral truth', burn for eternity in hell because their partner of choice has the same gender. The rampant spread of AIDS in sub Saharan Africa isn't helped by the teaching of the 'absolute moral truth' that using condoms is wrong."
    Very sorry not to have supplied the authors name to the above paragraphs.
    :rolleyes:
     
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    Nice discussion on "absolute" is found here. It's not too snotty, have a general read

    I found this site to be an interesting read. Of course you will always get your arrogant would be philosophers having a go at bending others with excessive wordiness. Even that is interesting..
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Debate:Absolute_truth#Reductio_ad_absurdum
     
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    I disagree with the prepositional assumptions they make :)

    Is there absolute moral truth? I believe there is, and is the very core concept found in the Bible.

    Absolute moral truth is established by Jehovah, and illustrated in the form of a tree of knowledge of good and bad.

    So, it seems to me, the OT laws are perfect in intention - to expose the problem of sin, which leads to death. They are also perfect in moral application.

    Adultery, covetousness, etc, leads to death by extrapolation.

    However, Jehovah through his son is showing us the pathway towards a sin free world, and it's not by humans judging other humans against a moral law, but sacrifice and forgiveness which lifts EVERYONE up over time.

    Yet, that moral law MUST exist. These complexities are lost against the ABSOLUTIST reasoning of the philosophers in your link :)

    By saying there is no absolute moral law they are SAYING there is ABSOLUTE moral law by the lack of such absolute. In other words, they are saying that absolute moral law is relative moral law.

    Which was basically Satan's intention in tricking Adam and Eve: convince them that absolute moral law is relative to the individual. The outcome of that thinking is our world today.


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    That said Bristolmaid, now that I just relived my college experience reading that link :)

    The point about the Bible speaking in absolutes was this: When Isaiah said that the smoke from Ancient Babylon would "ascend forever", he didn't mean in an absolute sense "forever".

    So it's up to us the reader to understand what is being SAID, not what is written via direct application. Does that make sense?
     
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    Hello Frank.
    Help me to be sure that I understand what you are saying:

    The stone is not Jehovah's kingdom as we have always understand? The stone is cut by Satan and demons and became a worldwide domination? Do I understand well?
    Since 2 days I'm reading, reading and reading again Daniel 2:44, not only in English, but in French and in Italian, and I can not see how it is possible. Maybe I should try another language.
    “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever, just as you saw that out of the mountain a stone was cut not by hands, and that it crushed the iron, the copper, the clay, the silver, and the gold."

    The kingdom of the God of Heaven (I read Jehovah) will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever.

    How can you say that the stone is cut by Satan? I am really confused. Can you explain me better?
     
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    Hi Baruq:

    You are trying to overcome a mind set that you have had for some time. The Holy Spirit is throwing a curve ball? Does a baseball metaphor lose it's power to a frenchman? Don't know how much you know about baseball and pitching a ball. Anyway, you have felt this way for a long time.

    “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom+ that will never be destroyed.+ And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people.+ It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms,+ and it alone will stand forever,+ [SUP]45 [/SUP] just as you saw that out of the mountain a stone was cut not by hands, and that it crushed the iron, the copper, the clay, the silver, and the gold.+ The Grand God has made known to the king what will happen in the future.+ The dream is true, and its interpretation is trustworthy.â€￾ Daniel 2

    Answer a few questions first. Does the scripture ever say the "stone" is God's Kingdom? No, it does not, we "assume" that. What does the expression "In the days of those Kings" mean? it's very important to the meaning of this scripture. Does it mean the "kings" represented by the image? It hardly could because they are first of all dead and they do not have even one "time" in common. "in the days of those kings", who are the kings?

    So, if "the God of heaven" does NOT set up a Kingdom until after the image is destroyed by the stone, there is at least a chance that it is NOT saying that the Kingdom of God is the stone destroying the image. It clearly will be destroying "those kings", but again who are they?

    The image in Daniel 2 is a run of man-made kingdoms over God's people starting with Babylon as the head and ending with Anglo-America as it's feet. Another question, is the "kingdom of God" set up right after the destruction of the image (the seventh king) or is it set up immediately after the destruction of the 4th beast from Daniel 7?

    "After this I kept watching in the visions of the night, and I saw a fourth beast, fearsome and terrifying and unusually strong, and it had large iron teeth. It was devouring and crushing, and what was left it trampled down with its feet.+ It was different from all the other beasts that were prior to it, and it had ten horns. [SUP]8 [/SUP] While I considered the horns, look! another horn, a small one,+ came up among them, and three of the first horns were plucked up from before it. And look! there were eyes like human eyes in this horn, and there was a mouth speaking arrogantly.*+" Daniel 7: 7,8

    This is a very different type of beast as Daniel points out. Can't turn the underline off, tried and failed multiple times. This beast is not a continuation of the image of Daniel 2 beastly rulers. No, this is a completely new type of beast. The movers and shakers behind this beast are the ones that "destroyed" the image of Daniel 2. They had to clear away the old system with it's nation states dominated by one central power from Babylon to Anglo America. THIS IS A NEW TYPE OF BEAST, THE 8TH BEAST, IT IS A WORLDWIDE RULER WITH NO PRETENSES. It is the stone "not cut by hands" because it was cut by the demons who are now on earth as men, they were cast from the heavens and cannot again enter the heavens because they are no longer angelic but are human. Being human though, they choose to inhabit the bodies of the "powerful" ones of the earth as they take over their bodies. They are behind the plot to destroy the image of Daniel 2, and after they do, their mountaiin which comes from the "stone" grows to cover the whole planet in tyrannical rule. But only for a short time.


    Where do the 10 horns come from? The image of Daniel 2, no that image is already destroyed by the stone "not cut with hands".

    The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast.
    13 These have one thought, so they give their power and authority to the wild beast. [SUP]14 [/SUP] These will battle with the Lamb,+ but because he is Lord of lords and King of kings,+ the Lamb will conquer them.+ Also, those with him who are called and chosen and faithful will do so.â€￾+ Revelation 17

    So, you see, "in the days of those kings" is not talking about the destruction of the image in Daniel 2, that is the "curve ball". "In the days of those kings" is during the time of the 4th beast of Daniel 7 and they are the ones (collectively) as a part of the 4th beast of Daniel that do battle with the lamb. How does that work out for the 10 kings?

    Look at verse 14 again of REv. 17... "but because he is Lord of lords and King of kings the lamb will conquer THEM (the 10 kings along with the whole #4 beast of Daniel 7, that's who the kingdom of God destroys, the beast #4 of Daniel 7, NOT the image of Daniel 2.

    Daniel 7:23-26 says..."“This is what he said: ‘As for the fourth beast, there is a fourth kingdom that will come to be on the earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms, and it will devour all the earth (the stone devours the whole earth after destroying the image of Daniel 2)and will trample it down and crush it.
    + [SUP]24 [/SUP] As for the ten horns, ten kings will rise up out of that kingdom; and still another one will rise up after them, and he will be different from the first ones, and he will humiliate three kings.+ [SUP]25 [/SUP] He will speak words against the Most High,+ and he will continually harass the holy ones of the Supreme One. He will intend to change times and law, and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.*+ [SUP]26 [/SUP] But the Court sat, and they took away his rulership, in order to annihilate him and to destroy him completely.+

    Clearly, it is the 4th beast of Daniel 7 that destroys the image of Daniel in chapter 2. The stone is cut out of the mountain of man's rulership, no where does it say that the stone is cut out of the mountain of God.

    Also, clearly it is the 4th beast of Daniel 7 that God's Kingdom crushes (look at the end of verse 23 above in red.

    So, now read Daniel 2 again and see if you can pick up the subtlety of the Holy Spirit as it teaches us what will happen.

    “In the days of those kings
    (10 kings of REv. 17, 4th beast of Daniel 7) the God of heaven will set up a kingdom
    + that will never be destroyed.+ And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people.+ It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, (the 10 kingdoms of the worldwide 4th beast of Daniel 7)+ and it alone will stand forever,+ [SUP]45 [/SUP] just as you saw that out of the mountain a stone was cut not by hands, and that it crushed the iron, the copper, the clay, the silver, and the gold.+ The Grand God has made known to the king what will happen in the future.+ The dream is true, and its interpretation is trustworthy.â€￾

    Or, just as you saw the demons destroy the nation state system and set up their own worldwide beast, so the Kingdom will crush these kings as you saw quoted in Daniel 7, verse 23 where it actually says "crushes them".

    So, when you see Anglo America get crushed, you can be sure that the "crushing" of the 4th beast of Daniel is not far behind.

    Sorry about the formatting, but I could not change it on my end.

    Hope that is more understandable. It can't be any other way and still hold true to the scriptures.

    When I was typing this the whole thing was underlined and I could not get back to black type.

    Frank
     
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    Sorry, I don't know nothing about baseball.
    I have to think carefully about what you write. I have brains boil. What caused me trouble was:just as you saw that out of the mountain a stone was cut not by hands.
    Thank you.
     
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    Frank, your premise again is self interpretation. Why is it you do not see your imposing your own understanding into the prophecy and refuse to let the scriptures explain themselves? Has Jehovah simply blinded your eyes? (With all do respect)

    The scriptures "DO" call the stone Gods kingdom without a doubt. I'm sure you would like me to show you, right? Keep your eye on the ball!

    Dan 2:30 "just as you saw that out of the mountain a stone was cut not by hands, and that it crushed the iron, the copper, the clay, the silver, and the gold."

    Now did you catch the key word there I wanted you to focus on? "IT" okay? Now who does the scripture mean by "IT"? Well it means the stone cut out without hands right? Yes because it's in the same sentence, it doesn't even start a new sentence, the "IT" is the stone that crushes the image that the scripture was just talking about.

    Now let's keep watching the ball!

    Dan 2:44 “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever,"

    There's that "IT" again! What could that "IT" be? Well it tells us, "it alone will stand forever" so it will stand forever? Whatever "IT" is, it stands forever. Hmmm what is "IT" then????? "the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed." Ah, there we have it, "IT" is Gods kingdom! That's what we call in Kansas City Royals terms, a home run...

    Now you keep asking around to everyone, "What does Christ mean by "In the days of those kings?". You keep asking everyone to answer who are the kings it talks about...

    Well let me do just that;

    It just so happens he was just talking about them the sentence before. The same way you figure out who "IT" is, you also figure out who the "Kings" are by who he was just talking about, and that is the iron and clay. Specifically when Jehovah sets up his kingdom it will smash the iron and the clay!

    Dan 2:42 "And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom will be partly strong and partly fragile."

    With all do respect brother, it's okay to admit when we are wrong and start over, I have many times.
     
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    Hi Josh:

    With all due respect brother that is one of the stupidest explanations I have ever heard. You should be embarrassed to have said it. I spelled it out for you in the simplest terms but you have eyes but don't see and ears but don't hear.

    You are dead asleep under the spell of your own delusional brilliance.

    Frank
     
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    That's strange, I'm blind because I and everyone else on here that has commented to you says the stone stands for ever. If me and everyone else reads the stone lasts for ever, what does that mean, you are the only one who sees it? Honestly tell me...

    Dan 2:30 "just as you saw that out of the mountain a stone was cut not by hands, and that it crushed the iron, the copper, the clay, the silver, and the gold."

    Dan 2:44 “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever,"

    I must be totally blind, and everyone else who reads these scriptures must be blind as well.
     
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    josh:
    just keep saying the same stupid things over and over hoping they will finally sound intelligent. You never gave a reasonable explanation of who the bible is speaking about when it says in the days of those kings, who are "those kings" Josh?

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    I did very clearly, it's very simple, it's the iron and the clay, he was just talking about them... They are "those kings".

    I guess we all are the stupid ones, because we all are saying the same thing, your the only one that is not.
     
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    http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/7-wa...was-a-perfect-type-of-the-biblical-antichrist

    Here I found an interesting application to an anti type for the last Anti-Christ, namely Adolf Hitler.

    Then there is a copy of Hitlers ID card and it reads on that webpage:
    What you are looking at is a photo of the actual ID card issued to Adolf Hitler for his membership in the National Socialist, or Nazi party, in 1920. Pay close attention to his ID card number, 555. Ring any bells?

    Interesting that the party gave him the number 555, so the next final Anti-Christ should fittingly have the number 666.

    And I find so many similarities between the personalities of Hitler and Trump. And I am not the only one saying it.
     

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