Who are the Demons? They are not the angels who came to Earth and took the daughters of man. No, these are chained away in darkness until the last day. They are not ghost of dead humans, these are asleep in death…who are these creatures we call Demons? The sons of the angels who came to earth had offspring’s with the human daughters of man. These were the Giants. Their DNA was not 100% human. These were very dangerous creatures. In the book of Enoch we read, “When man was unable to further feed the Giants, the Giants ate the men. Native Americans have the same legends of these Giants…they would eat the Native Americans who had to fight, and kill these Giants. Being only part human, when the Giants died during the flood, what became of their part that was not human, the part that was angel? This part lived on in spirit form. Enoch called them, “The Watchers.â€￾ Jesus had dealings with these Watchers when he removed several from a man, and sent them into a herd of pigs. These are living creatures. They are still dangerous. These giants also had offspring's…a DNA seed that was not 100% human. Did this seed get through the flood? That is another story.

Who do you think the Demons are?

 

Maybe you are correct, and maybe you are not: Is there a scripture or two that hints Jehovah did not want the book of Enoch to be known as inspired? Enoch is in the bible in four places:

Genesis 5:24 "And Enoch kept walking with the true God. Then he was no more, for God took him."

Luke 3:37 "Enoch."

Heb 11:5 "By faith Enoch was transferred so as not to see death, and he was nowhere to be found because God had transferred him, for before his transference he had the witness that had pleased God well."

Jude14 "Yes, the seventh one (in line) from Adam, Enoch prophesied also regarding them, when he said: "Look! Jehovah came with his Holy myriads. to execute judgment against all, and to convict all the ungodly concerning all their ungodly deeds that they did in an ungodly way, and concerning all the shocking things that ungodly sinners spoke against him."

Maybe the people who made the scrolls into a book form, did not like what Jehovah had Enoch write. Long before Jehovah destroyed the world with water, and named the man who would live, God had Enoch write down all that took place before the great Flood, and how that system would end.
Jehovah loved Enoch so much, he did not even let him die...The followers of Jesus used the scrolls of Enoch?

 

The Bible speaks about the watchers but they are considered as faithful angels, even holy ones :

"“‘I continued beholding in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, look! a watcher, even a holy one, coming down from the heavens themselves." - Daniel 4:13

"By the decree of watchers the thing is, and [by] the saying of holy ones the request is, to the intent that people living may know that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind and that to the one whom he wants to, he gives it and he sets up over it even the lowliest one of mankind.â€" - Daniel 4:17

WATCHER

(XXXX*, wakeing), a class of angelic beings mentioned in the description of Nebuchadnezzar's dream (Dan 4:13-17). The Chaldeans appear to have believed that God had delegated the moral government of the earth to celestial spirits, who had the charge of making inquisition into human actions, and punishing the guilty. See ANGEL.

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WATCH

III. Watcher. — The Aram. 'îr occurs in Dan 4:13,17,23 (Matt 10; 14; 20). The term has been connected to the Phoen. spy smym, "watcher of heaven" (the Zœphasemin of Philo Byblius preserved in Eusebius Praep. ev. i.10), but this inference seems unlikely. Today most commentators assume 'îr is related to the Hebrew root 'wr, "be awake" (cf. Judg 5:12; Ps 7:6 [MT :7 ]), hence the understanding "watcher." The cognates Ugar. 'r and Akk. êru support this meaning.

In the OT these watchers are celestial beings; they descend from heaven and are probably equated with the "holy ones" (Dan 4:13). Elsewhere in the OT "holy ones" (XXXXX) refers to God's angels (Job 5:1; 15:15; Ps 89:5,7 [MT :6 :8 ]; Dan 8:13; Zech 14:5; see ANGEL ). The watchers are servants of the Most High, possess a certain joint authority to speak the decrees of God, and apparently form a heavenly council who listen to God's word and then act as divine messengers to bring these commands and revelations to human beings (Dan 4:17). Some see the watchers as a special classification of angels who are agents and supervisors employed by God as He controls governments, perhaps even involved in decision making and the execution of decrees that affect world affairs (C. E Dickason, Angels: Elect and Evil [1975], p. 59).

Intertestamental literature describes the watchers with considerably more detail. According to the pseudepigraphic book of 1 Enoch the watchers were angels who fell from heaven and changed the order of their nature by lusting after and fornicating with women, thus corrupting the sons of men and prompting the great flood (1 En. 10:8-10 ; 12:4 ; 15:9 ; cf. T. Naph. 3:5 ; Gen 6:1-8). Part of Enoch's ministry was to reprimand and pronounce judgment on the eternal watchers (1 En. 1:5 ; 10:15 ; 12:2 ; 13:10 ; 14:1, 3 ; cf. 39:12 f; 40:2 ). The book of Jubilees affirms this identification of the heavenly watchers (Jub. 4:15 , 22 ), and adds that the watchers violated the law of their ordinances when they lusted after women (7:21 ), their polygamous relationships with women produced monstrous offspring, and they practiced forms of astrology (8:3 ; cf. T. Reub. 5:6 ). The Qumrân literature contains similar accounts of these watchers (cf. CD 2:17-19; 1 QapGen, 2 :1).

While the precise meaning and exact etymology of Hebr. XXX remain uncertain, the origin of the concept of angels as "watchers" or "wakeful ones" proves even more difficult to trace. According to Gaster (IDB, IV, 806) the sleeplessness of celestial beings was a common belief in the ancient world, documented of the Vedic Adityas (Rig Veda II, 27:9), of the Persian Mithra (Yasht 10:7) and Ahuramazda (Videvdat 19.20), and of the Greek Zeus (Sophocles, Oedipus at Colonus, 702; although T. F. Glasson, Greek Influence in Jewish Eschatology [1961], p. 69, found it in Greek literature as early as Hesiod). Given the acknowledged indebtedness of Jewish angelology to Zoroastrianism, Gaster suggested that the OT here reproduces a yet unidentified Persian expression. Others relate the watchers to the seven Amesha Spentas of Zoroastrianism, a type of guardian angel (see A. Lacocque, Book of Daniel [Eng. tr. 1979], pp. 78 f; cf. A. Barnes, Notes on the OT: Daniel, [repr. 1950], 1, 251 f).

But one need not go outside Judaism for the origin of the concept since the biblical idea of heavenly beings who watch the earth appears to have originated in Babylon (Ezek 1:15-20; cf. Midr. Gen. Rabbah 48; T.B. Rosh ha-shanah 24 b, where according to tradition the names of angels were brought to Palestine by Jews from Babylon). The possible influence of Babylonian religious teachings notwithstanding, Ezekiel's vision of a God who has the capacity to see everywhere became a theological necessity for Israelite captives exiled far from the covenant land. Indeed, it is possible these angels may be mere reflectors of Yahweh Himself. He is the keeper of Israel who never slumbers nor sleeps (Ps 121:4), and the One whose eyes range throughout the whole earth (Zech 1:10; 3:9; 4:10).

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ANGEL

4.) The prophetic office begins with Samuel, and immediately angelic guidance is withheld, except when needed by the prophets themselves (1 Kings 19:5; 2 Kings 6:17). During the prophetic and kingly period angels are spoken of only (as noticed above) as ministers of God in the operations of nature. But in the captivity, when the Jews were in the presence of foreign nations, each claiming its tutelary deity, then to the prophets Daniel and Zechariah angels are revealed in a fresh light, as watching, not only over Jerusalem, but also over, heathen kingdoms, under the providence, and to work out the designs, of the Lord. (See Zechariah passim, and Dan 4:13,23; 10:10,13,20,21, etc.) In the whole period they, as truly as the prophets and kings, are God's ministers, watching over the national life of the subjects of the Great King. (See Heigel, De angelofoederis, Jen. 1660.)

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WATCHER

(woch'-er) (Aramaic 'ir, "wakeful one"): In Nebuchadnezzar's dream (Dan 4:13,17,23 (MT 10,14,20)) a messenger who with "a holy one" descended from heaven, they having joint authority to issue decrees. In the apocryphal literature the doctrine of the "watchers" is much elaborated. In Jubilees they are regarded as angels sent to instruct mankind in righteousness. In Enoch they sometimes appear as archangels and at other times as fallen angels. In the latter condition only we find them in the Book of Adam and Eve. The place of descent was according to En 6:6 the summit of Mt. Hermon.

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Yes I have studied those scriptures…Watcher are spirit creatures. The demons are not those sent to Earth by God to help, or protect humans. It is the Demons who are bad. If they were good spirits send by God, Jesus would have never taken them out of a human, and injected them into pigs. The book of Enoch has these also as watchers. I guess it is a matter of, “Is the book of Enoch inspired of God?â€￾
See the thread “Who are the Demons.â€￾

 

Maybe that among the demons, there are former watchers, which is why Enoch (or whoever else who wrote that book) calls them as such, just like there must be former cherubs or seraphim. However, I don't think that there is more to see in it than this.

 

There is nothing in the scriptures that says other angels rebelled, and left heaven to be on earth. The Demons can not be angels from Heaven...Yes the demons are also called watchers, unless one rejects the book of Enoch. If God loved Enoch so much, why would his scrolls be rejected?
I don't understand why you don't think there is more to in it than this? Having bad spirit creatures that can go into people is a big thing.
But that's just my feeling on the subject.

 

" what became of their part that was not human"

I've been asking myself that question for years....

 

Since we're on this subject, let me ask...It is a fact that the Giants were only partially human...some where probably had more of a "spirit component" than others. So obviously they were not completely destroyed during the flood. Is the spirit component still with us today roaming around somewhere?

Frank, any thoughts on this?

 

I'm glad you asked Frank this question...there is more parts to the question. Animals always died, that is how Adam knew what death was. Humans were not designed to die. When this not 100% seed was injected into the human line, Humans also died. Adam and Eve did not have the seed in their DNA...they died at a judgment from God. If God had not put a judgment on Adam and Eve, they would not have died. The rest of us die because we have some of that seed. Here is something you can Google: Homosexuality in animals. That is an animal thing. The human family is infected with seed that is not 100% human. That is what Jesus came to change. When Jesus died, he had a perfect human DNA. If he had children, they would not have died. That un-born human race was given for this one. Here is a medical fact: It takes up to three days for a mans seed to die, after the man dies. That is why Jesus had to be dead for three days. ( It was only 2.5 days, put the Jews call a half day a full day.)

 

Thousands of Giant human like skeletons have been found worldwide. Many museums around the world have these bones on display.
Such bones used to also be displayed in the USA, but all were removed in the 1950’s.
They have two rows of teeth, six fingers on each hand, and six toes on each foot. Most have red hair. They range from 8 feet tall to 39 feet tall. Human skulls have a seam on the top running from front to back. The skulls of the giants have a seam running from the left to the right side. Would you say the skull in the picture looks human? Some people have said, “There are tribes that bind the head to make it look longer.â€￾ That is true, but binding the head does not change the seam line direction on the skull nor add a finger to the hand, a toe to the foot, or two rows of teeth.

 

Hows it going, Big Bro.

When was the last time you heard of a human being with the measurements of 14 feet long and 6 feet wide or about 4 meters long and 1.8 meters wide?

Or when was the latest news report you heard of a human whos father is an angel?

 

So are you saying the DNA of the children who were fathered by the fallen anges were 100% Human? If youre saying "Yes" can you please explain how you reached that conclusion?

 

If all these bones are a hoax, and no bones have been found, that would be strange because these things have been, and are being found daily around the world. Does that also mean Genesis is a hoax? It talks about the Giants. Were the Giants in Genesis boneless? I would have no fear of a boneless Giant. it would be like a giant jellyfish out of water.

joshuastone7...do you reject the scriptures when they speak of Giants? Either the scriptures are a hoax, or there were Giants..and Giants would also have bones.