It's a matter of deduction. If you have angels materializing human males, they are made up of matter that is native to this universe. If they passed on something to female's (as we know they did) then that sperm was physical matter. So the women would have had human children. Were these hybrids something more then human? No, that would mean you had demons creating immortal beings that were evil. Nothing, and I do mean nothing that has ever been created was created evil, every creation was created perfect. There was no new angels created when fallen angels had children with women, they were human children, all be it large in size (or some say the original word means evil, or fallen) but none the less, human... Like I told Domenic, I work with a guy that's 7 feet tall, and another guy 5 foot, who appears to be a giant over the other? As well the word does not have to mean "giants" it also means "evil or fallen" meaning fallen from right standards.
You see Gabe, Domenic's arguments come from a source outside the Bible. Just like a book similar to the gospel of Judas and the gospel of Mary, should we put our trust in sources not part of the Bible? Or should we start believing these books too? Then where does it stop????????? I say no thank you... I believe in the power of God, and his ability to present to us a complete work in that of the Bible!
Josh, You keep saying sources outside of the bible prove nothing. It was sources outside the bible that proved there was a world flood. Sources from outside the bible have proven many scriptures to be true. As to the Giant bones, here is true DNA result from outside the bible. On all my post, you make claim, "This is false, that is a hoax, this is not in the bible. etc, etc. You make these claims but never show any proof of what you say...Why is that? There is a project called, The Starchild Project. They claim the bones are very different from human bones. The two best present DNA labs are unable to get a true DNA reading. They claim DNA methods must first advance to a higher level. They have put the bones in deep freeze awaiting invention of more advanced methods of DNA. These guys are the best of the best, and all they can say at this point is, “Their not human bones?†Latest DNA Tests Prove That the Starchild Skull is... humansarefree.com/2011/06/dna-proof...skull-is-alien.htmlCached The Starchild Skull is a 900-year-old human-like bone skull ... Skull" by Lloyd Pye). ... DNA (mtDNA) has now proven to be alien then the story of ...
I don't care what sciences say outside the Bible, they don't need to prove the Bible to me, Jehovah's spirit in my heart does that. Besides, most secular sciences disagree with the flood story, so I listen to them argue back and forth through documentaries and videos as well as articles online, but in the end I don't care what any of them have to say, the events are recorded in the Bible. You should trust in the Bible instead of constantly looking outside it to find truth, in my opinion. LOL.... Give you proof something doesn't exist? That's like proving Santa Claus doesn't exist or the Easter Bunny! lol... The burden of proof doesn't lie with the non-existent theory, it lies with someone who claims it exists...lol Science fiction is fun to watch on tv, but I live in reality. Let's see what happens when you enter "Starchild Skull" into a search; The very first thing that pops up is WikiPedia, and what does it say? PAGE HERE; "The Starchild skull is an abnormal human skull allegedly found in Mexico that was claimed to be the product of extraterrestrial-human breeding or genetic manipulation. Mitochondrial DNA recovered from the skull has established it as human.[1][2] Neurologist Steven Novella believes it to be the skull of a child who died as a result of congenital hydrocephalus." Hmm, no mystery, no aliens or demons, just plain old congenital hydrocephalus. "Neurologist Steven Novella of Yale University Medical School says that the cranium exhibits all of the characteristics of a child who has died as a result of congenital hydrocephalus, and the cranial deformations were the result of accumulations of cerebrospinal fluid within the skull.[1][2]" And then how about those DNA tests? No mystery here either; DNA testing in 1999 at BOLD (Bureau of Legal Dentistry), a forensic DNA lab in Vancouver, British Columbia found standard X and Y chromosomes in two samples taken from the skull, "conclusive evidence that the child was not only human (and male), but both of his parents must have been human as well, for each must have contributed one of the human sex chromosomes."[2] "Further DNA testing in 2003 at Trace Genetics, which specializes in extracting DNA from ancient samples, isolated mitochondrial DNA from both recovered skulls. The child belongs to haplogroup C. Since mitochondrial DNA is inherited exclusively from the mother, it makes it possible to trace the offspring's maternal lineage. The DNA test therefore confirmed that the child's mother was a Haplogroup C human female. However, the adult female found with the child belonged to haplogroup A. Both haplotypes are characteristic Native American haplogroups, but the different haplogroup for each skull indicates that the adult female was not the child's mother.[1]" You know what Domenic? You would make a better Mormon then anything, and I don't mean that negatively, I'm just saying they believe all of this alien influence outside DNA influence crap too...
Hi Domenic, Sorry if I was unclear in my previous answer. I didn't say that other angels had rebelled after the Flood. I said that there may have been watchers too among the renegade angels before the Flood, along with cherubs and seraphim. The watchers being a class of angels, there is no reason to think that faithful angels aren't watchers, and all the more so if the Bible says so. If watcher is a position only, there is no reason either to discard the idea that cherubs or seraphim can be watchers too. The demons aren't watchers only since as per Ez. 28:14, Satan himself may be a cherub. I consider the book of Enoch as an interesting read on "historical" grounds only. I started reading it once but I stopped after a couple of pages because I was bored. It's just my opinion but this book really lacks the depth and the style we all recognize when we read the Bible. I don't think that there is more to see in it because after the watchers stopped "watching", they became demons and that's it. Bad spirit creatures that can go into people are just demons. I said former cherubs/seraphim/watchers in my previous post because I saw it as a title and position in God's heavenly organization but I may be wrong on that one. Interestingly, as far as I remember, the Bible never says what kind of angels all or some demons in particular were. They're just demons. As for the rest regarding the DNA, the strange skulls and the giant skeletons, unless you provide a real scientific article about it all, I'll keep thinking that it is sheer hoax, as I usually do.
Utuna, and Josh, you have your own way of believing. You reject science, yet Jehovah is the great scientist. The only aliens I believe in are heavenly spirits. The star skull science believes is alien from a different world...that is their misunderstanding, not mine. I agree with them on one thing, the skull is not human. You both claim to believe in the bible. I believe in the scrolls the bible was taken from. God had men write the scrolls, yet you two believe more in mans translation of the scroll. (the bible.) I have many bibles...none match the scrolls. One of my KJ even has 5 words spelled wrong on the first page. You two will always reject anything that does not match your own view of scripture. You two are so far off base it's funny. If you have not figured out why there are so few members on this forum, let me be the first to tell you...Nobody believe your theories on what the scriptures are saying.
Josh your comments really surprises me. If Im not mistaken, even the Watchtower hold the view that there were giants roaming the earth in the days of Noah which is probably one of the reasons as to why Jehovah made it rain so much as to cover even the highest mountain...to ensure that the giants were wiped out. a big flood would have killed killed all the normal folk, but the water would be only ankle deep to the giants. Why so Dogmatic? I think you made a few interesting statements that are worthy of consideration such as the sperm that was transferred from a materialized angel to a female egg would have had to be physical material that was from this realm....therefore making the nephilim 100% human. Then why call them "Hybrids"? The bible is clear...there were giants in the earth. these things were giants in sin, giants in strength. giants in intellect. giants in SIZE. No doubt they likely had supernatural abilities endowed upon them from their angelic fathers. Given to them through DNA or taught to them Whatever the case...the bible makes it clear...the children of the Nephilim were not normal by any means.
[h=3]Alien Mummified Finger ( 13.8 Inches) Found In...[/h] www.ufosightingsdaily.com/2012/03/alien-mummified-finger...Cached Alien Mummified Finger (13.8 Inches) Found In Egypt, 6 Photos, March 2012 Paranormal News. When they say Alien, it is because they don't believe in the bible. A 13.8 inch finger did not come from normal human. If the finger is 13.8 inches long, what size person would that come from? Twenty, thirty feet tall? The pictures of the two skulls I posted on this thread, one human, the other giant shows a difference. Human skulls have a seam on the top running from front to back. All the giant (hoax..lol) skulls , the seam is running from left to right. The bone is thicker than human, and they have two rows of teeth. Whoever is doing this grate hoax has to be over 200 years old, and has done it world wide, even in the deep jungles of south American, and the deserts of Africa, China, France, Canada, Mexico Russia, Alaska, Iceland, England...etc. This hoax guy is good. He has also made giant foot prints in stone, and now a mummified 13.8 inch finger...I wonder how he did that?
Hi Domenic, I don't share Josh's views about science. We've had tons of heated debates Josh and I about science, creationism, dinosaurs and whatnot. Please, don't muddle up everything. I've begged for years on this forum and/or elsewhere that people with whom I discuss provide at last sensible and reliable sources of information, just like I just did again with you about the DNA, the weird skulls and some other oddities. Please, make sure that you really know your interlocutor before making any ad hominem comments. I'm a science, astronomy, physics, biology, psychology, linguistic, history and archeology buff and regarding the latter, please let me tell you that I already read a handful of articles about those skulls, written by real scientists and there is nothing not human in those skulls. Anyway... Love you bro ! May Jehovah, our dear heavenly Father, bless your search for the truth....
Come on, this stuff is too easy... Here, I'll give you the origin of that finger! lol Everyone's always out for their 5 minutes of fame for some reason. Present photos of the tomb with the wrapped finger undisturbed where it laid. Present actual authorities or public records that speak of it or have written of it. All this is, is a guy that had a gorilla finger and wanted to progress his giant theory, they do it all the time with Biblical artifacts, nothing new.
The word "Nephilim" never had the meaning of size, here is the actual translation taken from WikiPedia: "The Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon gives the meaning of Nephilim as "giants".[1] Many suggested interpretations are based on the assumption that the word is a derivative of Hebrew verbal root n-ph-l "fall". Robert Baker Girdlestone [2] argued the word comes from the Hiphil causative stem, implying that the Nephilim are to be perceived as "those that cause others to fall down". Adam Clarke took it as a perfect participle, "fallen", "apostates". Ronald Hendel states that it is a passive form "ones who have fallen", equivalent grammatically to paqid "one who is appointed" (i.e., overseer), asir, "one who is bound", (i.e., prisoner) etc.[3][4] According to the Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon, the basic etymology of the word Nephilim is "dub[ious]", and various suggested interpretations are "all very precarious".[5] The majority of ancient biblical versions, including the Septuagint, Theodotion, Latin Vulgate, Samaritan Targum, Targum Onkelos and Targum Neofiti, interpret the word to mean "giants".[6] Symmachus translates it as "the violent ones"[7][8][9] and Aquila's translation has been interpreted to mean either "the fallen ones"[7] or "the ones falling [upon their enemies]".[9][10]" It really only means "those who fall on their enemies". Although I'm not opposed to them being taller. 6 foot, 7 foot maybe 8? Okay fine, but 20 foot 30 foot like some on here claim, please.... There is no evidence and there never will be, unless you just can't separate yourself from science fiction. Anyway, the original Hebrew word did not meaning anything to do with size.
I would like you to do one thing real quick. Type in body deformities into your search browser and press enter, now what do you see?
Josh, I dont have the brain cells you have to put up a decent argument. Im just glad you didnt tell me I would make a great Mormon! LOL, We will have to agree to disagree. Love ya bro, Haha!
There is a big difference between giants, and deformities. You just think you have it all figured out, and the whole world is a hoax. You have never proven anything you have said. I don't see how you have stayed a JW? You don't match any religion on earth, you don't believe in science. To you everything that has been found is a hoax...etc. Here is a truth you can take to the bank. Yes people can bind heads and make them longer...but, they can't add bone material, and they can't change the direction of the seam on top of the head, nor add two rows of teeth. Yeah, yeah I know everything is a hoax. Your rejection of everything is not making you look like you know what you're talking about?
I saw the word demon and had to come l.o.l. but I remember somewhere in the Bible someone said let the giants not return. the apocryphal legends say their were horrific monstrous giants that could pick up a man and eat him! and Greek mythology has plenty of those story's Polyphemus and cyclops and such. I have no trouble believing that their were giants I won't swear to the authenticity of the 17 ft men purportedly found as skeletons but I'm not going to say its not possible.
You are sadly mistaken (as always), I am an avid quantum theorist and enjoy the argument between string theory and non-dimensional ideas. I believe the universe is flat. I believe black holes along with the universe are infinite. I believe in what can be proven and seen, and guess what, both of those are what you get when you do the math. You see I believe in what is most simple unless otherwise proven. I believe in archaeology and history, both some of my favorite subjects. I believe in micro evolution and not macro, I believe Einstein was right on large scales, and I believe its possible M-Theory can explain the small, maybe... It hasn't been proven yet. You see, again, I approach the world like I do the Bible. I believe the most simple of understandings until something more substantial can be explained without a doubt. You are a horrible debater, character attacks don't make you right.
That was a good one huh? Well it's true, they believe in that other worldly junk and angels infecting humanity and man being gods... Anyway, luv you bro, no doubt...
I won't mention the name here, because he is an ultra-false-teacher. But there was a gentlemen in the 90's whose teaching has become the foundation for the 'youtube' obsession with Nephilim, Giants, "Rephaim", man-gods, etc. Ultimately leading to the rejection of Jehovah, the simplicity in Christ. Blending Enuma Elish and the Summerian tablets with the Bible. (actually, preferring the ancient Babylonian writings to the Bible as the 'authentic' narrative) In my opinion, this was setup as an ultimate psyop for those interested in the deep things of the scriptures. Eventually leading to the revealing of the 'Archons' as aliens who planted man here as seeds. And once accepted, the journey to the dark-side will be complete; seeing YHWH as a false God. --------- Believing there is 'hidden knowledge' rather than what Jehovah coordinated into the Bible, and the basic ethical duty towards God and man through Christ is a faith-killer. Why? Because you'll obsess over 'hidden knowledge' and ignore the truth, which is actually quite simple. Maybe it was just me though I do see the fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy in this, that knowledge would be abundant, but they wouldn't find the truth. At one point I realized I was 'witnessing' about nonsense, and returned to the basics of Acts 17, much to my own benefit. --------- Of course, there is hidden knowledge, but it's revealed in the Bible -- and had the nations known it, as Paul stated, they would not have killed Christ! Perhaps this is too skeptical of an opinion, there are demons, and they are doing 'stuff'.
You shouldn't jump to your own conclusions before digging in deeper to see if you could be mistaken. In just five minutes of searching online I've found research that the sutures in skulls can vary greatly depending on the conditions in the individual; Also, here is a list from Wikipedia of different types of sutures; Primarily visible from the side (norma lateralis)[edit] Coronal suture - between the frontal and parietal bones Lambdoid suture - between the parietal and occipital bones and continuous with the occipitomastoid suture Occipitomastoid suture - between the occipital and temporal bones and continuous with the lambdoid suture Parietomastoid suture Sphenofrontal suture Sphenoparietal suture Sphenosquamosal suture Sphenozygomatic suture Squamosal suture - between the parietal and the temporal bone Zygomaticotemporal suture Zygomaticofrontal suture Primarily visible from front (norma frontalis) or above (norma verticalis)[edit] Frontal suture / Metopic suture - between the two frontal bones, prior to the fusion of the two into a single bone Sagittal suture - along the midline, between parietal bones Primarily visible from below (norma basalis) or inside[edit] Frontoethmoidal suture Petrosquamous suture Sphenoethmoidal suture Sphenopetrosal suture How about that two rows of teeth thing, anything special about it? It's called Hyperdontia, and there is nothing special about it, it's quite common; Nothing special, nothing out of what is just another admorality in the world, no aliens, no angels, no demons... What about Wikipedia, what does it say about Hyperdontia? Supernumerary teeth can be classified by shape and by position. The shapes include the following: Supplemental (where the tooth has a normal shape for the teeth in that series); Tuberculate (also called barrel shaped); Conical (also called peg shaped); Compound odontoma (multiple small tooth-like forms); Complex odontoma (a disorganized mass of dental tissue)[1] When classified by position, a supernumerary tooth may be referred to as a mesiodens, a paramolar, or a distomolar.[1] The most common supernumerary tooth is a mesiodens, which is a malformed, peg-like tooth that occurs between the maxillary central incisors. Fourth and fifth molars that form behind the third molars are another kind of supernumerary teeth. [2] Causes[edit] There is evidence of hereditary factors along with some evidence of environmental factors leading to this condition. Hyperdontia is rare in people with no other associated diseases or syndromes.[3] Many supernumerary teeth never erupt, but they may delay eruption of nearby teeth or cause other dental or orthodontic problems.[4][5] Molar-type extra teeth are the rarest form. Dental X-rays are often used to diagnose hyperdontia. It is suggested that supernumerary teeth develop from a second tooth bud arising from the dental lamina near the regular tooth bud or possibly from splitting the regular tooth bud itself. Supernumerary teeth in deciduous (baby) teeth are less common than in permanent teeth. Related conditions[edit] A similar condition is hypodontia, in which there are fewer than the usual number of teeth. Hyperdontia is seen in a number of disorders, including Gardner's syndrome and cleidocranial dysostosis, where multiple supernumerary teeth are seen that are usually impacted. I may not know what I'm talking about, but I'm pretty sure the professionals I just posted do...