actually I have read a number of "textbooks" in the field of psychology. was on a six month waiting list for a few research books on paedophilia after the divorce and a number in the field of psychoanalysis (also have family who have pursued the field) in addition to the numerous "self help" books that were so prevalent in the 70's , since the human personality continues to fascinate me ...and the studies in nature versus nurture ... I'm already positive I would like the book , but it is not available in English at this time ...(not like I don't have enough in my plate so to speak) and was teasing about the full translation ( not like you don't have enough on your own plate) OOOOO's
I just did a "Google search on "The Fear and the Fault", with quote marks, and here is what came up. Now how about that? [h=3]The Fear And The Fault[/h]e-jw.org/showthread.php?527-The-Fear-And-The-Fault Oct 12, 2013 - I intend here to make a summary of a great book written by Eugen Drewermann and entitled The Fear and the Fault. It was originally written in ... [h=3]Last 7 Days - Activity Stream - e-Jehovah's Witnesses: A ...[/h]e-jw.org/activity.php?time=week&show=all&sortby=recent Poetry of Providence replied to a thread The Fear And The Fault in General Discussions. actually I have read a number of "textbooks" in the field of psychology. [h=3]Activity Stream - e-Jehovah's Witnesses: A Place for ...[/h]e-jw.org/ Poetry of Providence replied to a thread The Fear And The Fault in General Discussions. actually I have read a number of "textbooks" in the field of psychology. [HR][/HR] Good ol' Google!
Yeah, Google's wicked bots are crawling and sprawling everywhere.... They are quite efficient because whenever I need to retrieve an old post, it's quicker through Google than even the search feature of this forum. lol The original title of the book is : Psychoanalyse und Moraltheologie, t. I, Angst und Schuld
Here is why I like his work : Source For Drewermann, genuine religion is the free expression of the individual. Herman Hesse is for him a model of standing up for your own truth against external pressures. Drewermann's polemic against the Catholic Church, often criticized for being extreme and hurtful, can be understood as protecting the freedom of the individual against the oppressive claim of the institution to represent divine truth. Every religious institution that, like the Catholic Church, claims to represent God… doesn't really want people's freedom. Quite the opposite. It steals freedom from the soul and enslaves it through its divinized institutions. ..There is a bundle of infallible dogmas. All you have to do is repeat them, and you can't go wrong. There is a sack of commandments and if you follow them, you are pardoned and justified, or so we're supposed to believe. And the whole difficulty of a personally lived existence doesn't arise, the very idea is forbidden. If that's the way it is, the confrontation of "Church or Couch" is unavoidable. Psychotherapie und Religion – zwei mogliche Wege auf der Such nach Sinn. Lecture at Basler Psychotherapietagen 2000. p 9 The idea that religion consists of a set of beliefs that you agree to intellectually is a fundamental distortion, only plausible because we live in one-sidedly intellectual times. We think that human beings consist of intellect and will, ignoring all the complexity that psychotherapy uncovers. I don't like the concept of knowledge-centered religion and the polar thinking frame of mind as promoted by the WT and even by many of its detractors. I do believe that faith isn't just a question of agreeing with dogmas but that it calls to something way deeper into our soul, our human nature and that's why his books ring many bells in me. Jehovah is aware of all of this too and that's why, in my opinion, he doesn't tell us the Truth plainly. It is to make us understand that the Truth isn't just a question of knowledge and that nobody can pretend detaining the Truth or having Faith without starting grasping such higher levels of understanding.
Source Religion is a counter to a merciless world of survival of the fittest. People today tend to identify religion with morality or ethics, but for Drewermann, these come too late to really help. Religion, particularly of the Christian variety, is therapeutic and aims to strengthen them from within rather than make demands on them from without.
"For this is what the love of God means, that we observe his commandments; and yet his commandments are not burdensome, 4 because everything that has been born from God conquers the world. And this is the conquest that has conquered the world, our faith." - 1 John 5:3-4 Here is why I dislike so much when the verse above is quoted during meetings but troncated of its 4th verse[SUP]#[/SUP]. Yes, his commandments are not burdensome but the reason for it isn't because they were given us for our own good. If they aren't burdensome, it's because we have faith. Faith has conquered the world, that is, has conquered everything that impedes us from obeying his commandments. Love is what drives us to be obedient and faith makes those commandments easier to observe. This verse is often quoted as if Jehovah's commandments weren't burdensome because we love him and because, in the end, they're for our own good. That's not what the whole verse says. In accordance with the point of this thread, we mustn't work on ourselves so as to observe God's commandments because they are for our own good, as if such a goal was a question of willpower, admitting that the commandments are, in the end, not burdensome. From a human/fleshly point of view, God's commandments are burdensome. Willpower is not enough. We must work on our faith, deep inside our heart, and this will enable us to conquer the world and we'll, eventually, find God's commandments not burdensome. ...aims to strengthen them from within rather than make demands on them from without. # *** w11 11/1 p. 21 Fulfilling Our Obligation to God *** “Keep his commandments.†Fear of God moves us to obey him. It makes sense to give Jehovah our obedience. As our Maker, he knows the best way for us to live, just as a manufacturer knows the best way to use its product. In addition, Jehovah has our best interests at heart. He wants us to be happy, and his requirements are designed to promote our well-being. (Isaiah 48:17) The apostle John put it this way: “This is what the love of God means, that we observe his commandments; and yet his commandments are not burdensome.†(1 John 5:3) Our obedience demonstrates our love for God, and his commandments reflect his love for us.
Hey! I guess there are some good points to use Google. I never thought of using it to find old posts. That's right! It never goes away, it will be there as long as their "cloud bank" of servers exist.
In the middle ages, that romantic time of knights in shining armor, men would challenge each other to fights by throwing their gauntlet (glove) on the ground. The person challenged then had the choice to either pick up the gauntlet - and therefore agree to battle - or walk away. The challenger would often throw in some juicy insults to help motivate the person challenged to agree to fight with them. The interesting thing about that story, is that the person challenged had a choice in how they responded to that thrown gauntlet. It was very clear what the other person wanted - a fight (for whatever reason) - but it was also clear that the person challenged didn't have to fight unless they felt like it. When a challenge is presented (the gauntlet is thrown down) - people who chose to fight do so for a few reasons: because they believe they can win, or to defend themselves or someone they care about. Some of our worked-up loved ones may present this option to us once in a while. We may happen to have the gauntlet thrown at our feet. We just haven't learned to see it as such, therefore we weren't aware that we have a choice on whether we wish to pick it up or not. Choice is a funny thing. Sometimes it's hard to see that you have one. Kind of like the bird that finally has the cage door thrown open, they don't recognize that they now have a chance for freedom. We need to recognize that we do have choices in how we respond to things. We don't HAVE to argue. We don't HAVE to discuss things. We don't HAVE to stay to be abused. We don't HAVE to stay awake. We don't HAVE to engage in intimacies. Since love isn't supposed to be about winning or losing, why do we so often find it necessary to pick up that gauntlet ?
Choices. I always think of the line in the song “Freewill†by Rush. “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.†When you really think about it, it’s about consequences. I love this quote by John Ruskin. "What we think, or what we know, or what we believe is, in the end, of little consequence. The only consequence is what we do." - John Ruskin
Since some recent threads about scientific subjects didn't have the outcome I wish they had, I'm gonna focus my attention on this thread (and a couple others later) in the following weeks. I've wanted to flesh it out for long. I hope and am pretty sure that you'll like the new developments since they're in the same vein, rather more than less, as what this thread is all about right from the start.