Also, the more I think about it, it makes more and more sense. If the constant feature that was removed in 66CE was the sacrifices offered up for the Roman people, then that best describes the Watchtower and Awake of our day. These two are produced to bring information to the world as a constant feature. They are removed, then 1290 days later in 70CE the disgusting thing stands in the holy place!

Check this out! http://72.30.186.176/search/srpcach...N&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=HrbhpLoupdueU65QLCtyXQ--

 

Daniel 12:11 (CEB) | In Context | Whole Chapter

11 There will be one thousand two hundred ninety days from the time the daily sacrifice is stopped to the setting up of the desolating monstrosity.

Daniel 12:11 (CEV) | In Context|Whole Chapter

11 There will be one thousand two hundred ninety days from the time that the daily sacrifices are stopped, until someone sets up the “Horrible Thingâ€￾ that causes destruction.

Daniel 12:11 (ERV) | In Context | Whole Chapter

11 “The daily sacrifice will be stopped. There will be 1290 days from that time until the time that the terrible thing that destroys is set up.

Daniel 12:11 (EXB) | In Context | Whole Chapter

11 “The ·daily [regular] sacrifice [8:12] will be ·stopped [turned away]. Then, after 1,290 days from that time, ·a blasphemous object that brings destruction [L the abomination of desolation; 11:31] will be set up.

Daniel 12:11 (NCV) | In Context | Whole Chapter

11 “The daily sacrifice will be stopped. Then, after 1,290 days from that time, a blasphemous object that brings destruction will be set up.

 

There are two points I can make about this. One, the parallel with our day is that of the ancient temple in Jerusalem. Did the whole world see when the constant feature in the temple was removed before it was destroyed?

Second, if a major religion in this world was to go down, trust me the whole world would know, wouldn't you say?

 

Diagonal,

Please refer to posts 139, 140, 141 then get back to me. I believe what you are asking was explained there... Tell me if it is not...

 

Very good questions John, and I could give the answer but it is a bit like you coming and visiting Kansas City, I could tell you about all the sights ahead as we walk but until you experience them yourself how will you truly know? The reason I say this is this, when I started my work and discovered the true chronology of Dan 12:11 I started asking the same questions, but I did not want to get ahead of myself and start guessing. So the very next thought is, "May Jehovah's will take place, his understanding."

So the next idea was, all the answers must be in chronology! If you know in what order everything actually happens, maybe each event will explain itself.

So what was my next step? It was to figure out the next puzzle of chronology. Look at the same chapter of Daniel 12 in verses 6&7; : “How long will it be to the end of the wonderful things?â€￾And I began to hear the man clothed with the linen, who was up above the waters of the stream, as he proceeded to raise his right [hand] and his left [hand] to the heavens and to swear by the One who is alive for time indefinite: “It will be for an appointed time, appointed times and a half." There is our 3.5 years. So the 1290 years are a continuation of that 3.5 years. So sense we know the beginning of the 1260 days is the removal of the constant feature and that time period ends after the 1260 days, then it's 30 days after the 1260 days end that the disgusting thing is placed. Now 45 days after that the new world is ushered in at Dan 12:12. If I need to slow down on any of that and focus on just one aspect please feel free to ask me too.

This is what it looks like,

{1260, 1290, 1335 Starts}
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{1260 Days Pass}
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{1260 Ends}
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{30 Days Pass}
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{1290 Ends}
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{45 Days Pass}
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{1335[SUP]th [/SUP]Day}

​Ok, still with me? I can answer your questions, but it involves obviously all of scripture and can only be taken from it. So, let me give a brief synopses of your questions and as we go further into chronology we will see why these events are connected to our time frame now and their parallel in the 1st century.

The answers to those questions briefly are the small horn and the eighth king, consecutively, and in fact they are described in scripture as the same entity only in two different time frames and forms. Basically scripture describes the UN in its present state formed in 1946 and it is in this present form it will come against Gods people. Now after that when the Anglo-American world power goes down the eighth king, "again the UN", will be given world runlership, and it's this form of the UN that will be the disgusting thing that stands in a holy place.

Ok, I gave a quick overview, but, I highly suggest we stick to chronology and the numbers, because it is in those that all the events explain themselves. It's kind of like our universe. Math always preempts discovery. From Einstein to Oppenheimer and Witten, they always predicted things such as black holes, light bending, energy within atoms well before they were discovered. So it's within the math that we will find the truth of what everything in scripture means...

 

It has to be understood by anyone who researches this subject that 95% of commentaries out there have no idea what this verse is saying. So sense most are so far from the truth that it will bore you to tears searching anyone who understands the true chronology of this scripture, it can be difficult, and that doesn't make any sense to me because the structure of the sentence can only be understood one way. It makes no sense structurally to read both events begin this time period, and then nothing said of what happens after. The sentence structure clearly state this time period is between these two events. Like I said before what proves it is going through the entire bible and seeing if scripture supports these events separated by 1290 days, which of course it does, however here is the commentary from the NCV;

(NCV)

"11. from . . . sacrifice . . . taken way . . . abomination--( Daniel 11:31 ). As to this epoch, which probably is prophetically germinant and manifold; the profanation of the temple by Antiochus (in the month Ijar of the year 145 B.C., till the restoration of the worship by Judas Maccabeus on the twenty-fifth day of the ninth month [Chisleu] of 148 B.C., according to the Seleucid era, 1290 days; forty-five days more elapsed before Antiochus' death in the month Shebat of 148 B.C., so ending the Jews' calamities [MAURER]); by pagan Rome, after Christ's death; by Mohammed; by Antichrist, the culmination of apostate Rome. The "abomination" must reach its climax (see AUBERLEN'S translation, "summit," Daniel 9:27 ), and the measure of iniquity be full, before Messiah comes."

 

Yes...

I think what I will do is paste a few paragraphs from my book here and then expound on them. My book is written as though the time of the end has already come so to be ready when it does, although it has not arrived yet. As well it is written to those who already believe JW's are Gods true people and that the WTS is the temple of God in our day described as the place the MOL sits in at 2Th 2:4, however I will as I said expound specifically on scriptures explanation of history after posting basics from my book...

"The bible writer Paul in the first century reminded those around him on many occasions of the events that were to take place before the end of this system, and to keep an eye out in order to recognize the unfolding prophecies. At 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4 we read: “Let no one seduce you in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. He is set in opposition and lifts himself up over everyone who is called “god†or an object of reverence, so that he sits down in the temple of The God, publicly showing himself to be a god.†Here Paul reminds us of what has been a theme throughout all scripture. In every instance of Jehovah having a people here on earth, they have fallen short of his requirements, and have been in need of discipline. From the ancient Israelites of old subjected to forty years of wondering in the wilderness, to Jehovah’s people today and the operation of error that has penetrated his earthly organization of our day, resulting in public condemnation. (2Th 2:11)

There have been those inside the organization for years that have questioned quietly within themselves certain doctrinal teachings of the Watchtower Society, for fear of disassociation, but have realized that such teachings were not in agreement with scriptural chronology. As well there have been others outside who have for years publicly declared that within Jehovah’s true religion there has been a man of lawlessness, and an operation of error that would shortly result in this man who sets himself up as a god in The Gods house, would be revealed as a lawless one.

We are now seeing the first event that was prophesied to occur in the time of the end. We read at Daniel 11:30b: “And he will actually go back and hurl denunciations against the holy covenant and act effectively; and he will have to go back and will give consideration to those leaving the holy covenant.†This was actually the very next prophesy of the bible slated to occur from the time of this writing. The United Nations was prophesied more than twenty five hundred years ago to come against Jehovah’s holy people uncovering their errors, and will shortly change times and laws, and this will result in the ending of the publication of the Watchtower magazine, nine hundred and sixty five days after those first news reports. (Dan 7:25)

The next event to occur will be the removal of the constant feature. In the days of the Israelites and the temple directed to be built by Jehovah, the constant feature was the sacrifices offered up by the priests of that time. Today this constant feature is the Watchtower itself and the publications that the society and its members regularly rely on and consider the “Food at the proper timeâ€, however, that constant feature today is prophesied to be removed by the United Nations, beginning the one thousand two hundred and sixty day time period of the Great Tribulation upon Jehovah’s people. We read at Daniel 7:25: “And he will speak even words against the Most High, and he will harass continually the holy ones themselves of the Supreme One. And he will intend to change times and law, and they will be given into his hand for a time, and times and half a time.†(Dan 8:12, 11:31a, 12:7)

Let’s take a look at Daniel 7:11: “I kept on beholding at that time because of the sound of the grandiose words that the horn was speaking; I kept on beholding until the beast was killed and its body was destroyed and it was given to the burning fire.†The horn described in the first part of that scripture represents the United Nations, and the beast thereof, the Anglo-American dual power. Now this scripture also coincides with Revelation 16:10: “And the fifth one poured out his bowl upon the throne of the wild beast. And its kingdom became darkened, and they began to gnaw their tongues for their pain.†So we find here in these two scriptures the description of the collapse of the Anglo-American world power, but it yet does not tell us when in chronology this event takes place. So let’s move to the next scripture in Daniel chapter Seven.

“But as for the rest of the beasts, their rulerships were taken away, and there was a lengthening in life given to them for a time and a season.†(Dan 7:12) Here we find a definition of a time period, “a time and a season.†We know from Revelation that a “time†is a three hundred and sixty day year. Now we can defer that there are four seasons in a year, so a fourth of the three hundred and sixty day year would be ninety days. We add three hundred and sixty to ninety and we get the four hundred and fifty days that the other beasts are allowed to live, although their rulerships were taken away. Now knowing the new world comes in at the one thousand three hundred and thirty fifth day we can count back and find the day the rulerships of the other beasts were taken away and we get to the one thousand eight hundred and fiftieth day in the time of the end.

Now when was this beast killed at Dan 7:11? The beginning of the verse says that the United Nations represented by the “small horn†already exists before the beast that it comes from is killed. Then this taking away of the other beasts rulerships can be found in a description at Rev 16:14b: “and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.†Now the culmination of this event is found at Rev 17:8a: “The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss.†This ascending out of the abyss is a direct correlation with the rest of the beast’s rulerships taken away at Dan 7:11, 12. Then they are gathered together into what is described at Rev 17:11 as the eighth king.

As we’ve discussed, the eighth kings ascending out of the abyss occurs in the seventeenth chapter of Revelation, however, before that eighth king becomes the one world government scripture gives a description of its coming into existence. We read in the thirteenth chapter of Revelation: “And I saw a wild beast ascending out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, and upon its horns ten diadems, but upon its heads blasphemous names." The sea in scripture denotes the tumultuous condition that the human race finds itself in as a whole. We find in verse three of chapter thirteen of Revelation that this beast received a death stroke upon one of its heads that subsequently got healed. Now the seven heads of this beast represent world governments that have dominated over Jehovah’s people in their own time. The first of which was the Egyptian world power, then following it the Assyrian world power. Next to come on to the world stage was Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and then Rome. Following, making up the seventh head was the far reaching British Empire and its autocratic rule, however, after the Second World War the British Empire was bankrupt and if it were not for the Anglo-American loan from the United States, Britain as a country would not have survived. Now the combined collection of all world powers including its ten horns represents today, the United Nations, its permanent members, and ten non-member countries.

In verse eleven of chapter thirteen of Revelation we see the rise of that Anglo-American combination in a two horned beast as we read: “And I saw another wild beast ascending out of the earth, and it had two horns like a lamb, but it began speaking as a dragon.†This today represents the special relationship that the United States and Britain claim as the combined seventh head of the wild beast. The first meeting of the United Nations was held in April of 1945, and then next we read what occurs in October of that same year: “And it performs great signs, so that it should even make fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the sight of mankind.†(Rev 13:13) At that time two atomic weapons were dropped on Japan to facilitate the ending of the Second World War. We next see the actions of this two horned beast as a lamb when in 1946 it begins construction on the visual location of the United Nation, in that of its headquarters in New York. “As it misleads those who dwell on the earth, because of the signs that were granted it to perform in the sight of the wild beast, while it tells those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the wild beast that had the sword stroke and yet revived. And there was granted it to give breath to the image of the wild beast, so that the image of the wild beast should both speak and cause to be killed all those who would not in any way worship the image of the wild beast.â€

Ok, now let me get into specifics...

The vision of the 4 beasts of Daniel ch 6 are the same of that in Revelation 13:2, they parallel each other. Now the forth beast that Daniel made a point to make certain of in 7:19 is described in 6:7. In April of 1945 the first meeting of the UN was held and began as a small horn coming from the fourth beast that of Anglo-America. Notice this beast the "small" horn emerges plucking up three others. These three others are China, France, Russia, making up the 4 permanent members of the UN! Also notice in Dan 7:11 that when this fourth beast goes down, that of the Anglo-American world power, the small horn or UN already exists in a small form! This is also before Jesus is given the throne in 14.

This small horn is discussed in Dan 8:9 where the Persian and Greece war is also described as a dual fulfillment that of the second world war of the Axis and Allies between the king of the north and south. The proof is is the verses 10-14 where it describes this small horn coming against Gods people in the end, which will be a whole nother discussion and I shouldn't expound on that now.

Now, let's move to Revelation. Rev 13 shows this UN beast as a whole from the sea with all 7 heads of the great beast in Dan 2. Now what is the death stroke in Rev 13? It is the British empire who was the next world power from Rome. In 1945 if it had not been for the Anglo-American loan Britain would not have survived as a nation, but with that loan and the creation of the UN these became the dominating world power.

Now let's move to Rev 13:11, here we see the result of that Anglo-American conglomeration. That beast that is out of the earth is the US-Britain world power. Notice in verse 13; "And it performs great signs, so that it should even make fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the sight of mankind." So in August of 1945 in the view of the newly formed UN it drops two atomic weapons on Japan, the "Fire from heaven"!

Now in 1946 the Anglo-American world power was granted to create the image of this beast in the form of the headquarters of the UN in New York! "And it misleads those who dwell on the earth, because of the signs that were granted it to perform in the sight of the wild beast, while it tells those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the wild beast that had the sword‐stroke and yet revived. And there was granted it to give breath to the image of the wild beast, so that the image of the wild beast should both speak and cause to be killed all those who would not in any way worship the image of the wild beast." (Rev 13:15)

At the moment only those who could sign an agreement with the UN could receive this mark, so this would be those higher up in the WTS who form alliances with the UN. Later when this UN becomes the eighth king it will be possible for all mankind to receive this mark if they are not careful. So hence we see the eighth king emerge from the abyss after the current Anglo-america goes down in Rev 17:8. These are gathered together at the sixth bowl just before the end.

The arms that will stand up from the king of the north will most likely be courts that will remove the constant feature. (Dan 11:30) Notice this is before the final battle in verse 40 and as well before the US, "Egypt" goes down in verse 42.

In harmony with Dan 12:11, after the constant feature is removed in verse 31, the final battle between north and south begins in verse 40 and then the disgusting thing is placed in verse 45 of Dan 11, 1290 days later.

This has been where Robert errored. When he doesn't except the fact that there is a period of 1290 days between the fall of the constant feature and the disgusting being placed he has to make a puzzle work of chapter 11 which of course is not accurate. Chapter 11 is chronologically sound.

Because Jehovah's Witnesses are Gods people just as the Jews were in 29CE. Jesus will say, "Get away from me I never knew you" when some Christians call out to him using his name. Jehovah only ever had one people on the earth at any given time, look at history in scripture. It really bores me to no end when people try to discount this basic bible fact because it is very simple and beneath me. There is only one truth, one faith, one baptism. Please do not pick this subject out of my post and try to counter it, I will not respond.

450 days before the new world is ushered in. 405 days before the disgusting thing is placed. 375 days before Jesus is enthroned. 885 days after the constant feature has been removed. 1850 days after the UN hurls denunciations. (Dan 11:30b)

 

Christiandom, with it's center of that great city the Vatican. After the eighth king is set up that women will have made her choice and give her support to the eighth king. That's the moment Christiandom seals her fate.

The wild beast will instantly come to be from the 4 permanent members when Anglo-America goes down. Then the 10 non members will finally become permanent members as well.

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BTG goes down in chronology after the eighth king is set up. Right after it sees the reports out of the north that disturb it. (Dan 11:44) That also is the same moment Jesus is enthroned and holy spirit is poured out and the true sons of God are transfigured. This is all at the end of the 1260 days. When the Eighth king, "UN" sees all this happening it will destroy BTG when it realizes it is false, and most likely will be part of the hail from the heavens falling to the ground in Rev, perhaps "the great city" of the Vatican will experience a nuke.

I did not expound on this in my post above because of the length of it as mentioned, but I will now.

"And out of one of them there came forth another horn, a small one, and it kept getting very much greater toward the south and toward the sunrising and toward the Decoration. And it kept getting greater all the way to the army of the heavens, so that it caused some of the army and some of the stars to fall to the earth, and it went trampling them down. And all the way to the Prince of the army it put on great airs, and from him the constant [feature] was taken away, and the established place of his sanctuary was thrown down. And an army itself was gradually given over, together with the constant [feature], because of transgression; and it kept throwing truth to the earth, and it acted and had success.

And I got to hear a certain holy one speaking, and another holy one proceeded to say to the particular one who was speaking: “How long will the vision be of the constant [feature] and of the transgression causing desolation, to make both [the] holy place and [the] army things to trample on?â€￾ So he said to me: “Until two thousand three hundred evenings [and] mornings; and [the] holy place will certainly be brought into its right condition.â€￾ (Dan 8:10-15)


These are some of the most important scriptures in your question. This is discussing the small horn, "UN" and the constant feature, "WT, AWAKE". The small horn keeps getting greater toward the north and south. All the way to the army of the heavens and the decoration, and it causes some of the stars to fall, "anointed".

Now notice verses 14, 15, Daniel hears a certain holy one asking how long will the vision they just saw in verse 10, 11 continue, that vision of "transgression" along side an intact constant feature. Verse 10 is saying we will see transgression along side the intact constant feature before it goes down. Then the holy one gives the answer, the 2300 days end when the holy place is brought into its right condition, so you count back from that moment and you get the moment the small horn will hurl denunciations at the holy covenant. (Dan 11:30) That is 965 days before the constant feature goes down.

The UN is described in Dan 7:7-8 as existing from the fourth beast. Then in verses 9-10 we see Jehovah sits down and thrones are placed, "Revelation begins." Then you will see its after this that in verses 11, 12 that the beast of Anglo-America goes down and the eighth king is set up in verse 12. Notice in this verse the eighth king only lives 450 days. (This coincides with the fifth and sixth bowl) Then it's after that in verse 13 that Jesus is enthroned...

I'm kinda flying through this because the subject is complex and each part of your question could be specifically addressed and expounded on much more, but I'm sure if you have further questions you will ask.

Dan 11:30, 31; When the UN hurls denunciations before the constant feature goes down there will be arms that will stand up from it. Most likely courts will come against the WTS and because of error will lead it to destruction.

Most likely that will be part of the "pushing" between the north and south at Dan 11:40. Right when Anglo-America goes down and the eighth king set up 450 days before the new world.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Arial" but the sixth bowl draws all nations together to the UN after Anglo-America goes down and after the north and south clash one final time.

 

Gotya...

But if your question is still that of Gog, northerner, Ariel being the same entity I am a but confused. Your commentary you quoted describes Ariel as Jerusalem, so it could not be the northerner and certainly not Gog. Besides, the north is a worldly autocratic rule and Gog being the enemy angles backing it.

Any kingdom divided against itself can not stand. The northerner comes against Jerusalem.