The Image of the Wild Beast

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    Sure I know that during the 1000 year we will be able to learn more than we can do now.

    But the way you state, it looks like it doesn't matter now what we do. If our heart is right, we will survive and get to know Jehovah
    I don't agree with that.

    Look at Matth 28:19,20 "19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations,+baptizing them+ in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.+ And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”*+"

    This is a commandment from Jesus to preach the good news. We have to teach the people and baptize them. Why should we be doing that if it doesn't matter after all?

    John 17 goes continues: "6 “I have made your name manifest* to the men whom you gave me out of the world.+ They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed* your word.7 Now they have come to know that all the things you gave me are from you;8 because I have given them the sayings that you gave me,+ and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative,+ and they have believed that you sent me"

    Jesus himself stated he made Jehovah's name known. Why all this if it doesn't matter, if people who don't even believe God exists, will survive?

    I do believe there will be a final preaching which will give people the chance to choose to serve God or not. This will be before Jesus is enthroned.

    Matth 25:31-33: "31 When the Son of man+ comes in his glory, and all the angels with him,+ then he will sit down on his glorious throne.32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.33 And he will put the sheep+ on his right hand, but the goats on his left.+"

    Matth 25:40: " In reply the King will say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’+"

    So the sheep are being judged as sheep because of the way they treat Jesus brothers. If someone doesn't know or doesn't want to know about Jesus and his brothers and Jehovah, how can he treat them correctly? The texts show that he will be considered as a goat and will not get everlasting life.

    So I think it is of vital importance to get to know the basic truth about Jehovah and Jesus before Jesus comes to judge. With basic truth i mean no trinity, hellfire etc.

    Jesus illustration about the narrow road makes clear that the majority will be on the road to destruction and compared a small number will be on the road to life.
    Matth 7:13,14: "13 “Go in through the narrow gate,+ because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it;14 whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it.+"

    So no matter how you look at the things I'm convinced that it is important to learn now the basic truth to be on the road to life.
     
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    Why would we judge Jehovah as unfeeling or uncaring? Look at the history when Jehovah condemned people. Eg Sodom and Gomorrah. Both cities were destroyed completely, only saving Lot and his daughters. Do you think that all the people in the city were equally bad? Look in our time, we have really bad people and we have people that we might consider as good (just not knowing "the truth"). I think that might have been the case in Sodom and Gomorrah as well. Why would Lot have moved there if all the people were bad to the bone? He probably considered some of them as decent people. I mean I wouldn't move to a place where I felt all are bad and dangerous people.
    But that was not the case for Jehovah. When Abraham was discussing about the number of righteous people in the city, it was clear nobody was considered righteous except for Lot and his family.

    The same with all other examples when the nation of Israel went to take the land of Canaan. All the people that were killed. From a human point of view this might look cruel. This is even what people think about this part of the Bible. But still it was Gods judgement. If we look at Rahab, we see that she was saved because she had faith.

    Why would this be different now in our time?

    I'm very sure Jehovah and the angels have the power to look into people's heart and help them to get to know Him. I do believe JW's have the basic truth about Jehovah.
    Just a couple of weeks ago my boys were in service with a genuine nice brother in our area. They were about to stop, when the brother saw someone on a bench in a park and said that they will just go to him, before stopping. It turned out the man was in deep need and was so happy to be approached by them.
    And there are many examples of these. So Jehovah can already manoeuvre the things to help people who honestly searching for him.

    So I don't think by believing that only people who know Jehovah will be saved, makes me think Jehovah doesn't care. It is his Judgement and it will be correct.
     

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