Kabbalah

"It forms the foundations of mystical religious interpretation. Kabbalah seeks to define the nature of the universe and the human being, the nature and purpose of existence, and various other ontological questions. It also presents methods to aid understanding of these concepts and thereby attain spiritual realization."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah

http://www.jewfaq.org/kabbalah.htm

"Historically, Kabbalah emerged, after earlier forms of Jewish mysticism, in 12th- to 13th-century Southern France and Spain,"

"Kabbalah originally developed entirely within the realm of Jewish thought, and kabbalists often use classical Jewish sources to explain and demonstrate its esoteric teachings."

"Traditional practitioners believe its earliest origins pre-date world religions, forming the primordial blueprint for Creation's philosophies, religions, sciences, arts, and political systems"

Talmud

The term "Talmud" normally refers to the Babylonian Talmud, though there is also an earlier collection known as the Jerusalem Talmud.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud#Present_day

http://www.jewishanswers.org/ask-the-rabbi-2970/torah-talmud-and-kabbalah-whats-what/?p=2970

OK, so within this framework, these are the two primary instruments for the inculcation of Babylonian mysticism into Judaism, which in turn influenced the creation of this hidden 'mystery' kingdom over the kings of the earth, expressed as the financial / banking empire riding on the backs of the nations, run by a loosely knit organization of "Judaizers", as Paul called them.

This group influenced the creation of the State of Israel:

In the face of increasing violence after World War II, the British handed the issue over to the recently established United Nations. The result was Resolution 181(II), a plan to partition Palestine into Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem. The Jewish state was to receive around 56% of the land area of Mandate Palestine, encompassing 82% of the Jewish population, though it would be separated from Jerusalem. The plan was accepted by most of the Jewish population, but rejected by much of the Arab populace. On 29 November 1947, the resolution to recommend to the United Kingdom, as the mandatory Power for Palestine, and to all other Members of the United Nations the adoption and implementation, with regard to the future government of Palestine, of the Plan of Partition with Economic Union was put to a vote in the United Nations General Assembly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Zionism_and_the_British_mandate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Declaration_of_Independence

This would fulfill Babylon the Great's attribute of 'sexual immorality' and 'spiritistic practices'.

 

Let me ask you this, from what I read Babylon is guilty of killing the holy ones. What time frame is this taking about? Is it in the time frame of chronology of the time of the end? What time frame is Jerusalem spoken of when it is described as killing prophets, and what time frame is that taking about?

 

Second, prove Jews are more successful then any other race, and are you sure you want to go down this road?

 

No, I don't

But that question is irrelevant.

[The framework doesn't require this - merely a hidden sector of men 'calling the shots' in this category]

Jewish people themselves have nothing to do with this discussion!

I have no interest in offending anyone, or making sweeping generalizations; just trying to see if the framework fits.

(edit) The theory is this: Babylonian Judaism has a 'drunken wine like' influence over powerful men, which also includes a cabal of ultra-wealthy individuals who fit in this category, capable of using financial means to sway power. "riding the beast"

She 'sits on many waters' as a hidden group, related through spiritual bond(age), and a common 'clique' of ultra-wealthy men and women who subscribe to this Babylonian form of Judaism.



Also, more importantly:

"For I do not want you to be unaware of this sacred secret,+ brothers, so that you do not become wise in your own eyes: A partial dulling of senses has come upon Israel until the full number of people of the nations has come in,"

And

"True, with respect to the good news, they are enemies for your sakes; but with respect to God’s choosing, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers."

And ultimately, respecting Israel:

"For God has confined all of them together in disobedience so that he might show all of them mercy."

 

I like you SingleCell, your one of my favorite people here. Thank you for your calm, thank you for your insight and thinking outside the box. Thank you for being a member, I love when you contribute. Your awesome... That's pretty much it...lol "Hugs"!

 

I feel the same about you my friend

Also, quick read my edit, I think I clarified this a bit with a summary.

 

Try this, drop everything you think you know about BTG and read Revelation 17 and 18 with this framework in mind.

Just as an exercise to debunk anything which doesn't correlate.

The answer to your question, within this framework would be:

The same time-frame.

Jerusalem became guilty in the first century as stated in Matthew 23 (not to mention being the 'killer of prophets' before that), and BTG's reference to killing the holy ones are the exact same event.

This answer works whatever framework you suggest; because the eight king kills the holy ones in Revelation, not BTG!!

^ that seems pretty convincing to me, because the answer then becomes obvious - BTG = apostate Jerusalem who killed the holy ones!

(mind blown)

"And I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the holy ones and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus." - Revelation 17:6

The "Babylon" connection comes through the Babylonian Talmud and Kabbalah.

 

But but, with that idea then your Babylon could only have existed since the first century? "Death of holy ones"

 

And as a followup. Where was your definition of Babylon in the year 70CE, WWII, and so on?

 

Well, not exactly - but Jesus words at Matthew 23:35 imply that "there may come upon you all the righteous blood spilled on earth" when they kill the 'witnesses of Jesus' in the first century.

Regardless of our identify for BTG, it's not the neo-Babylonian (Nebuchadnezzar) empire Revelation 17/18 is referencing. (for example, if it were the Holy See that would be 4th century onward)

 

Taking shape.

In 70 CE the oral tradition of what became the Babylonian Talmud (200 CE) was 'put on high' by the Jesus denying Rabbis.

During this time period the development of an alternative interpretation of Daniel 9's Christ timeline was being formed to coincide with the destruction of the temple in 70.

http://judaismsanswer.com/Daniel%209.pdf

Out of this movement came everything I described.

Regarding physical Jerusalem, that is more an aside to the harlot, perhaps a moniker of the conclusion of the system and focal point for the destruction of BTG when the nations turn on her; the 'harlot' sits on many waters, and is this loose knit Babylonian Kabbalah form of Judaism practiced by the 'top merchants' who sway the financial system, and the 'beast' she rides.

 

In this first scripture Jesus is speaking of Jerusalem.

Mat 23:35: "so that there may come upon you all the righteous blood spilled on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zech·a·ri′ah son of Bar·a·chi′ah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar."

Now this scripture is speaking to the harlot.

Rev 17:6: "And I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the holy ones and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus."

I don't see any similarity between these two scriptures, and no connection at all. Jerusalem was punished for all the blood spilled from Able to Zechariah. Now however the Harlot is responsible for the blood of the holy ones, that would be after Jesus established the new covenant, and up to the two witnesses killed in the time of the end.

PS: According to Wikipedea the Holy See is seen being established in the first century.

 

Notice that this is a prophecy:

Therefore, you are testifying against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Well, then, fill up the measure of your forefathers

“Serpents, offspring of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of Ge·hen′na?

34 For this reason, I am sending to you prophets and wise men and public instructors. (future)

Some of them you will kill and execute on stakes, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, 35 so that there may come upon you all the righteous blood spilled on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zech·a·ri′ah son of Bar·a·chi′ah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. 37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it.+ 38 Look! Your house is abandoned to you"


Jerusalem became guilty of all the righteous blood on the earth after killing those sent to them (men like Stephen); before this, they were the 'killer of the prophets', but not guilty for all the righteous blood.

Interesting side note: Paul was a killer of prophets and instructors, but was redeemed by divine revelation of the messiah... could this be a foreshadowing the end of Matthew 23:

"For I say to you, you will by no means see me from now until you say, ‘Blessed is the one who comes in Jehovah’s name!’â€" (in other words, blessed is Jesus)

Fulfilling Zechariah 12, when they realize they killed their 'firstborn son' the Messiah!

Also interesting is the last section of Zechariah 12, 1/4 of the 12 tribes recognize the Messiah - could these be ones who hear the call to 'get out of her' and are grafted back into the holy tree?

 

This bears some research: the Babylonian Talmudic influence by Judaizers on the Catholic Church and Holy See.

Recall that Paul warned about these types infiltrating the 'church' as the primary threat (Galatians and Ephesians covers this in detail)

The Talmud describes Jesus as the primary enemy of Judaism (among varying other insults), and Christians the expression of that enemy of among men. Could this 'mystery' religion have helped steer the Catholic Church by way of infiltration, in the same way they had infiltrated the Galatian church?

I have no problem seeing BTG as an amalgum of these two entities, or even as one entity expressed in two forms. At the core of this framework is the supposition that Babylon's religious system transferred itself into Judaism; could that same spirit have also influenced the creation of the Holy See as one of it's prostitute daughters? "the mother of the disgusting things"?!?

(but need to research, just throwing this out there)

 

Hey Christo,

I had last week off and spent most of it away from the computer

Getting back into the swing now, first I want to finish the discussion with Joshua about Daniel 7 and 8, and then continue here.

I had a bit of a 'bad feeling' about this thread, because as Joshua pointed out, it can be mistaken for racism ... which is the last thing I would ever want to suggest.

Unfortunately much of the anti-Jewish crowd are vocal conspiracy theorists, not to mention Hitler and Mein Kampf, so I want to be judicious about this information ... just talking about it associates us with the wackos.

And yet, it is unarguable that Talmudic Kabbalic Judaism is disproportionately represented in the higher echelons.

 

The Formation of The City of Spiritual Babylon​

This series of arguments will speculate on the history of the Khazars.

Briefly, the Khazars were the people to create one of the nation-states which emerged from the breakup of the Western Turkish "Khazarian" empire.

(~600 - 1000 CE)

Standing between the Muslims in Arabia and the Christians in Byzantium, they were a MAJOR commercial hub between Europe and Asia, controlling parts of the 'Silk Road'.

Around the 8th century, the Khazar royal class converted to Judaism, and in legend so did the populace; but not the Mosaic form of Judaism we are familiar with, rather, the Talmudic-Kabbalah permutation, which is overtly anti-Christ in every sense of the word.

Speaking of Babylon the Great: "for your merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth"

From early formation of the 'organization' which became Babylon the Great, having an economic system over the nations, the Babylonian permutation of Judaism was fundamental to the world economy - and has now found a people to be represented through.

It is argued by certain historians that this group of people coming out of Khazaria are the "Jews" occupying the State of Israel today.

But what Biblical precedent can we cite to charge that those claiming to be Jews during the 'time of the end' are imposters?

"Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you."

Revelation 3:9

Israeli molecular geneticist has proven this theory to some extent, in my opinion - the "Jews" today are European of descent, not Semitic.

Here is a Forbes article:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonentine/2013/05/16/israeli-researcher-challenges-jewish-dna-links-to-israel-calls-those-who-disagree-nazi-sympathizers/

 

The Ashkenazi​

The group of converted Babylonian-Judaic Khazars detailed above are charged to be the descendents of today's "Ashkenazi Jews", accounting for ~75% of the world's Jewish people.

These are people descended from Central European Caucasians, NOT the Semitic Israelites of the Old Testament.

Interestingly, in Zechariah 12, Jehovah promises to deliver 4 of the 12 tribes (33%) of Israel during the day of Jehovah's wrath.

“I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of favor and supplication, and they will look to the one whom they pierced, and they will wail over him as they would wail over an only son; and they will grieve bitterly over him as they would grieve over a firstborn son."

This chapter in Zechariah seems to be referencing literal Israel, rather than "the Israel of God" because they 'look to the one whom they pierced' and are made aware of the fact that they 'pierced' the messiah. There is no sufficient framework to suggest that this chapter applies to the Israel of God - though most of Zechariah, in my opinion, does apply to the Israel of God. Notice the use of 'house of David' and 'inhabitants of Jerusalem' compared to "Judah" (Christianity):

"And Jehovah will save the tents of Judah first, so that the beauty of the house of David and the beauty of the inhabitants of Jerusalem may not be too great over Judah."

This coincides with Romans 11 where we are let into a 'sacred secret' that Jehovah is saving Israel though they are temporarily disobedient to the good news FOR OUR SAKES. (Judah's sake)

Could the remaining non-Ashkenazi of today's Jewish population be those original Semitic Israelites? A stretch, sure, but not impossible.

That would explain why only 4/12 tribes appear in the prophecy of Zechariah 12.

Next up: The Rothschilds (Ashkenazi Jews), fractional reserve banking, and the State of Israel. The basis for Babylon the Great's kingdom over the kings of the earth.

 

Quick Re-Cap of the Framework​

Babylon had a powerful influence over Israel, in fact, the ideas coming out of the Babylonian captivity produced the 'seed' which changed the Mosaic system of Law given by Jehovah into an anti-Christian racist diatribe in the form of the Talmud and Kabbalah. Israel rejected the 'arm of Jehovah' and were left without root, pruned from the tree of God's holy kingdom - in this context the full expression of Satan's religious system was allowed to flourish. Hence, Jesus called them (Pharisees) the 'synagogue of Satan'.

This corrupted form of Judaism worked it's way through post-Roman Europe finally culminating into the wholesale conversion of part of the Khazarian empire.

These Khazar "Jews" (note: the word Jew didn't exist until the late-middle-ages) took their warlike economic control of the Silk Road and permuted itself over 600 years into the Banking System which controlled Europe, expanding into total global control over the world financial system through Rothschild, Warburg and other families, with their VAST wealth.

The primary means of control has been through the fractional reserve banking system which allows for an infinitely expanding money supply predicated on banks only withholding 1/10 of reserves, while lending the other 9/10 out in the form of interest bearing loans. This ensures that the shadow banking system will always be the REAL power-center of the planet. Nation-states are incapable of overreaching the effects of this system, and are therefore subject to it.

Because of these facts (or a close approximation of), sociopathic racists throughout history have attempted to annihilate the (Ashkenazi) Jews. These very same sentiments are growing stronger throughout the world today! No doubt another extermination of these people draws near.


Sound like a crazy conspiracy theory? Well it's not. This information is WELL documented and readily available for confirmation.

Therefore, we have a group of people 'calling themselves Jews, but who are not' that hold the real Israelites in captivity to this spiritistic false religious corruption of Mosaic law in the form of the Talmud and Kabbalah.

The mystery of this lawless system holds a financial empire over the nations of this world in the form of the Western-European banking system and ALL it's subsidiaries.

Hence, Babylon the Great rides on the BACK of the beast. Her men are the 'top ranking merchants' of the world. A mystery indeed.