The New Gray Looking Bible.

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    Needless to say, that I have become very distrustful of the organization, and when attending meetings I pay attention more than what I used to before I became aware of "The Truth *ABOUT* The Truth*. I weigh everything that comes from the platform compairing it with what the bible actually say regarding the matter.

    As you all know. We just recently changed to the new gray looking bible (what was wrong with the old one?) Anyway, I have not made the switch. Im afraid they may have changed something or perhaps sneek something in that I may not catch. Last week at the meeting (black bible in hand of course) my wife was asked if If I had a copy of the "New Bible"? She told the brother,

    "Yes...he does. Its still wrapped in the plastic setting in the back of the car"

    I didnt expect her to be so blatenly honest (I tend to forget shes a redhead sometimes)

    The brother looked puzzled and wanted to press further to ask why.....but got the feeling that he better not go there.

    Is my skepticism justified?
    Do any of you also share my hesitation with using the new bible?
     
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    You know Gab we all love that the Fathers name has been exposed in the Hebrew Scriptures
    but they have inserted it into the the Greek with absolutely NO BACKUP for except the "It
    seems reasonable to add his name to the 'hebrew scripture quotes' " , additionally they have
    changed the "worship" references to the Christ as "obeisance" where is all other cases is
    rendered worship ...and as discussed in many of the threads here other "misleading" and
    misguided word changes leaves one very much with the " any open errors makes the transla-
    tion suspect" I have no intention of updating to the NEW "Bible" ...Gods Word has been
    altered enough by them to make my hair stand on end. I have always read the Scriptures with
    at least three or more translations and the Strong's sitting right next to me (even before my
    association with this particular (my favorite) sect of Christianity . We have no original copies
    of earlier date than a couple of centuries after they were originally distributed among the
    early church ..My studies will continue with the oversight of the King in mind ...but I did enjoy
    your wife's honesty and the "tale" ...continue loving the Lord and he will direct your path .
     
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    It's just like anything else, some things change and others do not. The grey version is the only one I use now, for several reasons. One being that it has proved to me in several places that changes were made to more accurately translate the meaning. One of those being Zech 3:7. Added was one simple letter "a" that changed the entire meaning of the scripture of which I already knew was the case before, but it's nice to see it read as it should.

    Also, in the time of the end, all of our B&S will know this grey version and will trust it as they do now, so having it in hand in that time will help bring them back those to Jehovah.

    As well, It still is the most accurate translation in my opinion in the world.

    You don't have anything to worry about, it appears that just as the black version, Jehovah's spirit was over the construction of this one as well...
     
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    I am also enjoying reading this new translation online. What is good is that you can look the references online.
    And l like that they have skipped literal translations of ancient expressions, and instead use modern words and expressions.
    And l am glad that God's name has been restored to many places where it rightfully belongs in the NT. ( But may be there are places where it does not belong, but I have to check it first.)
     
  5. Hi Gabriel:

    There is probably nothing wrong with using the new "gray" covered Bible, as long as you remember that no matter who the translators are they have an inherent "bias" as to how they translate certain terms. In the translation of Hebrew and Greek to the English there always seem to be some variance as to how it is properly translated into English. If one variance favors the translators theology, that is the one that they would probably choose, even when they also probably know that it is not the most accurate. I have seen this in all translations.

    The New World Translation is pretty easy to understand and is for the most part accurate, but don't be fooled that they are also not effected by the aforesaid "bias", it is only natural. POP's advice to read the Bible with a few decent translations and possibly an interlinear translation would help ensure that you are getting the right sense of the scriptures. Hope that helps. Here is a link to an online interlinear Hebrew and Greek Bible that uses the King James, Youngs Literal Translation and the Concordant Literal Version.

    Here are a couple you can look at: http://www.scripture4all.org/

    And a couple more:

    http://www.biblestudytools.com/interlinear-bible/
    https://www.biblegateway.com/blog/2...new-testament-now-available-on-bible-gateway/

    frank
     
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    Hi Gabe,

    What's the point of changing details in a new Bible version if official interpretations and beliefs remain the same ? or if nothing really new and accurate comes out of it ?

    Since there is a new Bible version, will they drop the few fables they want to stick to, or add many more other ones as a result ? Will they drop the many truths they taught millions of people, or come to the impressive spiritual understanding that we should expect from those calling themselves the "soon-to-be-appointed" Faithful and Discreet Slave ?

    Will they mislead people more or less than what they already have for decades ?

    Please, don't worry about this new version. Using it won't impede people like you from getting a more accurate understanding or mislead others more than the way they already are.

    The NWT is generally seen as a pretty good translation and this new version isn't any different to it. There is no such thing as a perfect translation. Please, don't mind using it. There's nothing worth in it fighting for/against or getting overly the attention of the knuckle-dragging elders you seem to have in your congregation.

    Please, if the elders in your congregation are like Paul's description below, let them mind about trifles and may you keep minding about you and what your family really need NOW...

    "...he is puffed up [with pride], not understanding anything, but being mentally diseased over questionings and debates about words. From these things spring envy, strife, abusive speeches, wicked suspicions, violent disputes about trifles on the part of men corrupted in mind and despoiled of the truth, thinking that godly devotion is a means of gain." - 1 Tim. 6;4-5
     
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    Yes, absolutely !

    As I said on several occasions here, I use almost every day for my Bible study about 15 different hard-copy versions of the Bible (either in French or in English) and many more contained in biblical encyclopedias or available online. All those versions have their respective flaws and qualities and are worth reading.

    Given what happened last night near Wallops, Virginia, this discussion reminds me of a situation that happened during the assembly of an expensive satellite. In spite of the numerous checks carried out so that nothing is forgotten or omitted during the assembly of a satellite, one of them broke down one day during the final tests because one engineer had forgotten there in a hole a rag used to clean stuff and the damage once the satellite in orbit could have amounted to millions of dollars. The reporter asked the supervisor how such a blunder was possible given the numbers of checks and the level of skills required for the engineers to work there. Was the guy who made the blunder fired ?

    The supervisor answered : We can't fire him because the guys who work here are the best in the world and even the best engineers in the world make blunders. Who else could we hire in their places ?

    It's the same with many Bible versions, the NWT being among them. There are blunders therein but they are the best so far on hand so... and... where could we turn to instead ?
     
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    Thanks, family. You guys really put my mind at ease. And youre right UTuna. Theres nothing in the new version that wont mislead people more than they already are. Frank, i like that link that you posted. Its going to go a long way for me, thanks a lot, bro. Poetry, you have a good point...use several other translations just to make sure the meaning isnt being lost.

    Funny, I never would have thought in a million years that I would be paranoid about anything the society puts out. In fact...I would be totally offended if someone told me 12 years ago that I would become terribly skeptical and paranoid over the societies publications. I would've thought they were fools. Goes to show you how time changes us all. Theres only a few things I feel that I can really hold on to when it comes to the faith these days. God's love for mankind that is manifested in Jesus Christ our lord and king. And the resurrection promise to all those who die without receiving the mark of the beast. I simply wish to continue to hold on to these few precious truths that keeps my family stable and gives us peace of mind.
     
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    Hi Gabriel,
    I want to tell you my experience. At one moment I could not be sure of anything the WT had taught me. Similar to what you said you experience now.
    And I had come to this point by only reading the NWT and praying for God Jehovah's guidance. Infact you can use the NWT to prove WT wrong in about 40 teachings according to my personal bible study.
    So the NWT is not that bad at all.

    After I found a couple of WT teachings to be wrong. I asked myself, what other teachings could be wrong. So I decided I'll read through the Bible from cover to cover and check which teachings are correct and which are erroneous.
    And I could regain confidence in the basic teachings of the WT org. Those enlisted in the charter of this forum. Nothing wrong with them.
    So I would strongly recommend you to do the same. Just read through the new NWT and pray for Jehovah's guidance and check which teachings are ok and which are erroneous.
    In that way you will get rid of doubts and get peace in mind.


     
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    The new gray Bible has some long overdue improvements but unfortunately the revision team has missed/ignored a few key ones (and as for keeping the interpolated 'Jehovah' in the CGS/NT - hm, let's not go there).

    For example,

    John 17:3 (NWT) - "This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge [ginōskō] of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ" has been amended to (RNWT) "This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ" - better; a step in the right direction.

    However, there has been no such improvement with Matt. 24:39.

    (NWT/RNWT) "and they took no note [ginōskō] until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be."

    Additionally, the team has not bothered to correct Jer. 29:10's "at Babylon" which is incongruous with the surrounding context.

    I grew up with the previous NWT version so that is the one I 'think' in. I also prefer the NJB as a good, readable, study Bible (I took it along to meetings for a few years to compare with NWT renderings and to break up the monotony), so I don't feel a need to use the gray one. Meh.
     
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    In truth I still use my large print NWT from 1961 , it is very "annotated" with
    my own expositions in the margins . Frankly even tho I have the version from
    the 80's I still prefer my big print with all my notes ..The last couple of years
    I switched to reading the NIV with the KJV and the NWT and two interlinears
    with the Strongs ..I have "the Bible Reader" By Abbot but when I have a very
    serious question I do come over to the Biblegateway and use the verse which
    bring up over twenty examples from other versions (yowza so many have the
    need to feel revisions are necessary) I also like the ESV but don't own one ,I
    love that Bible gateway has more than a few audio bibles also , I have been
    using them for nearly 5 years ..oh I also have some from the Concordant
    Version of the Torah and the 12 minor Prophets and Isaiah ..I've owned more
    than a few different translations but found them unpalatable I think only
    because my upbringing prefers powerful language to watered down language.
    (I still love the KJV even knowing that words like "charity" replace love ,
    (also read Dake's annotated reference bible many years ago) I always
    read the KJV with the Strong's but some verses just cut to the chase
    and leave you with "WOW" no getting around that one , again I have a taste
    for archaic english and much poetry in it's language is still extant) and as above
    "why the need for a new bible" make the current one available in more languages.
    For many it's this simple I found the "truth of Jesus" in the KJV , therefore I'm
    inclined to still very much enjoy it's reading ..having more than a few wonderful
    online sites with so many resources makes research and study a far more joyful
    pursuit these days .
     
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    I have had every NWT that got printed gray is ugly and boreing the green giant was nicer then ole grumbler (the worlds new name for the gray bible)
    but they worked hard to produce it and its somewhat better to read.

    I still like the NIV and the byington had some fun in it. any way its the bible and currently the best food we have. learn to like it.

    it will grow on you like the old Babylon book!
     
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    I love the new version, it reads easily, like the NIV. Make the switch IMO Gabriel.

    For serious research an interlinear is the best option, regardless of our preferred 'reading' translation.
     

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