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    At 3:20 of the video the claim is made that Nimrod was born December 25. There is no substantiation in the Bible or elsewhere that backs up that claim. Most of the myths about Nimrod are far removed from the time period of Babylon, and the building of the tower. (Gen 10:10 ) Genesis 10:25 mentions the birth of Peleg, which means division. That is when "the earth was divided." There is no biblical proof that Nimrod had a hand in building the tower. It only mentions that it, along with Erech, Accad, and Calneh. were the "beginning of his kingdom". Chapter 11 of Genesis is the first mention of the building of cities, and it says, "Now the whole earth had one language and one speech. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar, and they dwelt there." ( Gen 11:1-2 NKJV) "And they said, 'Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.'" ( Gen 11:4 NKJV )
     
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    Thanks for the correction Bro T....and your right there is no biblical info on his birth date.....I’ll have to go off and do some research on Nimrod...was he the grandfather of Peleg ?.....I’m not sure but I think some of that info may come from Joesephus...Antiquities of the Jews book 1.....
    Oh well I’ll have a deeper look...and check him out.... a good little study subject...:)
     
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    Religious Freedom in Australia controversy

     
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    This is a written talk by Spurgeon..I cannot find a audio of it...it is only part of the talk as it is very long..
    Keep in mind Spurgeon was a part of the great reformation work,,,,he still believed in the trinity at this time etc.
    But his understanding of Jehovah was great...ones like him did a great work in directing the way out of BTG...which was and is a painful loooooong process by mans yard stick of time....

    As the scriptures say..
    Beroean Study Bible ECC 3:7
    A time to tear and a time to mend.
    A time to keep quiet and a time to speak.

    If it is Truth...it should bear up under scrutiny...


    tan Tabernacle Pulpit 1
    WITNESSES FOR GOD
    NO. 3165
    (Suggested by his being summoned to attend the police court as a witness).
    A SERMON
    PUBLISHED ON THURSDAY, OCTOBER 7, 1909, DELIVERED BY C. H. SPURGEON,
    AT THE METROPOLITAN TABERNACLE, NEWINGTON, IN THE YEAR 1875.
    “You are My witnesses, says the LORD.” Isaiah 43:10.
    IT is some time since I have known what it is to be at leisure. One’s time from morning till night is occupied in different departments of the Master’s service and it has been peculiarly troublesome to me during the last week to be compelled to spend many hours in a police court. While sitting on the bench this text has again and again occurred to me—“You are My witnesses, says the LORD.”
    A great trial is going on, of which all worlds constitute the jury—a great trial between the powers of evil and the one perfect Lord of Good. Slanders have been vented against the name and majesty of heav- en and plots have been invented with the intent to overthrow holiness and the truths of God. The whole fraternity of hell has stirred up their malicious craftiness to defame the God of heaven and earth. We know which way the suit will be decided, for we know where the truth lies, but lo, these many centuries the matter has been hanging in the balances. Sometimes it has seemed that truth had gained the day, but at other times the powers of evil have come to the front. This trial is still proceeding. Satan brings up his witnesses, ready enough to lie and to establish the teachings of the father of lies and, on the other hand, the Lord brings up His witnesses to bear testimony for truth and righteousness. There are many in this place of whom the text speaks. “You are My witnesses, says the LORD.” We are summoned in this great trial of the ages to stand forward as witnesses for God.
    Very simply, indeed, let us talk of this matter.
    I. At the outset we will take the simple assertion that WE ARE WITNESSES and inquire what sort of witnesses we ought to be? I count it no small honor for the good Lord to call me as a witness in His case. Hence, I, for one, am a willing witness. I need no subpoena to compel me to come forward and bear such witness as I can for the glory of His great name! Such of you as can cheerfully come forward for the Lord should give their attention to the duty of witnesses. Let us see what are the main points of that duty.

    First, let us be present to witness, in our proper place, at the proper time. I know some Christians who are of a very “retiring” disposition—I believe that is their favorite word. I fear the truth of God would say they are cowardly and, therefore, they are silent when their witness should be borne. They are willing enough to bear testimony when thousands are doing the same and they can shout, “Hosanna,” when all the streets are ringing with it—but not so many are prepared to witness for Christ when the hoarse cry of, “Crucify Him! Crucify Him!” is heard on every side. If we are witnesses for God we are bound to be witnesses to all that we know, but flesh and blood will suggest to us to be out of the way when unpopular truths are in question.
    Certain brethren find it convenient to insist upon quiet portions of the Word of God and not on truths which might cause them trouble and provoke discussion. That doc- trine which is already received, they will affirm because all men agree with them, but the very portion of truth which most needs witnessing is shirked and even looked down upon with disfavor! Let us always be there when there is a witness needed to be browbeaten and abused because he states the unpalatable truth of God! Never pick and choose in truth, or in your witness to it.

    Or if you must make a choice, vin- dicate most that truth which is most despised. If you happen to be where men are blaspheming; witness against that blasphemy, calmly but firmly. If you dwell where error is taught, wait till you have a fair opportunity and then stand up for Jesus! I do not say that you are to rush about like a knight errant,

    Volume 55 Tell someone today how much you love Jesus Christ. 1
    2 Witnesses for God Sermon #3165
    fighting with everybody—but when there is a demand for a witness upon any point of truth, be you the man and witness a good confession for Jesus your Lord!
    Next, if we are witnesses for God, we should not only be in our place, but we should be willing to speak up when the time comes. No redeemed man must be in any degree an unwilling witness for his Lord. It is a pity when truth has to be extracted from us with as much difficulty as a decayed tooth. That is the best wine which flows most freely from the grape and that is the best testimony which a man bears with cheerful spirit because he values the truth in his own soul, and would have others prize it too! The thought that our Lord Jesus was silent for us should prevent our ever being silent towards Him. One word from His mouth in Pilate’s Hall would have broken the spell which bound Him to death, but He would not speak it. And now, if one word from our lips would sign our death warrant, if it is a word for truth and Christ, let us speak it and joyfully accept the consequences! God’s true children are never born dumb—therefore speak out like a true man. What you know, tell! What God has taught you, teach! What you have learned in the closet, proclaim on the housetop! And what was whispered in your ear in com- munion with your God, blaze it abroad before all men! Speak up, speak up for Jesus!
     
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    Very very interesting

     
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    I do not know if this is right or not but it sounds feasible and everyone can work it out them selves


     
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    Jehovah’s witnesses are living and experiencing difficult times...confusing times....it is not easy to experience personal hurts and pains that are so extreme that we are torn internally and brought low by ones who claimed to be our own brothers and sisters.
    Often in stations of authority....thus the injury can be of such magnitude to actually bring about our spiritual death.
    Which is why we see on line so many ex JWs ..who are now atheists...or have started their own faiths or fled back to BTG...they have been chased out into the wilderness and some may be devoured by beasts .
    Some may isolate themselves..as I did and in some cases may actually be safer for them for a time period...
    I don’t recommend staying in that time period as ones who isolate themselves may fall into the trap of seeking their own selfish longings and not even know they are doing that.
    But each must decide for themselves....

    Try to keep in mind that Jehovah has known all along his people ( whom ever they are) have always fallen and disappointed him and he knew and seen in the time of the end it would be no different..
    This following video is excellent information but it holds a very very important point of which I will not elaborate on...each must try to understand and discern it for them selves.
    This information and understanding is very good...I’m not saying it is one hundred percent correct...

     
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    This is rather a good talk..interesting..this preacher is a Trinitarian and after listening to some of his talks certainly does not like us...Jehovahs witnesses...but this talk is worth listening too.


     
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    This is a good explanation of why we have problems amongst Us as a people who claim to be used by Jehovah..( I certainly believe we are ).
    This article actually doesn’t use the entire scriptures...one needs to read Mathew13:40 and 42 ..to understand that the weeds are not just in the fields of the world but amongst Gods own people...whom ever they may be.
    The explanation of the weeds can be found at Mathew 13:36
    But we fail to understand it properly because we don’t read past certain scriptures...we need to read vs 40 and 41...to really see where the weeds are growing also...( not just the world/fields)

    Mathew 13:40
    Therefore just as the weeds are collected and burned with fire so it will be in the conclusion of the system of things.
    41:the son of man will send his angels and they will collect out FROM HIS KINGDOM all things that cause stumbling and people who practice lawlessness....

    Mathew 3:12
    His winnowing fork is in his hand to clear HIS threshing floor and to gather his wheat Into the barn, but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire

    Okay so we may ask just what is this KINGDOM meaning....going by bible hub each translation uses the word Kingdom..

    Bible hub explanation
    Kingdom
    Greek word meaning basileias
    noun- Genitive, feminine Singular
    STRONGS GREEK 932: from basileus; properly royalty ie. Rule or a realm.

    So I’m gathering that not all those who are invited/anointed..... are looked on favorably but are actually acting as weeds amongst the wheat..that can be from within (1peter 4:17 For it is the appointed time to start with the house of God)...or outside (field/world)...or some who were once within and have left..(1John2:19 they went out from us but were not of our sort)

    It’s Also why everything is SO HARD AND CONFUSING...but we forwarned us this would be the case.

    Jude 1:3
    .......I found it necessary to write you...to URGE you to PUT UP A HARD FIGHT for the faith that was once for all time delivered to the holy ones
    4:my reason is that certain men have slipped in among you who WERE LONG AGO APPOINTED to this judgement by THE SCRIPTURES ....THEY ARE UNGODLY MEN......who turn the undeserved kindness of our God Into an excuse for Brazen conduct...

    http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/tares.html
     
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    The Poet

    This story a life where one may hide,
    in a book ones thoughts may play out mine.

    This path a winding and varied road,
    where stones and thorns hoard and goad.

    Yet beauty at every corner and pass,
    where eyes entreat in holding fast.

    As graces leave these melodies by,
    it seems as though, lone in thy.

    To some this path may find its home,
    to others these roam, all unknown.

    The beauty lies within this word;
    its future within, you whom heard.
     
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    Interesting and he is probably right...not sure about The Laodicea comment ?

     
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    very interesting comment right at the bottom of the article

    Numbers 2: Israel's Battle Formation

    by Wayne Blank
    See also 1 Year Holy Bible Reading Plan


    "Every man of the children of Israel shall pitch by his own standard, with the ensign of their father's house"

    The LORD God was and is Jesus Christ (see Genesis 1: In The Beginning Was The Word and The Kingdom Of The LORD God).



    "10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." (1 Corinthians 10:1-4 KJV)
    Jesus Christ commanded that the first official census of the Israelites after the Exodus (see Numbers 1: The First Sinai Census) was to be a militarycensus, "with the number of their names, every male by their polls; from twenty years old and upward, all that are able to go forth to war in Israel."



    "1:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the tabernacle of the congregation, on the first day of the second month, in the second year after they were come out of the land of Egypt, saying, 1:2 Take ye the sum of all the congregation of the children of Israel, after their families, by the house of their fathers, with the number of their names, every male by their polls; 1:3 From twenty years old and upward, all that are able to go forth to war in Israel: thou and Aaron shall number them by their armies." (Numbers 1:1-3 KJV)
    So too, the order of the Israelite camp, that at that time was the entire Israelite nation, was arranged at all times in a battle formation, with the Tabernacle (see Exodus 26: The First Christian Tabernacle) double-defended on all sides, first by all tribes, and then the Levites (see the illustration). When the camp advanced, Judah, Issachar and Zebulun "shall first set forth."

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    "2:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, 2:2 Every man of the children of Israel shall pitch by his own standard, with the ensign of their father's house: far off about the tabernacle of the congregation shall they pitch.
    2:3 And on the east side toward the rising of the sun shall they of the standard of the camp of Judah pitch throughout their armies: and Nahshon the son of Amminadab shall be captain of the children of Judah. 2:4 And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were threescore and fourteen thousand and six hundred.

    2:5 And those that do pitch next unto him shall be the tribe of Issachar: and Nethaneel the son of Zuar shall be captain of the children of Issachar. 2:6 And his host, and those that were numbered thereof, were fifty and four thousand and four hundred.

    2:7 Then the tribe of Zebulun: and Eliab the son of Helon shall be captain of the children of Zebulun. 2:8 And his host, and those that were numbered thereof, were fifty and seven thousand and four hundred.

    2:9 All that were numbered in the camp of Judah were an hundred thousand and fourscore thousand and six thousand and four hundred, throughout their armies. These shall first set forth.

    2:10 On the south side shall be the standard of the camp of Reuben according to their armies: and the captain of the children of Reuben shall be Elizur the son of Shedeur. 2:11 And his host, and those that were numbered thereof, were forty and six thousand and five hundred.

    2:12 And those which pitch by him shall be the tribe of Simeon: and the captain of the children of Simeon shall be Shelumiel the son of Zurishaddai. 2:13 And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were fifty and nine thousand and three hundred.

    2:14 Then the tribe of Gad: and the captain of the sons of Gad shall be Eliasaph the son of Reuel. 2:15 And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were forty and five thousand and six hundred and fifty.

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    2:16 All that were numbered in the camp of Reuben were an hundred thousand and fifty and one thousand and four hundred and fifty, throughout their armies. And they shall set forth in the second rank.

    2:17 Then the tabernacle of the congregation shall set forward with the camp of the Levites in the midst of the camp: as they encamp, so shall they set forward, every man in his place by their standards.

    2:18 On the west side shall be the standard of the camp of Ephraim according to their armies: and the captain of the sons of Ephraim shall be Elishama the son of Ammihud. 2:19 And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were forty thousand and five hundred.

    2:20 And by him shall be the tribe of Manasseh: and the captain of the children of Manasseh shall be Gamaliel the son of Pedahzur. 2:21 And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were thirty and two thousand and two hundred.

    2:22 Then the tribe of Benjamin: and the captain of the sons of Benjamin shall be Abidan the son of Gideoni. 2:23 And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were thirty and five thousand and four hundred.

    2:24 All that were numbered of the camp of Ephraim were an hundred thousand and eight thousand and an hundred, throughout their armies. And they shall go forward in the third rank.

    2:25 The standard of the camp of Dan shall be on the north side by their armies: and the captain of the children of Dan shall be Ahiezer the son of Ammishaddai. 2:26 And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were threescore and two thousand and seven hundred.

    2:27 And those that encamp by him shall be the tribe of Asher: and the captain of the children of Asher shall be Pagiel the son of Ocran. 2:28 And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were forty and one thousand and five hundred.

    2:29 Then the tribe of Naphtali: and the captain of the children of Naphtali shall be Ahira the son of Enan. 2:30 And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were fifty and three thousand and four hundred.

    2:31 All they that were numbered in the camp of Dan were an hundred thousand and fifty and seven thousand and six hundred. They shall go hindmost with their standards.

    2:32 These are those which were numbered of the children of Israel by the house of their fathers: all those that were numbered of the camps throughout their hosts were six hundred thousand and three thousand and five hundred and fifty. 2:33 But the Levites were not numbered among the children of Israel; as the LORD commanded Moses.

    2:34 And the children of Israel did according to all that the LORD commanded Moses: so they pitched by their standards, and so they set forward, every one after their families, according to the house of their fathers." (Numbers 2:1-34 KJV)

    Fact Finder: When Jesus Christ delivers His people "out of this world" upon His return, will He do so as a military leader at the head of a great cavalry charge? Will "in righteousness he doth judge and make war"?
    Revelation 19:11-21 and see What Happens After The Messiah Returns?





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    This is a excellent talk....


     
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