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    wow that was a good work offer!!!!!...Now you know who was probably paying that wage....I think I read that before the internet days...or just about anyway...it’s a big eye opener to how super powers work isnt It.
    Another book you may like is THE FIVE CHIMNEYS...you may find it in the library or second hand book place.....I read that when I was about 14...it’s horrific...And about the Holocaust...true story...
    Also one which I know you will like..and it’s old...I think it’s called...THE FORGOTTEN SOLDIER....it’s about the average German soldier sent to the Russian front....experienced thru the eyes of the German foot soldier...again it’s horrific.
    I wish I still had these books...because I would make my grandkids read them...and I should have made my kids read them...They should be mandatory...so the young can read from those who experienced what war is really like....for their own benefit really.
     
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    BITTER WINTER

    A MAGAZINE ON RELIGIOUS LIBERTY AND HUMAN RIGHTS IN CHINA

    Fri, July 24, 2020


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    Russia Supports Chinese Persecution of Falun Gong
    07/24/2020MASSIMO INTROVIGNE |

    Seven NGOs supporting the spiritual movement have been banned by the Russian government. They include the anti-organ-harvesting organization DAFOH.
    by Massimo Introvigne

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    Falun Gong
    (法輪功). A large Chinese new religious movement, established by Li Hongzhi (李洪志) in 1992 and teaching both a variety of qi gong exercises and a spirituality rooted in the Three Teachings, with some New Age variations and overtones. Originally tolerated and even praised by the CCP as part of a legitimate revival of traditional Chinese health practices, it created concern in the authorities because of its rapid growth. It was banned in 1999, included in the list of the xie jiao, and severely persecuted.
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    practitioners in Irkutsk, Russia (from minghui.org)

    On July 17, the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom published a document denouncing the anti-Cult
    A term used by opponents to identify religious movements they regard as malignant or dangerous. Because of its judgmental and controversial use, it was largely abandoned by the academia since the 1980s, and replaced by “new religious movement.” The same derogatory role is played in German (sekte), French (secte), Italian (setta) and Spanish (secta) by words literally translating the English “sect.” In this context each of these terms should be translated as “cult” rather than “sect,” and vice versa “cult” in English should be translated as sekte, secte, setta, secta.
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    ideology in Russia. Bitter Winter noted how the document is important for China as well, as China and Russia co-operate and support each other in the repression of groups labeled as “extremist cults” in Russia and Xie Jiao
    (邪教). Often incorrectly translated as “evil cults,” the expression xie jiao (which has been used since the late Ming era) means “heterodox teachings” and indicates the religious movements included in the list of the xie jiao, which the government regards as hostile to the CCP, dangerous, and not “really” religious. Xie jiao are prohibited, constitute the black market of Chinese religion, and being active in a xie jiao is punished with severe jail penalties under Article 300.
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    in China.

    On July 20, the U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo issued a statement on the 21st anniversary of the persecution of Falun Gong in China, calling on the CCP
    It stands for Chinese Communist Party, which from 1949 controls all social and political life in China. Members of CCP should in principle be self-proclaimed atheists. The ultimate goal of CCP is suppression of religion. However, how this goal is achieved has varied during time, and after Chairman Mao’s death the CCP has acknowledged that, notwithstanding its efforts, religions may survive in China for a long time.
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    to immediately cease “its depraved abuse and mistreatment of Falun Gong practitioners.” The CCP reacted by calling Pompeo “the worst U.S. Secretary of State in history.”

    On the same anniversary day, July 20, the Russian government designated seven foreign NGOs connected with Falun Gong as “undesirable in Russia, following inspections carried out by the Russian Prosecutor General’s Office.”

    According to a statement of the Russian Prosecutor General’s Office, “As a result of a study of the materials received by the Prosecutor General’s Office of the Russian Federation, a decision was adopted to designate the activities of the following foreign non-governmental organizations as undesirable on the territory of the Russian Federation: World Organization to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong Inc. (WOIPFG, U.S.) Coalition to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong in China (U.S.), Global Mission to Rescue Persecuted Falun Gong Practitioners Inc. (GMRPFGP, U.S.), Friends of Falun Gong Inc. (U.S.), Doctors Against Forced Organ Harvesting (DAFOH, U.S.), Dragon Springs Buddhist Inc. (U.S.), and The European Falun Dafa
    (法輪大法). See Falun Gong.
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    Association (UK).”

    The list includes the highly respected Doctors Against Forced Organ Harvesting, an organization that denounces organ harvesting in China from prisoners of conscience and includes well-known medical doctors who are not members of Falun Gong.

    The Russian decision was loudly applauded by the China Anti-xie-jiao Association
     
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    Israel: Treatment of Jehovah's Witnesses, particularly by Orthodox Jews
    Publisher Canada: Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada
    Author Research Directorate, Immigration and Refugee Board, Canada
    Publication Date 1 March 1999
    Citation / Document Symbol ISR31498.E
    Cite as Canada: Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada, Israel: Treatment of Jehovah's Witnesses, particularly by Orthodox Jews, 1 March 1999, ISR31498.E, available at: https://www.refworld.org/docid/3ae6ac860.html [accessed 26 July 2020]
    Disclaimer This is not a UNHCR publication. UNHCR is not responsible for, nor does it necessarily endorse, its content. Any views expressed are solely those of the author or publisher and do not necessarily reflect those of UNHCR, the United Nations or its Member States.






    According to the Legal Counsellor for the Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI), there have been a few incidents involving "a small number of extremist anti-missionary groups against Jehovah Witnesses" in the past two years that received a sympathetic coverage from the press (23 Mar. 1999). The Legal Counsellor added that the Israeli police intervene in cases involving physical violence, but it becomes very difficult for them to find evidence in cases of verbal abuse. ACRI is currently handling two cases involving Jehovah Witnesses in Israel. In her opinion, in order to avoid problems with Orthodox Jews, Jehovah Witnesses should avoid conducting any of their missionary activities in their neighbourhoods, especially in Jerusalem.

    According to The Kansas City Star and The Commercial Appeal, Jehovah Witnesses have been attacked and harassed in Israel, but both newspapers fails to provide any additional information (27 July 1997; 22 July 1997). In a long article on Jehovah Witnesses in Israel published in The Jerusalem Post, Haim Shapiro states that regarding instances of attacks against Jehovah Witnesses,

    Surprisingly, the Witnesses have remained almost unnoticed on the local landscape, despite the fact that a group of assailants has broken into their Lod meeting hall several times during the past months. In one such incident, a group of ultra-Orthodox young men set fire to a pile of the group's Bibles and other religious literature and sang and danced around the bonfire. In another, the attackers, unable to break through the reinforced steel doors, broke through a concrete-block wall (10 Apr. 1998).

    Shapiro reported that a Rabbi, Ya'acov Glauberman, head of the Habad institutions in Lod, had called the Jehovah Witnesses the "worst cult in the world" (ibid.). The Rabbi indicated that Jehovah Witnesses are "very active in Lod specifically because it is an area of economic distress" (ibid.). Rabbi Glauberman "openly admits that Habad was involved in the attacks against the Witnesses in Lod" (ibid.). Glauberman added that

    Lod has always had a mix of Jews, Christians and Moslems, but none tried to convince others to change their faith. He says the Witnesses are pure missionaries, and insists the government should deport them (ibid.).

    In a 22 July 1997 document entitled United States Policies in Support of Religious Freedom: Focus on Christians and released by the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor Affairs, the Department of State indicated that

    The small community of Jehovah's Witnesses has faced harassment and occasional violent attacks by private citizens opposed to religious prosyletization. On March 8, 1997, a mob of over 250 Haredim (ultra-conservative Orthodox Jews) attacked the Lod meeting hall, broke into the building, destroyed the interior, and burned religious literature, books, and furnishings. The police stated that they were notified by bystanders too late to intervene.

    Members of Jehovah's Witnesses have reported being followed, and have also reported death threats. Police have occasionally evinced indifference to complaints, sometimes alleging that members of Jehovah's Witnesses proselytize without a permit (although there is no requirement or provision under Israeli law for such a permit). Police have warned that they would act to uphold the law if there was any further interference with anyone's right to worship.

    In his article, Shapiro explained that the central issue regarding the group's activities in Israel is missionary work among Jews (ibid.). He noted that

    The Jehovah's Witnesses are among the most aggressive proselytizers of all Christian groups, or of any religion for that matter. This missionary activity is such an intrinsic part of their creed that there was no chance of their joining in a statement published last week, in which many of Israel's Christian evangelicals undertook to refrain from engaging in any activity that would alienate the Jews from their tradition and community.

    Missionizing is only illegal in Israel if it involves the use of financial inducements (10 Apr. 1998).

    Undeterred by a bill proposed by United Torah Judaism Member of Knesset (MK) Moshe Gafni that would make it a crime for "unlawfully holding, copying, spreading, disturbing, or importing material which has an element of proselytizing", Eric Miller, spokesman for the movement in Israel, says his

    community was not approached to sign the no-proselytizing pledge, and would not have approved it even if it had. He says the Witnesses are well aware of the antagonism that their missionary activity engenders, but believe that God requires this activity of them (ibid.).

    According to Miller, there are about 850 Jehovah Witnesses in Israel with "an equal number of people are interested in their views and are studying the Bible with them" (ibid.). Miller added that "in his estimate, about one in every 10 people who reach the point of studying with the Witnesses actually join the community" (ibid.). There are Jehovah Witnesses groups in Haifa, Lod, Tel Aviv, Ashdod, Beersheba and in Bethlehem and Ramallah, cities under the control of the Palestinian Authority (ibid.). According to Miller, "although there are individual followers in Jerusalem, and they expect to have a congregation there in the future, ... it may not be easy for the Witnesses to act openly in the capital" (ibid.). In the article, Miller indicates "that the number of witnesses has doubled in this country [Israel] since 1993, at least partially because of the immigration of Russians, many of whom were members or sympathizers before coming to Israel" (ibid.).

    Quoting a specialist on religions at Haifa University, Shapiro reported that "the suffering the Witnesses underwent in the concentration camps has been to their benefit in Israel today. It was, he says, one of the reasons that a court ordered the Tel Aviv Municipality to grant them a building permit, after the city had refused to do so (ibid.). Regarding compulsory military service, Shapiro's article indicated that the Jehovah Witnesses beliefs were "crucial in their being released from army service" (ibid.).

    This Response was prepared after researching publicly accessible information currently available to the Research Directorate within time constraints. This Response is not, and does not purport to be, conclusive as to the merit of any particular claim to refugee status or asylum.

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    There is more to this article but for some reason I could not copy it all....
    We need to enjoy our brothers and sisters whilst we can....for soon we may have no choice in the matter...

    Sun, July 26, 2020


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    No Online Religious Activities Allowed Amid Coronavirus Outbreak
    03/03/2020DENG JIE |

    To curb the virus, China’s children study in virtual classrooms, employees are urged to work from home. But people of faith are banned from assembling online.
    by Deng Jie

    To contain the spread of COVID-19, places of worship in many countries stopped organizing regular gatherings and started streaming services online. For people of faith in China, such an option doesn’t exit – all such activities have been deemed illegal by the authorities.

    After their places of worship have been closed down amid the epidemic, believers on the mainland felt the need to communicate and seek spiritual guidance and comfort. They hoped to do this online but soon were faced with the government’s bans and crackdowns.

    On February 23, the Two Chinese Christian Councils in the eastern province of Shandong issued a notice, prohibiting live-streaming of religious services, as per instructions from the higher-ups.

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    The notice from the Two Chinese Christian Councils in Shandong, forbidding religious gatherings online.
    A former Three-Self church preacher from the southeastern province of Jiangxi, who continues to preach outside the state-run church, told Bitter Winter that in early February, just as he started an online gathering, the Internet police forcibly shut down the chatroom he used.

    The preacher said that he used to give sermons online for years, but since 2016, the government has started imposing increasingly harsh restrictions on online religious activities, and chatrooms he had created were frequently closed down. The situation has gotten worse since 2019: most of his online accounts have been blocked.

    In September 2018, China’s State Administration for Religious Affairs issued a draft regulation Measures for the Management of Religious Information on the Internet, which stipulates that “No organizations or individuals will be allowed to live-stream or broadcast religious activities, including praying, burning incense, worshipping or receiving baptism online in the form of text, photo, audio or video.”

    The following month after the document was released, believers all over China received warning messages, saying that they should not use in chatrooms and online groups sensitive words, such as “Amen” or “Jesus,” and are forbidden to post verses from the Bible or links related to religions. Otherwise, their online communities will be banned, and they will be summoned by the authorities.

    Religious information has always been one of the targets of the CCP’s censorship online. In an internal government document, issued by the Hinggan League, a prefecture-level subdivision of the Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, and exposed by Bitter Winter, local authorities are required to ensure “the tight management religious information online.” They are to use “religious online information officers” and develop a cohesive plan to control public opinion by investigating all online religious activities.
     
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    Some may find this helpful as to the difference between Islam and Christianity...you have to overlook her belief that God is Jesus....but the rest is well explained,,,interesting how she points out there are no other Prophets after Jesus quoting

    Hebrews1...
    Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means Of the prophets on many occasions and in many ways.
    2) NOW at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a SON whom he appointed heir of all things and through whom he appointed heir of all things and through whom he made the system of things.
    3) he is the reflection of Gods glory and the exact representation of his very beginning and he sustains all things by the WORD of his power and after he made a purification for our sins he sat down at the right hand of the majesty on high.

    So why should we be concerned about following a false prophet...or any prophet now.?
    EZEKIEL 14:10
    NIV
    They will bear their guilt the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him.

    ENGLISH STANDARD VERSION

    And they shall bear their punishment , the punishment of the prophet and the punishment of the inquirer shall be alike

    MESSAGE BIBLE
    IF a prophet is deceived and tells these idolaters the lies they want to hear I GOD get blamed for these lies . He won’t get by with it. I’ll grab him by the scruff of the neck and get him out of there. They will be equally guilty the prophet and the one who goes to the prophet so that the house of Israel will never again wander off my paths and make themselves filthy in their rebellions but will rather be my people just as I am their God The Master.

     
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    Buddhist.. Christians ..Islam ..being brought down in China

     
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    I have issues with this Allah and Yahweh! I don’t believe in the god of the Moslem’s, nor the god of the Trinitarians. Jesus in not “Yahweh”, nor is Yahweh Jesus! Trinitarians and Moslems are very much alike! They will not accept Yahweh/Jehovah being ONE. They, Trinitarians and Moslems, will not change their thinking.

    Well, I guess that I am like them in one way; I will never believe like them. I have the truth of the bible, and not “their truth”. The Allah that the Moslems believe in is the same false gods that are recorded in the bible. Both the Hebrew/Old Testament, and the Greek/New Testament have identified them for me. ( Ezekiel 14:9-11 NKJV )
     
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