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    And some people say there is no Creator??


     
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    I have always wondered why could not the 144,000 also do this...visit their family and serve the people this way as well???they could all take tirns in visiting ...just thoughts of thinking..who's probably wrong anyway ;)
    Genesis 28:10-17New International Version (NIV)
    Jacob’s Dream at Bethel
    10 Jacob left Beersheba and set out for Harran. 11 When he reached a certain place, he stopped for the night because the sun had set. Taking one of the stones there, he put it under his head and lay down to sleep. 12 He had a dream in which he saw a stairway resting on the earth, with its top reaching to heaven, and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it. 13 There above it[a] stood the Lord,and he said: “I am the Lord, the God of your father Abraham and the God of Isaac. I will give you and your descendants the land on which you are lying. 14 Your descendants will be like the dust of the earth, and you will spread out to the west and to the east, to the north and to the south. All peoples on earth will be blessed through you and your offspring.[b] 15 I am with you and will watch over you wherever you go,and I will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you.”

    16 When Jacob awoke from his sleep, he thought, “Surely the Lord is in this place, and I was not aware of it.” 17 He was afraid and said, “How awesome is this place! This is none other than the house of God; this is the gate of heaven.”


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    It is an interesting point that Job was not one of The Israelites that exsisted in his day..he was not part of Gods house or people at that time....I often think that has to signify something but I could be wrong


     
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    Yes, it does. It was a portent of things to come, like Naomi or the widow in 1 Kings 17.
     
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    I need to correct this thought I put forth because it is and was very misleading ...Job was not part of the ISRALITES Gods chosen people because the Isralites didn't exist at that time...So hence me Indicating he favoured a non Isralite to mean something. Actually means absolutely nothing...And rather misleading...So sorry everyone ...
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    Job was not an Israelite because he did not come from Israel, that is, Jacob. His genealogy is not known probably because he was not an Israelite. But we have the genealogy of Elihu: the son of Barachel the Buzite; Buz was the son of Nahor, Abraham's brother, that he had through Milcah, Lot's sister (Milcah was the daughter of Haran, Abraham's brother, and she married her uncle. One of her son became the father of Rebecca who married Abraham's son, Isaac… And we wonder why there are so many troubles in this area: they are all related, and family's troubles are the worst). There is a good chance that Job was related to Elihu in one way or another.
    It is said of Job that there is no one like him on the earth, he is an upright man of integrity, fearing God and shunning what is bad. So he lived before Moses seen that he is said to have been a man of integrity too. But he surely lived after Joseph, another man of integrity. We can conclude that his trials take place during the 400 years the sons of Israel were slaves in Egypt.
     
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    I’m posting up this talk or sermon by Spurgeon...he sounds very much like Russell ...he didn’t understand the trinity etc..and died late in the late eighteen hundreds...he has two talks on how Satan traps and makes our load heavy.....both are well worth listening to as it’s very applicable to today...his understanding is deep on this subject
     
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    Okay this is spurgeons second talk on Satan ...both of these talks are brilliant
     
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    This is the last one ....I find it very encouraging..perhaps even the best one...and it goes back to the 1700s...
    They are long talks I know and each should be listened to when you are quiet and have some peace to really appreciate what they are saying..
     
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    The flag of Australia. Credit: Rob Wilson/Shutterstock.
    Canberra, Australia, Sep 4, 2019 / 02:01 pm (CNA).- The president of the Law Council of Australia signalled dissatisfaction with the government's religious discrimination bill Wednesday. Among his concerns are its ability to bolster conscience protections for medical professionals who object to participating in abortion.

    Arthur Moses, head of the association of law societies and bar associations in Australia, addressed the bill in a Sept. 4 address to the National Press Club in Canberra.

    According to Guardian Australia, much of his criticism focused on the suggestion the bill could protect expressions of racial discrimination.

    The religious discrimination bill would make it unlawful to discriminate against people on the ground of their religious belief or activity; establish a religious freedom commissioner at the Australian Human Rights Commission; and amend existing laws regarding religious freedom, including marriage and charities law, and objects clauses in anti-discrimination law.

    It would protect religious speech under commonwealth, state, and territory law.

    The coalition government wants to make religious belief and activity a protected class, like race or sex. It also hopes to ensure that groups rejecting same-sex marriage are not stripped of their charitable status.

    In its current version, the bill would not protect religious statements that are “malicious, would harass, vilify or incite hatred or violence against a person or group or which advocate for the commission of a serious criminal offence”

    The draft bill was released last week for public consultation by attorney-general Christian Porter.

    Moses, in his prepared remarks to the National Press Club, said the Law Council welcomed the bill's release “not because we necessarily agree with the government’s approach or with every provision. But because this provides an opportunity for a discussion that is long overdue about what type of nation we want to be.”

    “An inclusive, tolerant and harmonious nation? A nation where people are vilified because of their sexuality in the name of religion? We need to get the balance right to ensure that there are no unintended consequences,” he stated, adding that “reasonable minds may differ about how we balance competing rights.”

    He urged that “as a starting point, we need to have a clear definition of what we understand freedom and liberty to mean.”

    Guardian Australia reported that Moses said the bill “doesn’t carry the same type of protection as section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act”.

    Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 makes unlawful offensive behaviour done publicly because of race, colour or national or ethnic origin if the act “is reasonably likely, in all the circumstances, to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person or a group of people.”

    Moses said that “the concept of offend and insult in section 18C is not to be found in this legislation – so the test is much more difficult to establish in relation to provisions of the religious freedom bill than what is currently contained in the Racial Discrimination Act.”

    He maintained that “this is an area where we have said you need to be very careful because some comments that are made do have an impact on the most vulnerable members of our community.”

    Moses also said the religious discrimination bill would allow employers to prohibit religious speech if they would suffer “unjustifiable financial hardship”.

    He called this “an interesting concept … there is a mirage of freedom of speech but it’s confined by the employer’s bottom line. I think that’s silly, with all due respect.”

    Australia's coalition government is led by the Liberal Party, which is joined by the National Party. The opposition Australian Labor Party is expected to back the bill.

    LGBT advocates are opposed to the bill, as it could override some provisions of Tasmanian law.

    Some conservative members of parliament have asked instead for a religious freedom bill.

    Senator Concetta Fierravanti-Wells, of the Liberal Party, voiced concerns July 9 that the bill does not go far enough, saying it “would be defensive in nature and limited to protecting against acts and practices by others which are discriminatory on the grounds of religion.”

    She said that “quiet Australians now expect the Coalition to legislate to protect their religious freedom.”

    The religious discrimination bill is being introduced to implement a commitment made in the 2019 federal election.

    A review of religious freedom in Australia was finished in May 2018, making 20 recommendations; among these was a Religious Discrimination Bill.

    The government has asked the Australian Law Reform Commission to report on how to balance competing claims of religious freedom rights and LGBT rights.

    Australia has seen debate over religious freedom in recent years with respect to the seal of the confessional, hiring decisions, and same-sex marriage.

    When same-sex marriage was legalized in Australia in 2017, efforts to include amendments that would protect religious freedom failed during parliamentary debate.

    Archbishop Anthony Fisher of Sydney noted last year that “we cannot take the freedom to hold and practice our beliefs for granted, even here in Australia,” and that “powerful interests now seek to marginalize religious believers and beliefs, especially Christian ones, and exclude them from public life. They would end funding to faith-based schools, hospitals and welfare agencies, strip us of charitable status and protections.”
     
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    Sometimes I am hesitant to put some of these talks up....as it’s impossible to attain to these standards ....and it feels unbelievable that even after a thousand years or judgement days...that we could even get half way to what he is talking about here.
    Yet I guess if we start the slow walk in the right direction..is all we can do...and when we stumble even many times ...we’ll he tells us to get back up....so we always have hope
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    The godly may trip seven times, but they will get up again, but one disaster is enough to overthrow the wicked

    Contemporary English Bible
    the Lord will hold your hand and if you stumble you still won’t fall


     
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    He seems to test us all when we are at our weakest...also he threw doubt over who Jesus was.....IF...IF..you are the son of God?????


     
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    This is an excellent explanation of the sign of Jonah...I like how he points out that 70AD is recognized by many biblical Scholars....not just us as I have read.
    Tho I don’t believe everything this channel believes....there are still truths to be found and they do it very well.
    I remember years ago from another faith the proper understanding of Gog of Magog...I remember thinking that it made much more sense to what we believed...years later the brothers changed the understanding to what I had read...and I believe the correct one...
     
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    Jehovah’s Witnesses in Xinjiang: How to Become a Xie Jiao

    06/21/2019MASSIMO INTROVIGNE

    The indictment of a group of Jehovah’s Witnesses confirms that Art. 300 of the Chinese Criminal Code is enforced against those who did not commit any crime other than spreading their beliefs.

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    Korla, Xinjiang, where the Jehovah’s Witnesses were arrested and indicted (credits).
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    Bitter Winter reported last week how, for the first time, a group of Jehovah’s Witnesses was indicted in Xinjiang for the crime of being active in a xie jiao (“heterodox teaching,” sometimes translated, inaccurately, as “evil cult”), even if the Jehovah’s Witnesses, as far as we know, are not part of the list of the xie jiao. ChinaAid deserves credit for having brought this important piece of news to our attention. In its Chinese edition, ChinaAid has published the full text of the indictment, of which we offer below an English translation. Often, we do not publish the name of those arrested or indicted to protect their relatives, but in this case all the names have already been published by ChinaAid in both its English and Chinese editions.

    The indictment is a useful and important document as it opens a window on how the Jehovah’s Witnesses operate in China. It also confirms that Art. 300 of the Chinese Criminal Code, contrary to false information the Chinese embassies continue to transmit to authorities dealing with refugees in various countries, is enforced against the members of groups listed, or regarded, as xie jiao who have not committed any common crime. The formula “using a xie jiao to undermine law enforcement” of Article 300 is interpreted as “being active in a xie jiao” in any capacity.This is true for hundreds of cases concerning Falun Gong and The Church of Almighty God, and is true for this indictment concerning the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    What are their “crimes”? Jehovah’s Witnesses are accused of “seriously disrupting public order” and “undermining law enforcement,” but these are generic formulas. What are they accused of doing in practice? The indictment explains that the “xie jiao organization ‘Jehovah’s Witnesses’ violated the national regulations of management of religions, establishing a congregation system in Korla, which recruited a membership of 63 persons, illegally using the name of Christianity, deifying ‘Jehovah,’ spreading superstition and heresy, […] using regular meetings to control thoughts of the believers and to collect money, influencing the normal religious belief of the masses.”

    As usual in xie jiao cases, the atheistic CCP pretends to define the true nature of Christian orthodoxy. The Jehovah’s Witnesses are accused of “illegally using the name of Christianity” (the CCP reserves to right to decide who is or is not Christian) and of “spreading superstition and heresy” and “influencing the normal religious belief of the masses” (note that the Chinese Constitution protects only “normal” religion—but it is the CCP that decides what is “normal”). All religions have “regular meetings” and “collect money,” and accusing minority religions of “controlling thoughts of the believers,” or “brainwashing” them, is as old as discrimination. It is bizarre to accuse the Jehovah’s Witnesses to “deify Jehovah.” Since Jehovah is one of the names of God used in the Torah, which the Christians call the Old Testament, all Jews and Christians “deify Jehovah.” All these are clearly crimes of opinion and expressions of the religious liberty guaranteed by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR).

    The United Nations themselves interpret Art. 18 UDHR, on freedom of thought, conscience or religion, stating that, “the terms ‘belief’ and ‘religion’ are to be broadly construed. Article 18 is not limited in its application to traditional religions or to religions and beliefs with institutional characteristics or practices analogous to those of traditional religions. The [United Nations] therefore views with concern any tendency to discriminate against any religion or belief for any reason, including the fact that they are newly established, or represent religious minorities that may be the subject of hostility on the part of a predominant religious community” (General Comment no. 22 CCPR). Certainly, governments are not authorized to rule on what is “Christian,” “orthodox” or “heretic,” and what name of God believers should use.

    The indictment mentions also “crimes” specific of the Jehovah’s Witnesses and not normally ascribed to other xie jiao. These are “advocating and propagating the thoughts of so-called ‘political neutrality,’ ideas of not attending patriotic education, refusing military service (including attendance at military training), not joining the Communist Party, not joining the Youth League, not hoisting the national flag, not singing the national anthem, not saluting the national flag.” Scholars of Jehovah’s Witnesses are very familiar with these accusations. Indeed, the Jehovah’s Witnesses do maintain an attitude of “political neutrality.” They do not vote, do not join political parties, do not serve in the army (they are conscientious objectors), do not salute the flag nor sing the national anthem. Most democratic countries in the world, starting from the United States and the countries in the European Union, have recognized that this attitude derives from the peculiar theology of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, who are otherwise law-abiding citizens, and should be accepted as part of their religious liberty.

    Note, also, that the first set of crimes, i.e. spreading their beliefs, would be at any rate enough to apply to them Art. 300, as evidenced by cases concerning other movements accused of being xie jiao.
     
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    Christianity under threat in Australia.
    Keep in mind that Australia’s population is 25.6 million.
    This can be achieved and manipulated easily..it’s already happening .
    Israel Folau is a rugby player...he’s a interesting case to watch.as to what may or is happening in Australia.
     
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    This is what CHARLES TAZE RUSSELL actually thought. Sorry but I cannot delete the poem...

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    Hi Thinking.
    Somewhere along the line, I wrote this ( Sept 7th ) in response to something you wrote. I got distracted and I didn’t get around to posting it. But, I think the message is still there. ;)

    Here it is.

    It shows how much Jehovah, deep within, truly loves His creation. I’m sure that His Son has been taking our part in asking for forgiveness, right from the beginning. Michael-Jesus also loved us so much that He suffered a cruel-painful death to pay that price, to give us a chance for eternal life in His Kingdom. That is; if WE are Willing to follow in His footsteps. Just as a thought; How many of us would, today, be willing to give our life to save other people? Hmmmmmmm. About the only ones I could think of, number less than 100. And half of those are close relatives!

    Can you visualize Jesus standing there, “Hmmm, that one! Not that one! That one! Oh . . Wait a minute. Here’s a replay of the time they . . . Oh . . OK, that one.” Etc, etc, etc.
     

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