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    Of course Trump will be the fierce looking king. His persecution of the saints will finally refine a total number of anointed so that God's kingdom can begun to operate.

    How else would there be a change for better spirituality?
     
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    Dear Jan,

    We've had tons of "Of course that it'll happen this way" in the past....

    I remember about 4 or 5 years ago, there were US warships heading South-East towards Iran and a certain brother everyone here has some respect for said that WWIII and a nuclear showdown were imminent as a result...

    I invite you to the aperitif of the survivors just after this umpteenth kind of doomsday prediction falls flat once more.... :p

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    Basically, on both occasions, Jerusalem wasn't destroyed directly because of its sins. It only lost God's protection. It was destroyed because they refused to submit to the KOTN of each epoch and fought for their freedom, arguing that God would not let his people, capital city and temple on their own device. As the Israelites didn't want to submit to God and complained about Him, the latter kind of let them experience how a human master would treat them instead, especially in the case of a rebellion...

    They didn't see the new threat as it truly was and when the modern KOTN starts threatening the GB, they may not see this situation either as it truly is and may begin to play a spiritual hero, saying that only God is their master. This kind of situation is very tricky and ambiguous but Jehovah always sends prophets beforehand for the spiritual and honest-hearted ones to see through it and be saved.
     
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    Utuna, this time I think the Governing body will make a compromise (in faith) with the master dealer Donald Trump.

    They have already shown their tendency to go along with those who have political power. For example WT wrote articles in favor of UN. And they are still discouraging to read and believe "conspiracy theories".
    Of course they are afraid to do anything that would upset the power elite in USA.

    Daniel 11 tells the future that they, GB will let the KON to lead them into apostacy.

    Daniel 11:31 “And they will put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation.+
    32 “And those who act wickedly against the covenant, he will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words.

    The question is how many of the organization-idolizing brothers and sisters will follow them in their apostasy?
    That is when the wicked slave will persecute the faithful slaves.
     
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    Utuna, it should not be so hard to read the signs in what time we live. Look at how Jesus pointed at that:

    Luke 12:54 Then he also said to the crowds: “When you see a cloud rising in the west, at once you say, ‘A storm is coming,’ and it happens. 55 And when you see that a south wind is blowing, you say, ‘There will be a heat wave,’ and it occurs. 56 Hypocrites, you know how to examine the appearance of earth and sky, but why do you not know how to examine this particular time?

    So let's now see which signs fit Donald Trump in the prophecy:
    Daniel 8:23 a fierce-looking king (Donald Trump is fierce-looking) who understands ambiguous sayings (Donald Trump understands ambiguous questions he gets and is clever in answering them) will stand up. 24 His power will become great, but not through his own power. He will bring ruin in an extraordinary way,* and he will be successful and act effectively (Donald Trump is a effectively acting man). He will bring mighty ones to ruin, (Already Donald Trump promises to take on mighty ones) also the people made up of the holy ones.+ 25 And by his cunning (Media portrays Donald Trump as cunning) he will use deception to succeed; (Media accuses Donald Trump for deceitful statements to gain votes and he succeeds) and in his heart he will exalt himself (Donald Trump really all the time boasts) ; and during a time of security* he will bring many to ruin. He will even stand up against the Prince of princes, but he will be broken without human hand.

    So there you have many signs that fit Donald Trump already.
    What are the odds that an other "king" in our lifetime would fit that description better than Donald Trump.
    If you understand the odds and what are the possibilities you could easily conclude that Donald Trump is that king.

    Now it is less than a year till election.
    So you don't have to wait for long. But the persecution of the saints begins after September 23, 2017 according to the celestial alignment described in Revelation 12.
     
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    Good. Bad. Stupid. Outspoken Trump king of simple speech

    Good. Bad. Stupid. When it comes to his choice of words, Donald Trump keeps it simple.

    So simple, in fact, that even a nine-year-old can get what the outspoken Republican White House hopeful is saying.

    That's according to a test developed for the US Navy that assesses the complexity of an English text by looking at sentence length and counting syllables.

    When this Flesch-Kincaid method is applied to the opening and closing statements made during the last Republican debate, the GOP frontrunner takes the cake for poorest vocabulary among the nine contenders who faced off in Las Vegas on December 15.

    It reveals that a mere seven per cent of the words used by Trump in a minute and a half had more than three syllables, meaning that even children as young as nine or 10 would have been able to understand him.

    Trump caused astonishment this week by appearing to coin an obscene neologism - "schlonged", derived from a Yiddish term for penis - to disparage his Democrat rival Hillary Clinton.

    But the billionaire businessman typically favours basic, brief words such as "good", "bad" and "great" for getting his point across on the campaign trail.

    "If I'm elected president, we will win again. We will win a lot. And we're going to have a great, great country, greater than ever before," Trump promised at the end of the debate.

    The tycoon sums up his foreign policy in equally simple terms, for instance describing Syrian President Bashar al-Assad as a "bad guy, very bad guy".

    Elaborate speeches deceptive?

    "Donald Trump tries to reassure his audience by appealing to our elementary political instinct," said Peter Lawler, a political science professor at Berry College and author of a book on American political rhetoric.

    "He uses simple, repetitive words."

    "Some part of the population associates simplicity in rhetoric to honesty," added Matthew Baum, a communications professor at Harvard University's John F Kennedy School of Government.

    "They think that elaborate speeches are too deceptive."

    The 69-year-old tycoon often employs the term "stupid" to describe his rivals and the current government.

    "We are being run by stupid people. I used to say incompetent. But stupid is really, you know, is the next stage," he said earlier this month.

    The real-estate magnate's campaign trail bombast - including extraordinary comments that stunned many observers - appears to have done him no harm in the polls as he solidifies the frontrunner status he has maintained since late July.

    A new national CNN/ORC poll of Republican and Republican-leaning registered voters has Trump leading with 39 per cent support, more than twice that of his nearest competitor Senator Ted Cruz on 18 per cent.

    So how do Trump's Republican rivals measure up when it comes to their lexicon?

    The estimated age necessary for understanding the statements of other candidates at the last primary debate fluctuated between 11 years for senator Rand Paul and 15 years for fellow lawmaker Ted Cruz or retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson.

    The share of words with more than three syllables in the statements of the other participants was 14 per cent on average, double that for Trump.

    Cruz used 24 per cent of "complex" words, while former Florida governor Jeb Bush used 15 per cent.

    "The other candidates study a lot before the debates, and their answers seem scripted," Lawler said.

    "Trump says whatever he has in mind. But in my opinion he does that on purpose, he knows what he is doing."

    The leader of the Republican pack used such simplistic rhetoric during the debate to touch on the Islamic State group's use of the Internet.

    "We should be able to penetrate the Internet and find out exactly where ISIS is and everything about ISIS," he said, using an alternate acronym for the extremists.

    "And we can do that if we use our good people."

    Lawler said it didn't seem to matter to some potential voters that Trump lacks insight in some fields.

    "There are some subjects where he has no knowledge at all, but people don't seem to care," he said.

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    Trump reminds me of Georges Frêche, the late mayor of Montpellier. He had the same gall/cockiness as Trump but what Georges Frêche said was much more intelligent even though it wasn't subtle at all...

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    I have always been elected by a majority of morons.

    Yes, what I'm telling you is obvious. Ah, if the people would use their wits but they don't use their wits, they use their gut. Politics are a matter of gut, it's not a matter of wits, and that's why, when I'm on a campaign trail, I don't do it for the intelligent people. There are only 5-6% of intelligent people. Three out of them are for me and the three other ones are against me. I'm not making any change this way. Therefore, I campaign for the morons and now, I get votes in mass.

    At last, I'm doing now what's of interest to me, as a President of Region, I help the high schools, I help the research and next time I go on campaign, within 2 years in order to be elected again, I'll do it in favor of popular tripes, not in favor of intelligent things that I should have done. Do you think that the people care if I built the dykes of the Rhône higher ? The people care about the dykes only when they get overflowed, and they forget them afterwards. They don't care about them, the dykes of the Rhône, they don't care about them but after the next flood, they'll complain and say that I did nothing. So, if I put a lot of money on the dykes, I won't get any vote in return but contrariwise, if I give out chocolate boxes for Christmas to the elderlies of Montpellier, I'll get slews of votes in return.


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    The people don't thank us. Yes, they never thank anyone. The morons never say thank you. The morons are the majority and I have always been elected by a majority of morons and it is been going on this way because I know how to bamboozle them. I bamboozle the morons with my funny face, I crack bawdy jokes, etc... It works like crazy ! They say : Wow, he's funny, he's intelligent but he's like us. When the people say "he's like us", you did it ! They'll vote for you ! Because the people vote for those who are like them, you must try to be like them.

    For the moment being, the catalans are bothering me. I'm getting them having a hard time because they bother me but in two years, I'll start loving them. I'll go back to them and tell them : "My God, I was wrong. Please, forgive me !" They'll say : "He's intelligent" and they will forgive me and will have to put up with me for six years more. It's a game and at the end of the day, it makes me laugh. In the past, I would do this seriously but now, I'm so used to it that it cracks me up.

    The morons are morons and they feel good in their stupidity. Why should we change them, why do you want to change them ? If you ever manage to make the intelligent people go from 6 to 9 percent and to even 11, you won't be able to get it higher. But the morons are cool and I feel good when I'm with them. I play cards, I play pétanque. I feel good with the morons because I like them, the first doesn't impede the second. But later, when you are right about something, they'll say you're right but only 3 or 4 years later.


    He also said once, I can't retrieve it :

    During my political life, I've been nine times on a campaign trail. The first four ones, I was giving intelligent speeches, explaining in detail what I wanted to do with numbers, maps, economic theories and whatnot. I got licked each time. Then I got to understand how things really work. I would go to the market places to meet people, drink a cup of wine, eat saucisson with them, make small talk with them and crack bawdy jokes and it worked like crazy. I won in flying colors all the following elections without even talking about my political projects....
     
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    I can't resist translating that one.... lol

    The English are a wonderful people but their chow would kill whole families, and that's why they all come to France. They aren't stupid, you know. That's why they have colonized the whole world. The one who said it best was Disraeli, the first great Prime Minister of England at the end of the XIXth century. He said one day to the Empress Victoria.... He said : "Do you know why the English have colonised the world ?" It was when the English were ruling over the two third of the planet, and as Victoria was looking attentively at her Prime Minister, he replied... On top of that, he was a Jew with an extraordinary sense of humour... "Well, Majesty, it's so they can flee from their food...!" Now, that's a good one ! The cooking from Kenya, from India or from South Africa is much better than the English cooking... I have no idea how they manage to cook their food so badly... and they won't give up on it ever....
     
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    Jan wrote :

    Interesting that Donald Trump is hinting on a government shutdown.
    He seems to like the idea itself.

    This fits again well the prophecy in Revelation about a death stroke to one of the beast's heads.

    3 I saw that one of its heads seemed to have been fatally wounded, but its mortal wound had been healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration. 4 And they worshipped the dragon because it gave the authority to the wild beast, and they worshipped the wild beast with the words: “Who is like the wild beast, and who can do battle with it?”

    And during the government shutdown Donald Trump could through a government bankruptcy get rid of a lot of government dept.
    And get the American economy on feet back as never again.

    Then he could start to blaspheme God and his servants. And he would really be able to deliver blasphemies as no one else.

    See how the Revelation continues:
    5 It was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and it was given authority to act for 42 months. 6 And it opened its mouth in blasphemies against God to blaspheme his name and his dwelling place, even those residing in heaven. 7 It was permitted to wage war with the holy ones and conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.


    And as the prophecy says this beast gets then authority over every nation.
    Already Putin expressed his admiration for Donald Trump. So instead of the current animosity between USA and Russia, they would start to work together as a global power.
    Surely they would like to brake (war against) the Islamic world and take their resources.
     
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    Frank replied :

    Hi Jan:

    Settle down my man! You don't live in the U.S. do you? Yeah, I didn't think so. Well, let me fill you in on something before you go trying to fit a 10" square peg in a 3 inch prophetic circle. There is the threat of a government shutdown almost every budget cycle which is every year. Also, Donald Trump has absolutely no say in if there is a government shutdown or not, as he is a private citizen and not a member of the Senate or the Congress.

    But, even all that does not matter any more. The Congress passed a 1.2-1.7 Trillion Dollar budget bill that will keep the "lights on" for another year until the next threat. Even more interesting is that it was passed at I think 2 a.m. and none of those that voted for its passage even took the time to read even one page of the 2,000+ page bill. It would be better for the people of the U.S. if the Government would shut down. They don't do anything of any value anyway.

    I don't think you'll have to worry about Trump becoming President. He is an outsider and clearly not the choice of the powers that be that appoint Presidents. If he comes even close to being elected he will be "assassinated", "suicided" or die in a "car accident" or "plane crash", if you get my meaning.

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    Jan answered :

    Frank, I don't think the highest level of establishment, the Illuminati are against Donald Trump. Illuminati has purposedly created this desperate situation when people will welcome a dictatorial president that will trash/change the constitution, a situation when people will be happy if they just get food everyday.

    See what Ron Paul says about Donald Trump, that he is really a establishment man.
    It is just theatre that media criticizes him. Those who control the media could just ignore him as they do with Bernie Sanders, who gets 25 times less time on the media.
    And the media admits the more they cover Donald Trump the more his popularity grows.
    If the Illuminati really did not favor him they would not let him be covered so much.


    Here is the video where Ron Paul tells what he thinks about Donald Trump's connection to the establishment.
     
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    That sums it up pretty well...
     
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    Hi Jan:

    If the people that "really" run this world want Donald Trump to be President of the United States, that is what will happen. It really doesn't matter who is President as they are only marionettes. If Trump is not the choice but continues to get the support he is getting, don't be surprised if he "has an accident" or "suicides" himself. Satan has a wll oiled machine and no one gets to the positions of power in the system without his approval. That's how I see it.

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