Tuesday, December 30

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    Tuesday, December 30


    They loved the glory of men
    more than even the glory of
    God.

    —
    John 12:43.


    How human glory can obscure divine glory can be illustrated by comparing glory to light.
    Our brilliant universe is abundantly glorious.

    Do you remember when you last looked into the sky on a clear night
    and found yourself encompassed by thousands of stars?
    “The glory of the starsâ€￾ is awe-inspiring. (1 Cor. 15:40, 41)

    When viewed from the street of a well-lit city, though,
    how does the same sky appear? Why, city lights make it
    almost impossible for us to see the light emanating from distant stars!
    Is this so because the lights from roads, stadiums, and buildings
    are stronger or more beautiful than starlight?

    No!

    This happens because city lights are closer to us and they interfere
    with what we can perceive of Jehovah’s creation.

    Similarly, if the wrong kind of glory were too close to our hearts,
    it could prevent us from appreciating and seeking the enduring
    glory that Jehovah is willing to bestow.
    w13 2/15 4:6, 8, 9

     
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    This video belongs here...

    [video=youtube_share;feNUM55A3y8]http://youtu.be/feNUM55A3y8[/video]
     
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    Why don't y'all let the dogs bark... ONCE AND FOR ALL !

    Don't y'all have better things to do in your lives, for the sake of your families and for God and Christ's glory ? Don't you have other things to care about than what the GB says ?

    Ça me fout en l'air, ça !

    Satan throws rotten bones right at your face laughing out loud so you may greedily gnaw them and... YOU DO IT, and you thank him for that !

    Come on, when will you wake and wise up, at last !?!?

    "“With whom shall I compare this generation? It is like young children sitting in the marketplaces who cry out to their playmates, saying, ‘We played the flute for YOU, but YOU did not dance; we wailed, but YOU did not beat yourselves in grief.’ Correspondingly, John came neither eating nor drinking, yet people say, ‘He has a demon’; the Son of man did come eating and drinking, still people say, ‘Look! A man gluttonous and given to drinking wine, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ All the same, wisdom is proved righteous by its works.â€" - Mat. 16:11-19

    Edit: Josh, this post has nothing to do with yours. As you already know, I'm pissed lately... What a waste of time and lives for nothing, for nothing in return !
     
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    I'm up Utoo , go check yer email on FB
     
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    That's my T. Rex side... :p

    I'm bored reading stuff from people who want to teach us what the HS is and how it can guide us all through our Christian life blah blah blah when they aren't better than the guys who stoned Stephen... for God's glory !
     
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    It stinks .. we are stuck at the moment, but we've been stuck since 2C really, and I think the implicit solution you presented above is the best.

    But I don't think these lives were for nothing, it all works according to Jehovah's plan. Even the apostasy, JWs being misdirected, etc, will be redirected towards Jehovah's will.

    Would we even be Christians today hadn't the Jews become apostate? All of those in the Jewish system who were delivering the messiah for 2000 years in labor pains were PRIVILEGED to have done so!

    Worst case scenario, this is you-tuna:

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    Yes, that's Utoo-Zilla ! :p

    In my comments, I put everyone in the same bag, those who know the TATT* and the R&F JWs.

    As Christians, shouldn't we have Christ as a model and example to follow ? Can you imagine Jesus on earth telling to himself whilst he was being slapped and spat at in the face : "I can't wait to get outta here at last ! There's no love on this planet ! And they are so dense and bungling in everything they do, think and say !" ?

    Can we call ourselves Christians and yet be as cold and mean before the suffering of others as were the Pharisees of old ?

    "Then David added: “Jehovah, who delivered me from the paw of the lion and from the paw of the bear, he it is who will deliver me from the hand of this Phi·lis′tine." - 1 Sam. 17:37

    "The hired man, who is no shepherd and to whom the sheep do not belong as his own, beholds the wolf coming and abandons the sheep and flees—and the wolf snatches them and scatters them — because he is a hired man and does not care for the sheep." - John 10:12-13

    What example did Jesus set when he was on earth ? Did he tell us to institute flight as a Christian way of life ?!?!?! Are we Christians or hired men ? Some people don't even ask themselves the question since the concept of love is absent from everything they say and do.

    It's all about knowledge, prayer to receive knowledge, understanding and so forth. Is it the only thing that Holy Spirit is supposed to give... knowledge and understanding ? Knowledge and understanding of what ? Of how comfy the couch at home feels while so many b/s suffer and need help, it being inside or outside the congregation ?

    Is to be spiritual synonymous of being knowledgeable ?

    What about the fruitage of the spirit ? What about the Golden Rule ?

    "But the wisdom from above is first of all chaste, then peaceable, reasonable, ready to obey, full of mercy and good fruits, not making partial distinctions, not hypocritical. Moreover, the fruit of righteousness has its seed sown under peaceful conditions for those who are making peace." - James 3:17

    If there are wolves inside the organisation and that all those who think outside the box flee like "bats out of hell", who will help the sheep ? Who will try and protect the sheep ?

    That's the very reason why I pissed ! The lobotomized ones among the JWs swear only by knowledge and therefore scathe and shun the weak and those who don't think like them, and those who know the TATT swear only by knowledge and scathe and shun the JWs because the latter ones scathed and shunned them first.

    Where is love in all of this ? Is that what Jesus taught us and how he acted when he was on earth ?

    "...Jesus, having loved his own that were in the world, loved them to the end." - John 13:1

    Shouldn't we strive instead to have what I used to call the "butterfly point of view" ? Just for example what you may think when you are in a sinking dinghy with two kids and that they are both quarrelling about candies... The kind of feeling you have when you are admiring beautiful photos of the earth and that it all reminds you that our daily strifes are nothing in comparison and that there are higher levels of awareness and understanding ? Is it so hard to have a mature and shrewd point of view regarding a given situation ? A point of view that Jesus and Jehovah showed and taught us to have ?

    If you pray for Holy Spirit and that the only thought you come up with afterwards is to flee... That idea wasn't from Holy Spirit but was just a figment of your mind because when Holy Spirit is at work, it shows !

    Ok, we've all been in dire situations and may have witnessed and/or gone through all sorts of cases of injustice. Being peeved and outraged are natural and human feelings but to invoke love of truth as a pretext to leave in the lurch those who suffer and might need our help, that's not natural, not spiritual but fleshly.

    * Truth About The Truth
     
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    And that which I explained above is all the more vital for the anointed ones !

    Just imagine, a husband and a wife who have children and the wife, complaining that the husband neglects and bullies the kids, decides to tell him off once and for all for this and then leaves the house as a result (leaving the kids too on their own devices), as a way to protest against the situation, just to scathe the husband time and again later on on internet for his brutal ways.

    In what is this behaviour logical ?

    What is the priority, the most important factor here at stake in such a situation ?

    How can they scathe the GB for their lack of love and empathy towards the sheep whereas they flee the fold out of anger because of the GB's ways ?

    That's beyond me !
     
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    ahh , many of us didn't flee the "fold" we were thrown out
    unceremoniously in the midst of "a severe life crisis" and
    it has been made known that the only way back is
    groveling submission to the "GB" ....sighs ....sighs sighs
     
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    Yes, I know and am unfortunately "more-than-I-wish-I-were" aware of all of this. As you already know, I'm convinced that our Lord is not stupid, to say the least, and that he knows what's going on and that which each of his faithful anointed b/s (among many other sincere Christians) must go through just to do the least/best they can... (which means that I'm sure he keeps a very tender eye on you....).

    The past is the past, nobody can change it and, for some of us, the decisions we all made at some point in our lives were the best we thought we could take back then, so I don't intend to question them here nor am I judging anyone here about anything.

    I just want personal questions to pop up in everyone's head, deep inside, where things usually take place between Jehovah and y'all only...
     
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    I'm catching up with Robert's latest articles and after having read his excellent one entitled "Is the Bridegroom here ?", I started reading the comments below and cracked up at what he answered to someone because that's exactly what I meant when I talked about the comfy couch at home in one of the posts above :

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    If you remove what is related to knowledge from some JWs* (and others), they're bored in their lives and in the kind of worship they think they owe to God.

    Prov 18:1 - NASB
    "He who separates himself seeks his own desire,
    He quarrels against all sound wisdom.
    "

    Here is an interesting comment about the verse above :

    Prov. 18:1-2
    "A loner seeks a pretext,
    where one needs prudence, he is exposed.
    A fool does not care for discerning
    but for exposing his inner thoughts.
    "

    1. A loner seeks a pretext. The received text reads "desire", ta' awah. The translation follows the Septuagint, which reflects to'einah, "pretext."

    where one needs prudence, he is exposed.
    The Hebrew says merely "wherever prudence, he bursts out," or "is exposed"; "one needs" has been added in translation as an interpretative guess. The sense of the whole verse might be : a person cut off from other people constantly looks for a quarrel and by doing so shamefully exposes his own weaknesses in the very situations that call for prudence.

    2. A fool does not care for discerning. This proverb on the lack of discretion is paired thematically with the preceding proverb. There are several such pairings in this chapter.

    his inner thoughts. Literally, "his heart."
    The Wisdom Books - Robert Alter
    *I'm not implying here that the brother is stupid or else but that his question is typical of what many people think and believe deep inside.
     
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    If you wanna know why I posted that picture, please read the post above.... :) :(

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