Joe said; "There is a predestination thing that I do not even claim to understand that is spoken of in scripture and yet there it is." And he quoted the scriptures that follows the thinking of Christians through the ages; Romans 8...Ephesians 1. Now...what we may agree upon is that the whole concept of a sacrifice for sin, and a government selected from among earthly hopefuls would be selected...was all in the planning stage before earth was even physically formed. Even Christ himself, was possibly pre-planned to become a human someday, to experience for himself the real experience for he LOVES us as his newest brothers and sisters/ sons/whatever place we have in his heart. So...he KNEW we are self-effacing, and sacrificing, and unselfish in love as he designed it in us from the start. So....like a faithful father, mother, or grandparent, even....knowing SOMEONE was going to kick-off the ball, and eat from the tree, or experiment with freedom of choice....it was a given that OTHERS would suffer because of childbirth, neighbor, or 'collateral damage', if you will...and the Creators would have to instruct us in what to do to restore the balance. Isn't this exactly what They have done? The Big Picture. Again, I relate the concept that we are not all alone in this universe, as we all know already. Did God see the future? Maybe. Maybe he only needed to see what was before him: that is....billions of creatures he/they created...with freedom to chose good and bad. KNOWING many would chose ...BAD. Knowing death and destruction was PART of the payment for HIS decision to bring 'freedom to choose 'good or bad'. sin and death is a payoff...just as eternal life is. Sugar....look at sugar. High energy. But lasts only a little while, and side-effects are 'iffy'...weight gain, tooth decay...gut worms/ mold, and whatever else sugar addicts into our lives. But...are we going to say sugar is evil? Because God created sugar...beets, cane, stevia.? Look at human choice. Materialism, works of the flesh. Temporary gratification. Greed, lust, murder, capitalists running amok...wherever you look...people getting 'high' even temporarily on drugs.....and destroying their lives and others just for that moment of pleasure. Stupid? Oh yeah. So...will we blame God? The world does. But they do not give him credit for their life, nor do they accept the blame for being lazy, selfish, stubborn, and too independent on their own deviousness, to walk with God to hammer out the tougher, yet wise, and eternal choices. God and Christ always seem to us to 'take the long way home'. Yet, we ALWAYS...in the end....see their wisdom. Christ's sacrifice, the Kingdom of the Sons of God, our suffering and a life of trials, has been planned from the beginning. The Kingdom is a shield for earth, in a powerful and real place whereby mankind well never have to worry about being over-ran by beings from elsewhere who come with more knowledge, power, and invisibility....EVER AGAIN! The BUCK STOPS HERE! Joe, myself, and many other anointed feel it inside. The determination to fight. Fight for you, here on this site. We can't wait to get the power to... with Christ ....grab these demons and punish them for what they've done. And we can't wait to feed the hungry. Stop the slaughter of animals....humans, children... Aahhhgg! and the Resurrection.....!!!!??? Icing on the cake, baby! Wonderful...praise Father and Son. Rejoice brothers and sisters. All good things come to those who wait. We are EAGERLY AWAITING THE revealing of the Sons of God! Are we so shortsighted, that we cannot see THEY would have planned ahead before they created us? Might we think God and Christ that stupid? To place a poisonous tree right in the middle of the place they and all their kids would live, and not think about the ramifications ? This is HOW I know the GB is not anointed, really...or I strongly suspect nobody that has resided in power at Bethel for at least 70,80 years has the spirit. Because average publishers and people in Christendom are figuring these things out, and down through the ages too....but Bethel seems like a bunch of idiots, to me...really! It is obvious they are not even trying or maybe Christ has put a veil upon their eyes so the Good News is not entering their hearts. Anyways...not my place to judge...I know.! I know! ....OK!