what when how who is the slave that is to do the feeding?

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    Dear John,

    Has the following already taken place ?

    Matt 10:19-20 (NIV)
    "But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you."

    Mark 13:11 (NIV)
    "Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit."

    Luke 21:14-15 (NIV)
    "But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves. For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict."

    If it had happened, we'd know about it, wouldn't we ? (and I won't talk about the context of those verses...)

    Can we imagine unfaithful anointed ones receiving such a level of knowledge and understanding through direct or even indirect means ? let's say by being taught by the faithful ones and later using it for their own personal agenda ? as it's always been for centuries ?
     
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    Question:

    Why do we think of Jesus' words regarding the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" as a prophecy, when in fact they were simply a parable?

    Eden
     
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    Maybe that the GB has gone too far in interpretating that parable but it does correspond to a reality to come anyway.
     
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    There has been studies lately about why young people who live in poverty and who have had no access to real education were more prone to be violent than others. Psychologists concluded that most resort to violence for lack of means to express their feelings. The studies show that some of the young adults involved in violent situations, had for some of them, less than 400 words of vocabulary (average adult: 3 000 words used, 24 000 understood)*. We all know that converting feelings into words help us, humans, to reduce our emotional stress whenever we have it and that lack of communication means, because of lack of vocabulary or difficulties to contain the emotional overflow, ends up into frustration, anger and physical or verbal abuse.

    Haste, overeaction, adamant frame of mind and polar thinking aren't courage, wisdom and love for the Truth.

    * From here.

    Frustration about inability to express thoughts in words too often results in physical aggressiveness. It is interesting to note that the Laboratory has found that the nation’s vocabulary level has been decreasing for some years, while crime has been increasing. Strong aptitudes and low vocabulary can spell trouble. This is especially true for those with high inductive reasoning. One in nine teenagers scores high in inductive reasoning but low vocabulary. With high vocabulary and inductive reasoning, law, diplomacy, editorial work and government can be outlets. Without vocabulary, the same aptitude gropes angrily for ideal forms of government, social justice and reforms, and may find expression in violence, protestations, and rebellions of many kinds in an attempt to realize hopes envisioned by this strong aptitude.

    Hey Josh, check this.... ! :p

    "The word order of English is, of course Anglo-Saxon, but the words that give subtlety and precision are Latin."

    Words that come from Latin are the key to pukka English... ;) (that's a private joke... lol)
     
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    Utuna I think you have a point here, my daughter claims to be more intelligent than her partner, and when they argue he gets heated up and angry because of his lack of vocabulary and his inability to argue on her level..it's really sad, if she was more inclined to heed the bible, she would win him over by trying to show him a little respect..Instead he has now decided to leave than keep fighting a losing battle.:(
     
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    and there are also people who push constantly others' buttons on purpose in order to get a reaction and accuse them afterwards of having a problem with self-control... lol Not so uncommon !
     
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    ANYTHING we now hear from the GB has to be seen in context with their apostacy. Now they say Jesus has not arrived in 1919 and didnt arrive at all..they "leak" new light to see peoples reactions...they are clueless. If what they say is from HS and Jah,why would they leak this info to guage peoples reactions ? If its new light,then tell it and not be concerned about peoples reactions. THATS YOUR JOB !

    So instead of trying to understand what they are trying to say,we have to know they used to have Jahs HS...and now they dont. MANY annointed who are not part of the GB are trying to tell their anointed brothers in the GB something is wrong. Instead of listening,they beat their fellow slaves as Jesus predicted.

    What is the reason Jesus says that some anointed "beat" their fellow slaves ? It shows before he arrives that apostate anointed mistreat their fellow invited.

    We cannot "work out" their way of thinking. They are drunk with power...and you cannot reason with a drunk person...esp an apostate drunk who will do anything to keep their power.
     
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    Originally posted by Utuna

    Just my two cents worth here – I suppose it is an individual decision as to whether a person chooses to confront the elders with 'the truth about the truth.' Everyone's circumstances and their viewpoints are different.

    I knew of cases where members of the congregation had been disfellowshipped for speaking openly about the 1914 doctrine. Some of those people were elders. It didn't seem to matter that the elders had a position of oversight and responsibility within the congregation – that didn't seem to help them in presenting their case – and they were disfellowshipped like everyone else who questioned.

    The message that this sent to me was that the body of elders was not interested in seeking out a more accurate understanding of doctrine – they just wanted to hear that they weren't wrong. I'm pretty observant of the way people behave so I noticed that point.

    In deciding if I should speak to the elders about what I knew, I was conscious of that 'mind-set' and started mentally weighing up all of the factors involved. If I choose to confront the elders, what do I hope to achieve? What would the reason be for choosing that course?

    I felt that if I went in with the attitude of “I will set these brothers straight in their misguided ways – I'm gonna open their eyes†- personally I thought I would get nowhere fast. Because they don't want to hear that they are wrong. And the easiest way to solve that kind of problem is to remove you.

    Another reason might be that having this additional knowledge does bring 'side effects' – you learn something and you want to share it with others. I know that keeping quiet on this information can sure be a challenge. Perhaps some speak out because it becomes difficult to deal with that pressure. In my own personal case, I guess what saved me mentally, was that I was able to discuss this information with the people who had originally shared it with me and I had several opportunities to do this as I had frequent contact with them. However I recognise that not everyone is in this position to do so. (But these days, with the Internet, there are forums and discussion boards where people can have an opportunity to 'vent' if they need to, in order to cope. How glad I am that we have this forum to come to where we can encourage others and be encouraged ourselves!)

    As a personal choice, I prefer to use strategic thinking when making decisions, in any aspect of life. But that's just me – that's how the Wallflower brain is wired. So I like to weigh up the options first, consider the consequences of each option and then I make a choice.

    When I do speak out, I'll only have one opportunity, so I'll certainly want to be sure that I'll be taken seriously when I do. Certainly don't want to be wasting my breath. And, yes, I have a goal in mind.

    I have at times, spoken to brothers/sisters from other congregations regarding financial matters but the conversations get steered on to other subjects.

    Just my personal thoughts only.


    Wallflower
     
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    This just proves what the Harlot/GB is doing to keep her position..she is using "company men" who are elders to do her dirty work for her. So its happening to elders as well as anointed.

    This will get worse as many people see the blindness of the Harlot/GB. They will feel betrayed because you cant question while at the same time have been taught something thats not right. Cant we be like the Boreans ? Not if someone "at the top" wont let their power be undermined by people questioning BECAUSE they cant give an answer. It would be differant if the Harlot/GB could give a scriptural answer. BUT SHE CANT! She has become apostate.

    What lead to the GBs corruption ? the desire for power and to rule...as satan their father was corrupted by the same desire to rule.

    The ONLY reason the GB has its power is because they suposedly were/are the FDS in some form and give "truth" to the sheep.

    If they cant supply this because they are spiritually drunk /blind because they are apostate,then HOW can they give the other sheep any food ? Wont some of the sheep notice this and speak out ?

    Once their blindness is exposed,then the reason for the "position" is gone. So the Harlot/GB will do anything, using blind elders who also are allowing themselves to be like the Harlot...to accomplish Her wishes so she remains in power.
     

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