Dear all,

For a few hours, I'll be moving out from Robert's forum and moving in here... That's the only things that I'm gonna do here today and I do it because of the deadline that we all know. I'll be back soon !!! within about a fortnight, less I hope...

Here is my first post on Robert's forum and interestingly, it was never answered... lol I'm not desperate though...

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Dear brothers,

Last automn, I made research regarding the battle of Halys between Lydians and Medes. A solar eclipse occurred during the battle, the soldiers were so afraid that the war ceased instantly and the two kings decided to negociate a truce. The NASA website about solar eclipses gives precise maps and dates the solar eclipse passing across this region May 28th, -584 (585BCE).

What's interesting is that it is Nebuchadnezzar or/and one of his generals called Labynetus (or Nabonidus... according to a few documents) who led the truce negociations between Lydians and Medes. Jerusalem fell in 607BC according to the WT and 587BC according to the historians. After the fall of Jerusalem, Nebuchadnezzar set about the siege of Tyre, and it lasted 13 years. The Median king Cyaxares died shortly after that eclipse. Hence, if 587BC is correct, Nebuchadnezzar (Labynetus) was not far from the river Halys (East of Turkey) when he was called for the negociations. If 607BC is correct, the Tyre siege was over when the eclipse took place and Labynetus was called for the truce talks.

I'm looking for information about this short period. Just historical links between Tyre, Battle of Halys, Jerusalem, Nebuchadnezzar's whereabouts. If I can find a historic document stating that this battle took place while Nebuchadnezzar was besiegeing Tyre, I could find something interesting regarding this famous controversy 607/587.

Do you have any information, proof, objection that could help me ?

You're welcome !

g77 5/8 p.17
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...attle-of-Halys
http://www.answers.com/topic/battle-of-halys-585-bc
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse.html
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEhelp/dates.html

Your brother,

 

Hi Bro,
The date would be relevant if 1914 was the year the Kingdom is born. But its NOT. The "pangs of distress" which are supposedly the signs that happen on earth to mark an invisible heavenly event are in fact Birth pangs/labour pains. Many other translations use Birth pangs/labour pains. If you look at the original greek it confirms this. Birth pangs happen BEFORE a birth,not after. So the wrongly translated phrase causes confusion. The obsession over this date 607 is about its connection to 1914. But since Birth pangs/labour pains happen before the Kingdom is born,then the "signs" most consider to be happening CANNOT be about the Kingdoms birth...but pointing to its imminent birth. Anything to do with 1914 must be flawed,including when the 2460 days/years begin.

Maybe im getting of point a bit,but trying to confirm 607 is tied up with an event of the Kingdoms birth...and this hasnt happened yet.

 

I received last night a PM from Ann, who's not a member of this db or not a full-fledged one yet, in response to the issues broached in this thread.

Thank you very much Ann and if you choose to stay with us a bit longer, we'll be happy to welcome you !

As there is nothing personal or confidential in her PM, I'm gonna quote it in full.

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Hi Utuna,

I've just registered today and haven't yet been approved to respond on a thread. This was the one that caught my eye and was the reason for registering. PM will do just as well.

Have you resolved your question? You said: "If I can find a historic document stating that this battle took place while Nebuchadnezzar was besiegeing Tyre, I could find something interesting regarding this famous controversy 607/587."

Unfortunately, as far as I know, there is no independent link between Nebuchadnezzar's activities around Tyre and the battle described by Herodotus (the Thales eclipse). The portion of the Babylonian Chronicle dealing with that period (c. 585 BCE) is lost - it stops at Neb's 11th year. After that there's a bit on Neriglissar, then the well-known Nabonidus Chronicle which includes Cyrus' invasion. There is also an undated Babylonian text that lists the king of Tyre as one of those officials who was commanded to attend Neb's Court (Pritchard's ANET, p. 307-8), which must have been after Tyre capitulated to Neb.

Anyway, no 'magic bullet' on this one.

All the best with your research,
Ann

 

It matters for almost all Jehovah's Witnesses because without 607 there is no 1914.
But your right, for who knows that 1914 is not the year of the parousia, these dates are irrelevant.

 

I cannot work out wich is right..I did buy and read the book by that elder who supported the 587 date and thus disfellowshipped..I forget his name ...and not being into chronology I cannot work it out anyway.......It was one of the the hardest books to understand...very wordy and long and drawn out....it just left me as confused as when I read the first page.
These dates no longer worry me ...nor does 1914....Jesus didn't take control then..which I have always doubted since I was 21 anyway..and Satan wasn't thrown out then either which I always worked out anyway but had no scriptures to back up ...then....
All these things are becoming clearer with the passage of time....and will become clearer in the future...if we keep storing up treasures as far as the scriptures go..as one brother recently pointed out......by reading the scriptures...Jehovah will explain those treasures in due time...sometimes we find a gem in The scriptures but don't know what we have found..but know it is of some significance ....so we store it up....one day someone will say something....or Jehovahs spirit will eventually explain it to us...
I used to worry a lot about these things...but I am happy those days have passed for me...