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    Greetings, brother, and thank you for commenting. This is precisely why this forum exists. Through our exchange, we assist each other in furthering our knowledge of God's Word.

    Just as you, I had always believed the creation days of Genesis one were the creation of the physical world, up until the moment I didn't. You see, I've always kept in mind the understanding of confirmation bias and have always endeavored not to allow my own bias to stand in the way of truth. The sooner I can recognize I was wrong about something, the sooner I can discover the truth. And by all means, if I am wrong, I hope someone can point it out. Because I don't want to be right; I want truth...

    I might offer brother that once you see it, it's pretty easy to recognize. Each creation day brings about terminology that is then used in the biblical narrative.

    The Genesis account helps define the metaphors used throughout the prophetic works. The light that separates day from the darkness as an example. Pretty self-explanatory. (John 1) And since Jesus doesn't come to earth until the fourth day it was necessary to state He was in the beginning and was chosen before the founding of the world.

    No, I believe there is only one beginning, and that was after Adam and Eve sinned. The beginning is the first prophecy in Genesis 3:15.

    The first sentence of the Torah is just an overview of what is about to be discussed. Although it's served well over time to say "God created all things," as well...

    What I am presenting here is that Genesis chapter one is all after the fall of mankind, and none of it discusses the creation of anything physical in our universe.

    In that post, "40 Days," I do present some forty-year examples, but you are correct; that bit of information is speculation on my part. I cannot at this point prove the connect 100%. But as you know, many convictions are obtained through circumstantial evidence, without any physical evidence.

    There are hundreds of instances of the number forty throughout the inspired works and hundreds associated with days and years. And there are many with this theme of receiving God's Spirit, then working or fasting during a forty-day or year period before obtaining something, or a test.

    So although you are correct that my position is speculative, I back it up with a great deal of circumstantial evidence. ;)

    Again here, I am saying that Gen 1:1 and the beginning of heavens and earth were after the fall of man. Heaven was created at the flood to separate the spirit realm from the physical, and the earth was created in the promised land. Zion being the earth.

    Genesis 1:1 was just an overview of what God was about to discuss. However, again, it also served well to hide the prophetic nature of the creation account because obviously, God created everything in the universe as well...

    No, see, I am saying that man's creation on the sixth day hasn't happened yet and will happen in the future. What I am saying is Adam isn't created until chapter two. We live at the end of the sixth day when God will create man in His image when the priests are resurrected as angels and rule over the living creatures on earth. (Living creatures are those born again of Spirit, just as Adam and Jesus were born of Spirit.)

    It's my contention that the first moment anything is discussed as being created physically is Adam in chapter 2.

    As I said above, brother, it really isn't difficult to grasp because as you read through Scripture, you start to see the terminology used throughout the creation account everywhere. God used the creation account to build His narrative throughout all the inspired works.

    Yep... :)

    All love...

    Joshua
     
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    And our eyes are opened...

    So, rain represents the hearing of the words of God.

    "Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth a and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth." Gen 2:5

    The first time it rained was at the flood, and the vegetation that grew are those from Abraham to David who came to the knowledge of the Father.

    As I said above, Adam was created before any of the creation days, as the creation days didn't come until after he had sinned. Hence why there was no vegetation or rain. There was no Word of God at that time, and not till Moses did man have God's Word.

    "It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned." Hen 6:4-8

    "These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead." Jude 1:12

    This is the meaning of the rain that the two witnesses stop in the time of the end.

    "They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want." Rev 11:6

    (1260 Days/42 Months)

    "Elijah was a human being, even as we are. He prayed earnestly that it would not rain, and it did not rain on the land for three and a half years." Jms 5:17

    "“The days are coming,” declares the Sovereign LORD, “when I will send a famine through the land— not a famine of food or a thirst for water, but a famine of hearing the words of the LORD." AM 8:11

    "Jesus replied, “Elijah is indeed coming first to get everything ready." Mth 17:11
     
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    So if Adam & Eve had not sinned then Genesis 1 would not apply? Is that what you are suggesting?
     
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    If Adam and Eve would not have sinned there would not have been Gen 3:15. There would have been no darkness to need the light...
     
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    Yes no need for the Sacred Secret if no sin. What I’m asking is this. Your thesis states that Gen 1 is not about a physical creative timeline, that it starts at Gen 3:15 due to the sin. Had they not sinned then Gen 1 would not be in the Bible?
     
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    Greetings brother, thank you for the question...

    Without sin, there would have been no Bible.

    The Word is the light of the world to separate the day from the darkness.

    "In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it." Jhn 1:4,5

    The Word is the lamp in the Holy Place that lights the path for the priests. It guides us through the darkness of sin.

    "Your word is a lamp for my feet, a light on my path." Psm 119:105

    Without sin, there would have been no darkness and no Bible. Therefore yes, without sin there would have been no Gen 1.

    Hope that answers it. :)

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    Hello, I have a few more for ya. As I said before I’m not onboard with this yet but I’m willing to play the advocate if it helps your efforts.

    The following scripture is Jehovah speaking to Moses in the past tense referring to the Sabbath as a long lasting sign between him and the Israelites, he says to Moses that “It is an enduring sign between me and the people of Israel, for in six days Jehovah made the heavens and the earth and on the seventh day he rested and refreshed himself.’” Ex 31:17

    Notice that he is speaking in past tense, so he himself is saying that he has rested. That the six creative days occurred, and it was now time to stop and refresh himself. This seems to contradict your thesis.

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    Your thesis states that day 7, or Gods day of rest, doesn’t begin until 2035, which means God is still in his creative work days. However you used a scripture from Hebrews that states that God has indeed begun his rest. Which is it?

    “For the man who has entered into God’s rest has also rested from his own works, just as God did from his own.” Heb 4:10

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    Under “Day 7(2035-3035)” You use Gen 2:1-3 as a reference to Gods Kingdom being established, but according to your thesis the beginning was Gen 3:15, not Gen 2:1-3

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    Assuming that Adam was 40 years old when Eve was born the question remains, how long were they together before the sin? Your chronology is based on an assumption of 40 years old and immediately falling into sin, however we simply don’t know how long it was from the time Eve was created until she sinned. There is inconclusive evidence which limits your ability to establish it as truth.

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    Lastly, the concept of the very first chapter in the Bible being a blueprint, or seeing stone of sorts, of the rest of the scriptures is quite interesting. You have made a fairly good case for it in my opinion, although there are many things I’m not certain of, possibly just don’t understand how you are seeing it in your mind. These things are difficult to explain to others when sometimes they are so clear to the one with the idea.
     
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    You bet, brother, and I very much appreciate it...

    You are a very astute observer, brother. This is one of the very first things that crossed my mind, "but what about the seventh day?"

    Immediately the next thing that came to mind was,

    "So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” Jhn 5:15-17

    So, if Jehovah is still working, then we go back to the scripture you mention. And low and behold, that scripture is an example of doctrinal interpretation. It represents confirmation bias that the seventh day began in the past, but that's not what the original Hebrews is saying. The past tense is added because the translator thinks the seventh day is past tense.

    The scripture should read, "and on the seventh day He shall rest and breath."

    We know this because God says the same exact thing here,

    "Six days you shall do your work, but on the seventh day you shall rest; that your ox and your donkey may have rest, and the son of your servant woman, and the alien, may be refreshed." Ex 23:12

    That is the same exact word used in the scripture you quoted,

    "It is an enduring sign between me and the people of Israel, for in six days Jehovah made the heavens and the earth and on the seventh day he rested and refreshed himself.’” Ex 31:17

    Rest - shabath - to cease, desist, rest

    In Ex 23:12 God is clearly telling the Israelites they "shall rest" on the seventh day, but yet we translate His exact same statement at Ex 31:17 as rested as in past tense?

    Rather, Ex 31:17 is simply telling us Jehovah will rest on the seventh day, just as He told the Israelites they shall rest.

    And this is why the Father is still working, just as Jesus said in John 5:17.

    Again very astute brother, so awesome to see someone who obviously has Jehovah's Spirit.

    Again that scripture is an example of doctrinal inference. And that one should stand out right away to you. The translator changes the context from speaking about people who would enter the rest in the future to talking about a rest God had in the past. Rather, the context must remain with the writer, and it must remain consistent.

    The Greek word used in Hebrews 4:10 is,

    Rest - katapauó - (a) trans: I cause to rest, bring to rest; I cause to refrain, (b) intrans: I rest.

    It simply means rests.

    So a proper translation would read,

    "For the man who has entered into God’s rest has also rested from his own works, just as God rests from his own.” Heb 4:10

    This makes more sense and allows the context to remain all in the same period, and no time change is needed.

    Obviously, thinking the seventh day had already occurred influenced our translations.

    As you said, "this is digging a new hole." And I would say we are not just digging a new hole, but digging out of a hole that had been improperly filled in.

    The beginning of Gen 3:15 is the separation of light from the darkness, not the beginning of the kingdom.

    "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring a and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.” Gen 3:15

    In the beginning, creating heaven and earth is the plan to do away with darkness through the light, Jesus. And that is why on the first day YHWH chose Jesus as the light.

    The kingdom doesn't come until the rest day, the 7th.

    The beginning is the plan to end the darkness as outlined in Gen 3:15.

    That's an interesting question...

    If I'm correct, then yes, it would assume Eve was deceived immediately. However, this actually doesn't seem implausible; after all, in the narrative, Adam hadn't even had relations with her yet, and that isn't even until chapter four. Why mention it if it wasn't the first time? And as we know, they hadn't had children yet.

    So yes, as you say, I can't at the moment connect 40 years directly to Adam's age at Eve's creation, but I still believe there is enough circumstantial evidence to get a conviction on this matter. ;)

    To me, it's always been about seeing the Bible as God intended it to be. So when God's Word speaks of darkness, or the waters and seas of mankind, or the vegetation throughout prophecy, there were always questions to exactly what was being said. However, given the first chapter of the Bible is the thesaurus for all the inspired works, then our eyes are opened.

    Confirmation bias stands in our way sometimes of getting to the truth. How many people do you know that refuse to accept new information if it contradicts what they already understand? Many, of course... But what it does is keeps them from exploring new information to either confirm what they already believe or to accept the new information. After all, how do you know you have truth without exploring the contradictory information?

    What I do know is this: You are asking the same exact questions I had to ask myself. You are traveling the same road I did...

    All love, brother...

    Joshua

    PS: And this also explains why Jehovah "breaths" on the seventh day. Jehovah doesn't need to take a breath as in exhaustion; He breaths because that is the breath of life. Just as Adam received the breath of life, so will those resurrected in the seventh-day rest.
     
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    I'm sure Jehovah is always working, to think that he stops would be naive. However, in regards to his creative works, there is a big difference. Combining his creative works with all his works is not an accurate way to view what the scriptures are saying. For example we obviously exist. The earth exists, animals and plants exist, the universe in general exists because of Jehovahs creative works. This is undeniable.

    To say that Genesis 1 didn't happen is to deny the very nature of reality around you.

    It seems contradictory to think that God is resting and yet he is still working, unless it is clear what he is resting from. His creative works.

    “. . .For in six days Jehovah made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and he proceeded to rest on the seventh day. That is why Jehovah blessed the sabbath day and proceeded to make it sacred.” Ex 20:11
    Paul also clarifies this as well when he states:
    “. . .For we who have exercised faith do enter into the rest, just as he has said: “So I swore in my anger, ‘They shall not enter into my rest,’” although his works were finished from the founding of the world.” Heb 4:3
    What works were finished? Although God keeps working as we know, what did he complete that he was working on?


    I understand you're proposing that Gen 3:15 is the beginning. But my question alluded to Gen 2:1 which you referenced under Day 7-Gods Kingdom. There is a contradiction here which you haven't reconciled yet. Does Gen 2:1 refer to the beginning of Gods Kingdom prior to the sin, and if so, shouldn't that be the "in the beginning" part of your thesis instead of Gen 3:15? Why did you use that scripture as a reference if you think it should be Gen 3:15?

    Is it possible that you yourself are falling under this same bias when it comes to your thesis?
     
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    Hey there is other people on this forum...was beginning to wonder.

    Yes Regent, Joshua referenced that scripture in post 17 already. We are working on the contradictions that his thesis presents to see if we can work through them. The questions you replied to, that I asked Joshua, are still unresolved.
     
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    Greetings brother... :)

    Oh, I understand what you're saying now. And yes I shouldn't have included Gen 2:1 in that post, it should only be Gen 2:2,3.

    My bad, you are correct... (It's fixed now, thank you for correcting me)

    In the beginning of Gen 2:1 is Gen 3:15, and the seventh-day rest of Gen 2:2,3 isn't until six thousand years later.

    We want to keep ourselves out of the loop, right? So what works can Jesus be talking about? All of them obviously, including the giving of life when He resurrected Jesus Himself. He created Jesus in the womb of Mary and then physically created Him as a Spirit being once again.

    So you can’t say Jehovah rested from creating physical things because you have to ask yourself, “Did He really?”

    I’m not saying God didn’t create the universe; I’m just saying Gen 1 isn’t describing how He did it. But it's obvious He used these creation days to hide His plan to end darkness; because, after all, He did create the physical universe as well. But it likely was billions of years brother.

    Again, how can God be resting from His creative works if He created Jesus after His death? Jesus even created wine from water and bread and fish. He created life from death in resurrections. Were these not physical creations? How could Jehovah have rested from creating physical things if we know He created physical things after?

    Trust me, brother, I had all these same questions, and had to reconcile them. There can be only one answer.

    Here is Young’s Literal Translation brother,

    “For six days hath Jehovah made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and resteth in the seventh day; therefore hath Jehovah blessed the Sabbath-day, and doth sanctify it.” Ex 20:11 (YLT)

    It doesn’t have to be read as Jehovah rested in the past. It simply says He created these things and then rests on the seventh. The past tense is added by the translator.

    That Hebrew word for made is,

    Made - asah - do, make

    It can simply mean makes. “In six days, Jehovah makes heavens and earth.”

    If these verses can be translated both as Jehovah rested and rests, or He made or makes, they can’t be used to prove to you one way or the other. You'll have to look at the big picture. The metaphors used within each creation day and the narrative of the time period it discusses.

    This scripture you shared shows the rest is still yet future. Why separate them into two rests? Jehovah’s rest is our rest; there aren’t two. You have Jehovah saying they won’t enter His rest, and then go on to saying He already rested. You have to ask yourself why there is a contradiction there. Why would Jehovah say they wouldn't enter His rest if it was already past?

    There are no contradictions in scripture, anywhere. This I've come to know for a certainty.

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    The foundation of the world was the birth of Cain and Able. The works that were done/born before Cain and Ables’s birth was Gen 3:15. The world is the people,

    "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one," Mth 13:38

    "He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him." Jhn 1:10

    The kingdom was prepared before the founding of the world, so obviously that doesn't mean before the creation of the earth because mankind hadn't sinned yet.

    "Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world." Mth 25:34

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    Look at Jesus’ words,

    “All these things Jesus said to the crowds in parables; indeed, he said nothing to them without a parable. This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet: “I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter what has been hidden since the foundation of the world.” Mth 13:34,35

    So is Jesus saying these things were hidden since God created the universe? How does that make any sense? No, He’s saying the parables He's using were hidden in the creation days. That’s what was hidden. He's talking about what we are discussing right here and now. This is why He used the words of the creation days in His parables like, "light, vegetation and seed, earth, waters" and so on. He's saying His parables were hidden in the creation days.

    Jesus confirms what I have presented here, in His own words.

    What was finished/born was the hidden plan in the creation days to bring about the end of darkness just as Jesus tells us.

    The word used in Heb 4:3 that is translated as "finished" is,

    ginomai - to come into being, to happen, to become / Usage: I come into being, am born, become, come about, happen.

    So this scripture should be translated, "the works that have been born from the founding of the world."

    The works weren't finished as in done and over; they were born in the beginning.

    I am 100% convinced at this point and have already moved on to applying this view to the entirety of scripture, and have already begun my second book grounded in this understanding.

    All love brother,

    Joshua

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    Thank you for contributing Regent. :)
     
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    Ok then...very good. I am certainly not one to dissuade you in your endeavor. I am intrigued by the notion of Gen 1 being a seeing stone, or thesaurus, as you called it, of a greater message within the scriptures. I am not certain as to why you don't think that it could be both, the actual description of creation AND a key to understanding the deeper things God has hidden within the scriptures. It certainly is not beyond Gods ability to kill two birds with one stone. I don't necessarily think that it is a key yet, but I'm certain that you do, and I'm curious why you don't consider that possibility, as I haven't heard you mention it yet.

    I wasn't trying to correct you, just trying to understand why you used Gen 2:1, and I'm still not certain as to why. That seems to be a crucial part of consideration when you felt it necessary to use. You were compelled to place it in your account for a reason, and I think it's important that we analyze that.

    Why did you use it in the first place?


    Ok, thank you for defining that for me. Now I can see how you are perceiving it. You are interpreting "founding of the world" to be the founding of people. Nowwwww I see what you are getting at. Phew, that was an important piece I hadn't seen you mention yet, or if you had I missed it. Understanding what the other means when talking about a word, or phrase, is crucial to asking the right questions.


    “. . .For we who have exercised faith do enter into the rest, just as he has said: “So I swore in my anger, ‘They shall not enter into my rest,’” although his works were finished from the founding of the world.” Heb4:3

    Yes I agree, there is only one rest. We are deliberating on if that rest is current, or future, and I do see how you a perceiving it. It is a matter of perspective I suppose whether Paul was referring to a current and ongoing rest, as opposed to a future rest that hasn't begun yet.

    If I am resting, and I want you to join me, then it could be said that you enter into my rest. However, if I don't want you to join me, I won't let you. But I'm still resting, with or without you. Thats how I see this scripture.

    You see it as, you will rest in the future, and if I want to join then I can. However, if you don't want me join you I can't.

    So when we are discussing Gods rest as Paul was, we need to determine if the rest at Gen 2:2 had begun yet. Your thesis requires that it hasn't started, yet Paul said that those who exercise faith 'do' enter it, as in it is ongoing from when it began. If Gods rest had not started then it would have to say " 'will' enter into the rest'.

    Thats just how I read it.

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    Based on what I have read, you have presented an excellent argument Joshua, there is no doubt about that. Your zeal, and enthusiasm for Gods word is refreshing, although at times I can see how others might feel it is over bearing. I feel it's important to explore new avenues as you have done to see if they lead to some good undiscovered places. However I also feel that exploring too far can have disastrous consequences for the traveler indeed, for they may get lost. I don't want you to get lost, so please be cautious on the path you have committed yourself to, and allow yourself to consider, even if it's only a small crumb to leave a trail back, that you may be wrong.

    Having entertained the perspective you have presented to us, from what I can see it seems that there are two important questions to be answered. If these two questions cannot be answered then it is possible the path you are taking may not bear the fruitage you seek.

    1. When did the Kingdom of God begin?
    2. Will Adam & Eve be resurrected?
     
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    It was just a mistake in copy and pasting. I had already determined the beginning of Gen 2:1 was Gen 3:15, but accidentally included verse one in that post. The post was about verses 2-3.

    So, it was simply a copy and paste error.

    Because it seems likely each creation day is the same length, including the 7th.

    Let me give this question further thought today. I want to start from the beginning again and work through it. The answer to your question is there, and I'll find it...
     
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    I suppose this is my fault not being as precise in my questions. I don't mean only Gen 2:1, I meant the entire reference that you made here above. Gen 2:2-3 as well.

    What work did he finish? You yourself are saying it in the title, Gods Kingdom. If Gods work of creating his Kingdom was finished, when did it start?
     
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    Oh, I see what you're asking now...

    His work spans the entire six thousand years. His six days of work are done when the sixth day ends. He's still working during those six thousand years and doesn't rest until the sixth day is over. The rest is His kingdom for the last 1000 years.

    His work is from Gen 3:15 to the day 6000 years end.

    Did I answer it now?
     
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    It seems everything but...lol.


    1. When did Gods Kingdom start?
    2. Will Adam & Eve be resurrected?
    3. What was completed at Gen 2:1-3?
     
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    God's kingdom hasn't started yet, it doesn't start until the seventh day. Once the sixth day ends, the seventh begins. And that is God's rest day and kingdom.

    I don't find anything in the narrative to say they will or won't. Therefore I can't make a judgement on that.

    Nothing was completed at Gen 2:1, that was only the beginning. The beginning is only the plan at Gen 3:15. It is the beginning of the work.

    Gen 2:2,3 is completed at the end of the sixth day. Jehovah keeps working during the six thousand years to bring about His kingdom at the seventh. On the seventh day, God rests from all His work during the last six thousand years.

    Does that help?
     
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    PS: I've found the answer I promised you.

    Hebrews tells us Joshua didn't lead the people into God's rest, even though they entered the promised land. And Heb also tells us that the rest that is still future is the seventh-day rest of God from Gen 2. He's saying that the people's rest is the same as God's seventh-day rest. What I'm about to show you is absolute proof.

    Let's start here,

    "And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed? So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief." Heb 3:18,19

    The writer of Heb is setting up the discussion here by saying the Israelites were unable to enter God's rest. That's the gist of what he's saying.

    Then the writer says the promise to enter God's rest still stands,

    "Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it." Heb 4:1

    Then the writer tells us we must have faith to enter God's rest,

    "Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said, “So I declared on oath in my anger, ‘They shall never enter my rest.'" Heb 4:3a

    Now the writer says,

    "although his works were finished (born) from the foundation of the world. " Heb 4:3b

    The question here is, is the translator right in saying finished as in completed, or am I right that His works were born, as in began?

    The Greek used here for "finished" only means "born," because there is actually a Greek word that means completed.

    Completed - teleó - to bring to an end, complete, fulfill

    Here's a scripture that uses finished (teleó), meaning finished as in completed,

    "After this, Jesus, knowing that all was now finished, said (to fulfill the Scripture), “I thirst.” Jhn 19:28

    Yet Hebrews 4:3 doesn't use this word, it uses,

    Born - ginomai - to come into being, to happen, to become Usage: I come into being, am born, become, come about, happen.

    It means came into being. It doesn't mean completed at all. So I am right and the translators are wrong, and they are applying something it doesn't mean because they believe the creation days were already completed six thousand years ago.

    That right there is proof, but I have the final piece of the puzzle ahead because of what the writer tells us as we move forward.

    "For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested (rests) on the seventh day from all his works.” Heb 4:4

    Right there, Hebrews ties the "seventh day" in with the rest the people would enter.

    Look,

    "And again in this passage he said, “They shall not enter my rest.” Heb 4:5

    Now let me put verses 4 and 5 back together,

    "For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested (rests) on the seventh day from all his works. And again in this passage he said, “They shall not enter my rest.” Heb 4:4,5

    The seventh day that God rests on in Gen 2:2 is the same exact day the Israelites were not going to enter, and is still future. Think about that...

    We know the promised land Joshua led them to wasn't the rest, and we know the rest is still future, and now we know the seventh day that God rested/rests in Gen 2 is the same day in the future we will rest!

    Mic drop.... ;)

    Again the writer reminds us that invitation to enter God's rest still remains,

    "Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted, “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts." Heb 4:6,7

    Which means they didn't enter His rest when entering the promised land. So that means God wasn't resting either.

    "For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested (rests) from his works as God did (does) from his." Heb 4:8,9

    And the point of the writer saying this is, the seventh day is the same day the people rest, which is God's seventh-day rest of Gen 2.

    Feel free to continue to ask me about the questions you have, though, so I can assist. Because even if you still have questions, it forces me to go back through the material, and I find new confirmations just like this post.

    All love brother...

    "Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience." Heb 4:11

    Joshua

    PS: You said once that people might take me as forceful. I understand that, but I'm glad you see that it's actually from my love of God's Word. I try to write as sensitively as I can, but the written word is difficult to get feelings across. I assure you that even when I'm very forward, it's out of love...lol

    If you've ever seen one of my videos, I'm not that forceful in person, am I? ;)
     

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